MJ~Leben u. Sterben~u das Geschehen danach!

@FaIrIeFlOwEr

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Will Conrad Murray Testify in Michael Jackson Trial?



The defense team of Dr. Conrad Murray will soon decide whether Murray will take the stand to testify in the involentary manslaughter trial of Michael Jackson.

According to Reuters, lawyers for Dr. Conrad Murray have to decide whether to allow Murray to take the stand in his own defense after their attempt to prove that Michael Jackson self administered the lethal dose of Propofol failed to raise resonable doubt.

As Reuters reveals, putting Conrad Murray on the stand is a risky move, especially if Murray can't explain why he didn't have the equipment on hand to save the life of Michael Jackson. As well, the report adds that Murray could find himself challenged if he can't explain why he didn't reveal the drugs used to treat Michael Jackson immediately following the singer's death.

Mark McBride, a Beverly Hills defense attorney, explained to Reuters that allowing Conrad Murray to testify is not something he would advise if Murray was his client. "If I was defending," McBride told the wire, "I would not put Murray on the witness stand. I think he would just get hammered."

Another legal expert and former federal prosecutor told Reuters that the only good reason to let Conrad Murray testify was if he genuinely appeared sincere to the jury.

Do you think Conrad Murray should take the stand and testify in his own defense?

http://www.thedeadbolt.com/news/1001563/will_conrad_murray_testify_in_michael_jackson_trial.php (Archiv-Version vom 17.10.2011)

wir könnten auch in die USA reisen, um Cirque du Soleil's Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour
anzuschauen ... :D :D :D

Cirque du Soleil's $60M tribute to The Gloved One 'a natural fit'

By Ted Shaw, The Windsor Star October 15, 2011 2:58 PM


Michael Jackson's voice, dance moves and spirit shine through in Cirque du Soleil's new production Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour, today at 8 p.m. at Detroit's Joe Louis Arena for one show.
Photograph by: Courtesy, Cirque du Soleil

The matchmaker in the sky scored a coup when he got Michael Jackson and Cirque du Soleil together.

Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour pairs the music of the greatest entertainer of his generation with the genius of Montreal's Cirque du Soleil. The dazzling two-hour arena show comes to Detroit's Joe Louis Arena tonight at 8 p.m. for one night only.

Combining elements of a Michael Jackson concert with Cirque's famous acrobatics and choreography, the $60-million extravaganza promises to live up to the Jackson legacy.

"It's a natural fit," said Cirque spokesman Maxime Charbonneau. "But that doesn't mean it wasn't a huge challenge. Let's be honest. We have to do credit to the memory of Michael Jackson and there are millions of people who will be judging us."

The show is one of the biggest and most elaborate ever undertaken by the Montreal entertainment company. It moves from city to city across North America in 40 transport trucks, and features 25 dancers, 25 acrobats and a band of 12 musicians.

The band is directed by Greg Phillinganes, a Detroit native who worked with Jackson on the Bad and Dangerous tours along with the 30th anniversary special at Madison Square Garden in New York City.

There are five members of the band who toured regularly with Jackson. The show itself has the Jackson family stamped all over it.

Every song, every dance move, every image in the show had to be approved by the Michael Jackson estate.

"The show is driven by Michael's voice," said Charbonneau. "It's everything he would have liked to create himself."

Jackson was an avid Cirque fan. He saw his first Cirque performance in Santa Monica, Calif., in 1988, and took in dozens of performances over the years. He attended Cirque shows in Las Vegas many times, said Charbonneau.

He also visited the Montreal headquarters of Cirque to see a show in preparation.

"Cirque du Soleil to Michael Jackson was all magic and beauty. It was a whimsical dream."

Show designer Chantal Tremblay and director Jamie King have stayed true to the singer's legacy, Charbonneau said.

"How can you redo Thriller? How can you change Bad? You'll find Jackson's signature in every aspect of the show. The only thing missing is Michael himself."

That means the dancers perform all those iconic moves, like the moonwalk, the toe lean and the infamous crotch-grab.

"All the essential elements are there," Charbonneau said. There are snippets from more than 60 Michael Jackson songs, most of them familiar. But there are some surprises, too.

"The show opens with Childhood, which is a song many people won't associate with Michael. But the songs people know best are there, too. When the first few notes of Smooth Criminal are heard, the audience goes crazy."

Cirque du Soleil has had success using source material for two of its Vegas shows - The Beatles Love and Viva Elvis. With Michael Jackson, it completes the Holy Trinity of late 20th century popular culture.

"We worked closely with Michael's family," said Charbonneau, "so there was a need to get it right."

When the show premiered in Montreal earlier this month, several members of the Jackson family were in attendance, including his mother and three of his brothers.

"The family was extremely moved by what they saw," said Charbonneau.

Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour arrives in Detroit after stops in Ottawa and Hamilton. It moves on to London's John Labatt Centre for shows Tuesday and Wednesday. There are 47 cities on the tour so far, with more to be added later.

Plans call for touring the arena version for two years in North America, then moving to Europe and Asia. A Las Vegas theatrical version is also in the works for the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in 2013.

Sony Music, Jackson's record label, is also planning to produce an album and DVD of the show.

tshaw@windsorstar.com or 519-2556849

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The Immortal World Tour has one performance at Detroit's Joe Louis Arena, tonight at 8 p.m. Tickets are US$63.70 to $191.55, including fees and taxes. If you miss the Detroit show, the tour moves to London's John Labatt Centre on Tuesday and Wednesday, both at 8 p.m. Tickets are $51.75$176.75. Tickets to either venue are available at ticketmaster.com.
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Read more: http://www.windsorstar.com/entertainment/Cirque+Soleil+tribute+Gloved+natural/5555094/story.html#ixzz1ashbImF3

die sind doch knuffig ... :D :D :D

Our #1 MJJPhotos Question: Can you recognize these babies? (Clue: All of them are Jackson 5 members lol haha) Name these babies from left to right. :)

http://twitpic.com/39fr7m


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Tito, MJ, Marlon, Jackie and Jermaine

FaIrIeFlOwEr schrieb:die sind doch knuffig ... :D :D :D

Joooo die sind knuffig :D :D

FaIrIeFlOwEr schrieb:wir könnten auch in die USA reisen, um Cirque du Soleil's Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour
anzuschauen ... :D :D :D

Das könnten wir :D :D ....... aber ich warte bis sie bei uns sind ........ dann sehen wir uns das an ok ??

@FaIrIeFlOwEr

Ich geh dann mal wünsch dir eine träum was schönes :D :D

@ghost777

ghost777 schrieb:aber ich warte bis sie bei uns sind ........ dann sehen wir uns das an ok ??

ist ok ... es wird ja auch schwierig sich für die richtige Stadt zu entscheiden ..

Detroit danach in Ottawa und Hamilton und 47 anderen Städten ...

@ghost777


Danke, wünsch ich dir auch ... gute Nacht, schlaf schön ... bis morgen ... :D

Jackson's dermatologist says Murray fallout hurts
Published: Saturday, Oct. 15, 2011 8:25 a.m. MDT

By Lynn Elber, Associated Press


In this Sept. 22, 2011 photo, dermatologist Arnold Klein poses for a portrait in his office in Beverly Hills, Calif. Klein, a celebrity dermatologist who counted Michael Jackson among his patients and called him his “best friend,” said he’s been hurt by fallout from the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray for Jackson’s death. (Matt Sayles)

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. — Dr. Arnold Klein hovers over a 50-year-old woman, a syringe filled with the promise of youth in hand and a look of concentration on his face. At this moment he appears a contented man.

"Put me next to a patient, give me a needle and I'm really happy," he says. But all is not perfection for the dermatologist to the stars.

Klein and Conrad Murray were Michael Jackson's key physicians during the pop star's final weeks in June 2009. Murray is on trial for involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's drug-related death, while Klein, who treated Jackson for more than 25 years and called him "my best friend," was cleared of any wrongdoing by authorities.

Murray's defense team, however, is making Klein a part of the trial, claiming he fostered the singer's addiction to a medication, Demerol, and that it played a part in his death. No Demerol was found in Jackson's body.

The allegations, denied by Klein's attorney, reverberate painfully for the 66-year-old doctor whose patient list has boasted Elizabeth Taylor, Dolly Parton, Carrie Fisher and many more celebrities.

"I see stuff on the Internet and it hurts, because I don't like to be called a bad doctor," Klein said, referring to online news and chatter about the trial that enters its fourth week Monday.

"All I'm trying to do is be the best doctor I can," added the intense Klein, whose words spill out hurriedly and who often ends sentences with the entreaties "You understand?" or "You have to understand that."

Murray, who has pleaded innocent, is accused of failing to monitor Jackson as the singer received a fatal dose of propofol (Diprivan is the drug's commercial name) combined with a variety of other drugs including diazepam (Valium) and lorazepam (Ativan).

Jackson, on the brink of a comeback at age 50, had complained repeatedly of insomnia and his need for drugs to help him sleep as he got ready for a strenuous London concert schedule.

Despite Klein's anxiety over damage to his reputation, he says the fallout has been minimal. Media that sometimes camp outside his office have kept away certain high-profile patients, including "royal families from around the world, political dignitaries, people who don't want to deal with the paparazzi," Klein said.

But Hollywood's crowned heads, the actors and others who helped Klein build his practice and his fame, aren't so faint-hearted. Whether patients or friends, they are speaking up for him.

Carrie Fisher is both. The actress ("Star Wars") and writer ("Wishful Drinking," ''Postcards From the Edge"), replied with a firm "no" when asked if she was uneasy hearing Klein's name invoked in the Murray case.

"Michael and Arnie had a really good relationship. ... It was a shame there was any focus brought (in the trial), because that became what everyone knew about" Klein, she said.

David Geffen, the prominent music and film executive who has long worked with Klein in the fight against AIDS, weighed in with a letter addressed "Dear Arnie" and written to be shared.

"In light of all that is being said about you in the press I was compelled to add my truths. I have never known a doctor who tries to know and learn everything as completely as you do, a doctor who has always been there for me," Geffen wrote.

Fisher contends that her own past prescription drug abuse, about which she has spoken and written, prove Klein's ethics. He never supplied her and, to the contrary, encouraged her to kick her habit, she said.

"If anyone would know, it would have been me," Fisher said with a rueful laugh. "He's not one of the doctors you would hit up for (drugs)."

Garo Ghazarian, Klein's lawyer, has called the defense claim that Klein contributed to Jackson's death "preposterous" and denied that Jackson was addicted to the Demerol used for pain relief "during medical procedures." (He did not detail them, and Klein declined to discuss issues directly related to the trial or whether it was affecting his private life.)

But lead defense attorney Ed Chernoff invoked Klein's name seven times during his opening statement and has referred to the dermatologist repeatedly throughout the trial. The defense, which is expected to begin presenting its side next week, sought to call Klein as a witness but was blocked by Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor, who ruled Klein's testimony was not relevant to the case.

Klein's medical specialty is the use of injectable drugs such as Botox and Restylane to ease wrinkles and sagging skin. It is a skill he pioneered and one that has made him a favorite in Hollywood, where youth and beauty are the currency of the land.

Fisher credits Klein with smoothing her face and restoring her confidence after weight loss took a toll. "He cares about what he does and he loves making people look better," she said. "It's like he's a painter, but the brush is the needle."

He doesn't limit his practice to the well-heeled or well-known. The middle-aged patient who was at the end of his needle recently was a woman who wanted, and got, a younger look for dating and business.

Klein has an international reputation, with patients from the Middle East and Europe trekking to California to see him. In a 2008 issue of Italian men's Vogue, L'uomo Vogue, an article on design leaders featured a dapper, ascot-wearing Klein as an architect of the face, alongside more traditional architecture masters including Frank Gehry.

Often dressed in black, Klein is fond of such eye-catching jewelry as his Rolex watch decorated with diamond-and-ruby lips, a gift he received from Cher. He looks ready to be cast in a movie about a flamboyant doctor's adventures among the stars.

Although he's long balanced the roles of medical heavyweight and prominent physician-about-town, he's now in difficult — but not unprecedented — territory. In 2004, he was sued by a Hollywood socialite who blamed Botox injections for disabling headaches. A jury found for him and the drug manufacturer.

Earlier this year, Klein sought Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and alleged in court papers that he lost at least $10 million to theft and fraud, blaming a former employee and others. A countersuit from the ex-employee denied the allegations and claimed, among other issues, that he had endured difficult working conditions.

Klein minimized the impact of the stated financial losses, saying the bankruptcy filing was based on "bad advice" and that he expects resolution soon. It appears to be the Murray trial, above all, that aggrieves him.

During the 2009 investigation into Jackson's death, federal drug agents checked into who was prescribing medications to the singer and examined the entertainer's interactions with at least seven doctors, including Klein. Federal drug agents raided a pharmacy in the Beverly Hills building where Klein previously practiced before clearing him in Jackson's death.

Klein clearly is in far different circumstances than Murray, who could end up behind bars and lose his medical license if convicted.

By contrast, Klein just moved into new offices around the corner from Rodeo Drove and above a posh restaurant, Villa Blanca, which is a haunt for "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" circle.

His professional credentials remain intact. He is a professor of medicine and dermatology at the University of California, Los Angeles, which is home to the Arnold Klein chair in dermatology endowed by supporters in 2004. And he's a charity stalwart. Klein teamed with other physicians, Taylor and Geffen to form the respected American Foundation for AIDS Research, AmFAR, and he has supported other fundraising efforts targeting breast cancer and eye disease.

Dazzling mementoes and gifts are scattered around his hilltop Beverly Hills home, set in an exclusive neighborhood protected by gates and guards. There's a photo of Klein with Taylor and Jackson; Jackson-signed lithographs of five of the singer's album covers; and sculptures given to Klein by the King of Pop and his children.

A copy of the book "Elizabeth Taylor: My Love Affair With Jewelry" is inscribed with a mash note from the late actress: "My beloved Arnie, I love you more than I can tell. I feel you have saved my fading life. I love and thank you forever. Yours, Elizabeth."

The connection between Klein and Jackson went especially deep. Their friendship developed when Klein treated the singer for ailments including vitiligo — a patchy loss of skin pigmentation, which Klein said forced Jackson to lighten his complexion overall — and facial gauntness caused by weight loss, which can be filled out with Restalyne and other so-called injectables.

Debbie Rowe, who worked as Klein's nurse, married Jackson and bore two of his three offspring, Prince and Paris, before the couple divorced. Media reports alleging Klein to be the children's father through a sperm donation have been dismissed by the doctor, although sometimes coyly.

Jackson lived in one of Klein's homes for a time, and the pair partied with the likes of Taylor. Jackson's last Christmas, in 2008, was spent with his children, Klein, Fisher and a few others, Klein recalls.

The doctor is writing a book about the King of Pop. What Klein says he came to know about him: Jackson wasn't a drug addict but indulged in wine (he called it "Jesus juice"); was a prude and an innocent who wanted to live his childhood forever; and "wasn't adult enough to be sexual," contrary to the child molestation allegations Jackson faced.

Klein said he's been hurt both by the defense's portrayal of Jackson as a frail addict who contributed to his own death and by the allegation that Klein himself shares blame.

"Once you're famous or popular at any level, they'll attack you," he said.

It's unsurprising that Klein finds himself caught on the jagged edge of celebrity, a risk with prominent patients, observers said.

"You become part of that celebrity's tragedy or gossip. Their dirty laundry is aired and you're part of it, directly or indirectly," said Dr. Rahul K. Parikh, a San Francisco-area physician and writer who, in a 2009 Salon.com piece, criticized Klein for publicly discussing the late Jackson's medical history with then-CNN host Larry King. .

Mixing fame and medicine also is counterproductive, contends Dr. Mark Goulston, a psychiatrist and author ("Just Listen: Discover the Secret to Getting Through to Absolutely Anyone").

"The seduction of fame to a doctor can be tough to resist," said Goulston. "I also think it distracts the doctor from what he should be doing, which is to focus totally on the well-being of the patient."

But Klein said his patients and the quest for perfection, nothing else, are his obsession.

"I do this because of my level of doing it, you understand? The monetary thing is nice but it's really secondary to what I do," he said.

Could he have done something to save Jackson, his friend and patient?

"I don't know. How do you save a person?" Klein mused. "This tragedy is an example of how the rich and famous can get terrible medical care. It repeats itself and repeats itself. When people get famous, they get all the 'yes people' around them."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700188331/Jacksons-dermatologist-says-Murray-fallout-hurts.html?pg=1

Hieß es nicht immer das sie Schweine dafür testen wollten .....jetzt sind es Beagles....

Fall Michael Jackson Für Jackson-Prozess wurde Propofol an Beagles getestet

Die Anwälte ließen den Tieren hohe Mengen des Narkosemittels geben, um zu beweisen, dass es nicht tödlich ist



Seit drei Wochen läuft der Prozess gegen Dr. Conrad Murray (58), den ehemaligen Leibarzt von Michael Jackson († 50).

Es sieht nicht gut aus für den Promi-Doc, alles deutet auf eine Verurteilung des Arztes wegen fahrlässiger Tötung hin. Jetzt zogen die Verteidiger Murrays auch noch den Zorn von Tierschützern auf sich, nachdem herauskam, dass die Anwälte die Wirkung des Narkosemittels Propofol an mindestens zwei Beagles testen ließen.

Murrays Anwälte gehen davon aus, dass Jackson große Mengen Propofol oral eingenommen hat; mit den Tierversuchen wollten sie beweisen, dass dies nicht tödlich wirkt.

Noch ist nicht geklärt, ob die Tiere für die Studie tatsächlich gequält wurden. Doch Ingrid Newkirk, Sprecherin der Tierrechtsorganisation Peta in Los Angeles, ist sicher:

„Wenn die Verteidigung damit beweisen wollte, dass Propofol erst ab einem gewissen Grad tödlich ist, ist davon auszugehen, dass mehrere Hunde verendet sind.“

Newkirk fordert deshalb, dass Murray und seine Anwälte allein für dieses Vergehen ins Gefängnis gehen müssen.

„Die Folgen von Propofol sind sehr gut doku­mentiert; dazu braucht man keine neuen Tierversuche.“

http://www.bild.de/unterhaltung/leute/jackson-prozess/jacksons-prozess-wurde-propofol-an-beagles-getestet-20480972.bild.html

@ghost777

ghost777 schrieb:Hieß es nicht immer das sie Schweine dafür testen wollten .....jetzt sind es Beagles....

so habe ich es auch in Erinnerung ... aber egal, ob Schwein oder Hund, es wäre nicht nötig gewesen ...
wenn es denn STIMMEN sollte ...

und so ein kleiner Beagle ... (niedlich, wenn sie noch so jung sind), rührt natürlich die Herzen ...

da hätte man dann ein kleines Ferkelchen präsentieren müssen ... ... die sind aber auch ganz knuffig ... :D

@FaIrIeFlOwEr


Ich Frage mich was der Blödsinn soll ...... warum hat die Blöd das veröffentlicht ....kein anderer hat das bis jetzt getan ...... ob das wirklich stimmt .....na ich weiß nicht.

Ja kleine Beagle und Ferkelchen sind gnuffig :D :D

@FaIrIeFlOwEr

Sieh an es würd doch noch aufgegriffen als quelle die Blöööööd ........

http://www.fan-lexikon.de/musik/news/michael-jackson-prozess-peta-schaltet-sich-ein.118914.html

@ghost777

ghost777 schrieb:Ich Frage mich was der Blödsinn soll ...... warum hat die Blöd das veröffentlicht ....kein anderer hat das bis jetzt getan ...... ob das wirklich stimmt .....na ich weiß nicht.

keine Ahnung, wo die ihre Informationen herhaben ... ist ja nicht nur die Blöd - da gibt es einige mehr auf der ganzen Welt - die manchmal, die Einzigen sind, die was zu "verbreiten" haben ... da fallen
mir u. a. ein: radar.online, aber auch der "National Enquirer" - ein US-Klatschblatt mit miesem Ruf - ...

da schließt sich dann aber auch oftmals kein anderer an ...

ich weiß auch nicht, ob es überhaupt stimmt ... :D

@ghost777

ghost777 schrieb:Sieh an es würd doch noch aufgegriffen als quelle die Blöööööd ........

ja, haben es übernommen, aber sie haben wenigsten die Quelle angegeben ...

und "Peta schaltet sich ein" oder "Der Prozess gegen den Leibarzt des verstorbenen Michael Jackson hat jetzt die Tierschützer auf den Plan gerufen "

macht sich doch immer wieder gut ... :D :D

Michael Jackson war ein Schelm ... MJs "alberne" Seite ... er liebte es, Schabernack zu spielen ...

October 14, 2011

MJ's "silly" side: He liked to play practical jokes
Posted: 08:03 PM ET


VIDEO im Bericht

As the Conrad Murray trial barrels ahead, the infamous doctor isn’t the only one with a reputation at stake. The case has revealed an unflattering version of Michael Jackson as a drug-dependent man so wracked with demons that he couldn’t even clear his thoughts to fall asleep at night.

But when two of Michael’s longtime friends came to The Joy Behar Show, a much different picture emerged. Grammy-winning singer Patti Austin, who knew Michael for 30 years, told Joy about Jackson’s “hummingbird, never-stop energy. He was always on fire.” But the King of Pop also played the role of jester in the studio. Austin recalls Jackson’s “silly” sense of humor and his penchant for playing practical jokes.

And, of course, no discussion of Jackson’s eccentric side would be complete without mentioning his pet, Bubbles the Chimp. Jackson friend Flo Anthony recalls Bubbles “wasn’t always a nice little chimp when he first got there.” Though Bubbles was a dish-throwing, McDonald’s-scarfing terror early on, Michael learned to properly care for him, and soon the chimp was moonwalking for the media on Jackson’s Japan tour. (Now in his late 20s, Bubbles has retired to - where else? - Florida).

When given the full picture, it becomes apparent that Michael Jackson was a shy, complex man with incredible talents and incredible baggage. What seemed like odd behavior to many outsiders was often just his way of forging happiness from a life lacking any semblance of normalcy.

Watch Joy's full interview with Patti Austin and Flo Anthony tonight at 10p ET on HLN.

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/14/mjs-silly-side-he-liked-to-play-practical-jokes/ (Archiv-Version vom 16.10.2011)

@ghost777
@CosmicQueen

zu dem Punkt, ob die Anklagepunkte erweitert werden könnten ... dann hatte ich es falsch in Erinnerung, weil ich meinte, dass beim KM Prozess von MJ damals Anklagepunkte hinzugefügt worden sind ... allerdings weiß ich nicht, zu welchem Zeitpunkt des Verfahrens das damals war ... wahrscheinlich dann doch noch vor der Eröffnung des Prozesses ... :(

ein Eintrag aus dem mjackson Forum
Eintrag #203 von Billy ... vielen Dank

http://www.mjackson.net/forum/showthread.php?15248-13.10.11-12.-Tag-Kamangar-Shafer.-Diskussion/page21

Es ist zu diesem Zeitpunkt aus den verschiedenesten Punkten nicht mehr möglich.

Beachtet bitte dabei, wie die Anklage lautet.
Oder besser gesagt, dass es eine Anklage gibt die gerade verhandelt wird. Die Hauptverhandlung ist somit eröffnet und im Gange - das Verfahren muss zum Abschluss gebracht werden.

Er wäre ja, bei einer anderen Anklage sozusagen nicht der fahrlässigen Tötung schuldig und somit hier erst einmal freizusprechen.
Ein neues Verfahren müsste eröffnet werden.

Das sind hochkomplexe Sachverhalte, die auch im Vorfeld noch strittig sind allgemein und waren - den Sachverhalt hier betreffend. (z.B. ob eine Anklageerweiterung zu einem anderen Zeitpunkt möglich gewesen wäre. Das kann man theoretisch mit Ja beantworten aber auch hier kann man auch Punkte finden, die dagegen sprechen. Man kann sich nur darauf einigen es wäre möglich gewesen). Dabei gilt aber ebenso zu sehen, das es auch hier logischer Weise der entsprechenden Grundlage bedurft hätte - sprich auch die entsprechend gerichtsfesten Beweise hätte es geben müssen.
Dann kommt hinzu, wie sieht es aus mit den bereits eingereichten und verwendeten Akten usw. usw. Sind die noch zulässig usw. - Leute, das kann hier nicht klappen, wenn man es bis ins Detail wissen will.
Das wäre ein Verfahren (im Sinne von Ablauf) gewesen über etliche Monate, wenn nicht länger. Also versteht es sich, dass man das nicht in 3 Sätzen beantworten kann.

Deshalb kann man das auch schwerlich hier klären. Dazu möchte ich anmerken, dass sich darüber selbst Juristen und/oder Strafrechtler nicht immer einig sind.

Zum Kern der Sache:
Vielleicht sollten wir einfach noch mal einen Rückblick machen in die Zeit November 2009 bis Januar 2010. Die Aussagen der Staatsanwaltschaft waren damals, dass sie mit der Anklage "Fahrlässige Tötung" selbst nicht zufrieden waren aber aus Erwägungen heraus auf Nummer sicher zu gehen, sprich das es zu einer Verurteilung kommt, auch diese Anklage so gewählt haben, damit Murray nicht als freier Mann den Gerichtssaal verlässt. Das sie durchaus Punkte fanden, die zu einer ganz anderen Tatbewertung führten, sprich Murray nicht nur als fahrlässig handelnd sahen, ergibt sich dadurch ja. Aber es wäre aus ihrer Sicht wohl ein Risiko gewesen.
Das sagt meiner Ansicht nach alles.

Welches Urteil es nun geben wird, wie hoch das Strafmaß sein wird, dass dies die Gemüter bewegt, dass kann ich verstehen.
So lange das laufende Verfahren nicht beendet ist, gibt es sicherlich auch keinen Anlass sich festzulegen. Und jeder erwartet hier etwas anderes. Für den einen ist es gelaufen, der andere hat Sorge, dass noch bahnbrechende neue Dinge auf den Tisch kommen usw. -
Wer hat nun Recht? Tja - im Grunde genommen wisst Ihr es doch - es wird eine Entscheidung der Jury geben, ob schuldig oder nicht. Das ist das, was die Jury entscheidet.
Lasst es am besten auf Euch zu kommen.

Was mir hier noch aufgefallen ist bei lesen (seht es mir bitte nach, dass ich jetzt nicht mehr weiß, wer wo etwas schrieb).
Hier scheinen mir die Begriffe: Urteil und Verhängung des Strafmaßes, ein wenig durcheinander zu geraten und somit wer welche Funktionen hat.
Somit wird beides hier als Urteil benannt und führt natürlich zwangsläufig zu Verwirrung. Ebenso die Begrifflichkeiten - ein Urteil fällen - und ein Urteil verkünden. Beides ist ja nicht grundsätzlich falsch, es geht aber um die Funktionen.
Man könnte es jetzt auf einer Seite korrekt darstellen, ändert aber in meinen Augen auch nichts, da nicht hilfreich.
Deshalb reicht doch auch hier das Prinzip?

Ich schrieb hier schon mal.
Die Jury fällt die Entscheidung, über schuldig oder nicht-schuldig und kann ggf. eine Empfehlung an den Richter geben. Das dies allgemein als Urteil der Jury benannt wird ist somit klar - die Aufgabe, die die Jury hat, somit auch?
Der Richter "verhängt" das Strafmaß und kann sich der Jury anschließen, muss er aber nicht zwingend.

Und zu dem Punkt, was strafmildernd ist oder nicht - da die Strafe von 4 Jahren das Höchststrafmaß ist, ist klar, dass es abgemilderd werden kann somit sind Überlegungen dahingehend in meinen Augen auch nicht verkehrt. Was das jedoch sein wird, sein könnte, da kann man ggf. die nächsten 2 Wochen auch noch abwarten.
Ihr seid Euch aber doch bewusst, dass es die Jury auch so sehen muss.
Wenn es aber darum geht, ja - die Jury könnte, etwas strafmildernd sehen, dann kann man sagen - ja sie könnte es...

Ich kann mir vorstellen, dass diese Antwort nicht so jedem gefällt - bloss nicht festlegen.....
Aber das wäre in meinen Augen irrsinnig. Gut, man hat immer eine 50 Prozentchance, dass man Recht hat, wenn es hier um Nuancen geht. Von daher!

ein Bericht über Arnold Klein bei timesofindia ...
gleichlautender Bericht wurde bereits eingestellt ... vgl. Eintrag von heute um 00:03h

Michael Jackson's dermatologist says Murray fallout hurts
AP | Oct 16, 2011, 06.40AM IST

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wird Murray nun in den Zeugenstand treten ???? nichts genaues weiß man leider nicht ... :D :D

Doubt whether Jacko doctor will testify

October 16 2011 at 12:25pm


Dr. Conrad Murray, next to attorney Nareg Gourjian (R), attends his trial in the death of pop star Michael Jackson in Los Angeles October 3, 2011. REUTERS/Mario Anzuoni (UNITED STATES - Tags: ENTERTAINMENT CRIME LAW)

LOS ANGELES: The defence in the trial of Michael Jackson’s doctor takes centre stage next week with a major question still to be answered: will Dr Conrad Murray take the witness stand?

After three weeks of often damaging evidence against the doctor accused of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson’s death, legal experts say Murray’s version of events is riddled with inconsistencies.

Testifying comes with risks if Murray is unclear in telling jurors why he failed to have proper equipment on hand when Jackson died, and why he failed to disclose his use of the drug that caused his death.

Murray’s attorneys are expected to call about 22 witnesses, starting next week after the prosecution rests its case, which could come as soon as tomorrow. They are likely to push claims that Jackson was addicted to propofol and other drugs. – Reuters

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