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http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/120004-Murray-Interview-amp-Documentary-Full-Transcripts-so-you-don-t-have-to-watch-it?p=3533716#post3533716http://www.twitlonger.com/show/e3uvkaSteve Hewlett Interview with Dr. Murray for UK Channel 4Steve: Did Michael Jackson at any point ask you to give him Propofol?
Murray: (thinks a while) Yes
Steve: And as his doctor what was your medical opinion? It was justified generally or not justified?
Murray: I did not recommend it.
Steve: As I understand it the use of Propofol was.. your use of Propofol for him as your patient became common place.
Murray: Not in that sense. If Propofol.. I would have never recommended it. I would never have recommended Propofol to Mr. Jackson
Steve: So as a doctor if a patient demands something and you don't recommend it. In your medical opinion it's not justified are you going to give it to him?
Murray: No
Steve: Then why did you?
Murray: Well I did not give him something, I met him with something. And I felt by meeting him with such an agent on his own, he needed to get rid of it and try to resume a more normal state of sleep.
Steve: But you were using Propofol. I read that you bought 4 gallons of it.
Murray: Well you know that was sensanalization . Whether or not they want to call it 4 gallons , 55 gallons...
Steve: But you did buy some Propofol
Murray: Yes I did
Steve: mostly to use with him
Murray: Yes I did
Steve: So then you are supplying a substance to him which you think in medical terms not warranted.
Murray: Well he has an issue and I will use a scenario and you have to look at this again. If I came to your house and you were a friend of mine unexpectedly I saw you with a gun in your hand. I can do one of two things and maybe succeed. I can tell you to stop it and you may listen to me or I may take hours to get you to hand over that gun. Okay? So I would say basically it took me a while to take away from Michael something I thought he should not use.
Steve: So you say you were working with him to get him off it
Murray: Yes that's basically it.
Steve: You described Michael as drug seeking as suffering from some form of dependency that you found multiple IV sites and poor veins structure.
Murray: In the course of ??? IV in him, I felt that his veins were horrific. They were very cordlike and they were like spider webs. And I said to Michael "the only time I have seen this type of vein appearance in a patient is people that are drug users, drug abusers and his response in a very childish voice which I can clearly imitate but I choose to not do that "really?" and I said "yes" and that was the end of that. He would not account for that.
(voice over) about phone calls
Murray: In my interview I said at least 10:40. 10:30 we were beyond that and at that time he pleaded for milk. In consideration to giving him that I had to get appropriate medication, get the syringes, and prepare it so he really got Propofol around 10:50. So here's Mr. Jackson. he gets an injection of Propofol which is 25 mg, that's it.
Steve: In the initial statement you said you gave Michael propofol, watched him until you were comfortable and then left the room for 2 minutes to visit the restroom and when you came back Michael was in some form of distress. That time frame doesn't make sense because you were on the phone talking to various people for something like 45 - 50 minutes.
Murray: I would say.. This is what I can tell you I have done. So he got medicine around 10:50, he drifted into sleep around 5 minutes, I sat there. As I said in my statement I waited as long as I felt, I was comfortable that the effects of the medicine Propofol was gone.
Steve: And then you left the room?
Murray: how long was that? Normally Propofol would last about .. the effect on the end organ.. the sleep state.. would be gone in 10 minutes. I sat there for at least 30 minutes. If you look at the calls as they are coming through. The very first call came from my daughter. I did not even pick it up.
Steve: but you were out a lot more than 2 minutes?
Murray: No I'm still at the bedside.
Steve: Taking calls at the bedside?
Murray: Let me clarify for you. After giving him Propofol I sat there long enough with Mr. Jackson looking at him , checking his vital signs , checking his oximeter, making sure that his pulse is fine, making sure he was asleep and he was asleep but as deep as normally he would sleep because he was not snoring. And then by 11:20 -11:25 I decided well look if the calls are going to start calling and I need to call .. He’s not comfortable, the effects of Propofol is more than 20 minutes gone...
Steve: but the point is this you never mentioned the phone calls to the police
Murray: They didn't ask me.
Steve: but you are supposed to.. you're telling them what's happening.
Murray: Listen to me. I sat there and we never interrupted the police, we never told them what they could ask , what they could not ask. They never asked me the question. I did not think it was important.
Steve: Let me ask you the question what do you think happened? It has been speculated that Mr. Jackson has swallowed lots of Propofol but that's now been discounted. It has been suggested by some people that you hooked him up to a drip and as a longer term infusion of Propofol he ended up with poisonous concentration of Propofol in his blood. There's another suggestion that he may have medicated himself. What do you think happened?
Murray: I cannot answer your questions. I mean you ask so many things that requires a story on its own. I think first of all let's go back to 11:20 when I left his side because when I left his side the effects of the Propofol was gone. I went to the adjacent.. Mr. Jackson was in the master room that was comparted .. Separated into 5 compartments or chambers. I was in the chamber that was right adjacent to where he was, feeling that at least he got up or he called for me I would hear him. I then conducted phone calls right in the bedroom next door because I did not want to disturb his sleep. At the end of my conversations or tehreabout with the last phonecall I was making rather than going back to him right away I thought to go ahead to the farthest , the distant chamber to urinate. That I did. And that's when I talk about 2 minutes. I went to the very very last chamber to urinate and then came back. But all of the time I was in the adjacent room I felt I was close to Mr. Jackson. Does that help you?
Steve: It does. Do you understand why people think that you are culpable here? On the face of it there are no medical notes, it's not appropriate to use Propofol at home, you have no ??? systems, there was no CPR board that you could do comprehensions on, there was no mention of Propofol to the paramedics or doctor in the hospital. It does look like a catalog of errors on your part.
Murray: Let me ask you a question. You can call it a catalog or any term you'd like but I'll ask you this. What does this culpable mean and culpable of what?
Steve: Because you are a doctor.
Murray: Am I culpable of being a doctor?
Steve: No because you are a doctor you are culpable.
Murray: Culpable of what?
Steve: because we expect standards of practices, we expect good, we expect high standards from doctors. That’s why they are certified.
Murray: I think my standards have been impeccable. Now if you tell me Dr. Murray it's was really stupid a careless thing you should had notes, I would say you know what I agree. If you tell me I'm culpable I want to know what is culpability. Are you saying because I did not have any medical notes was responsible for his death?
Steve: No but the absence of medical notes makes it very hard to get to the bottom of what indeed did happen. That's the whole point of medical notes. You record as you go. You are the doctor.
Murray: It was not.. I always write notes. The setting in which I was didn't give me the opportunity to do it and clearly I did not. Was this a mistake on my part? Absolutely. But the absence of notes was not responsible for his death.
Steve: It does look like for $150,000 a month you essentially did whatever Michael Jackson asked you. Less doctor more supplier.
Murray: I am in no way any of which you have just mentioned. And $150,000 you mention, guess what I'm yet to receive a dime of it.
Steve: Do you accept that it looks staggeringly incompetent at least?
Murray: Then you know what I would say probably for doctors that write incomplete notes.. Doctors don’t write notes or that write incomplete notes that includes me, you know what you just included the 90% world's population of doctors.
Steve: let me ask you one more question
Murray: I have to stop.
Steve: Let me ask you this. I read in an article that you said to a journalist "If I simply tell the truth I would be exonerated" . Why have you not taken the stand?
Murray: I did not tell that to a journalist.
Steve: It's from Daily Beast.
Murray: Daily Beast?
Steve: You say "If I simply tell the truth I will be exonerated"
Murray: You read the Daily Beast?
Steve: I do.
Murray: Really?
Steve: with hindsight would you have done anything different?
Murray: Part 2
(Murray gets up and leaves)
