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05.11.2011 um 00:12@CosmicQueen
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die Jury hat heute chinesisch gegessen ... :D
beim Livestream sagen sie gerade, die Jury ist nach Hause gegangen ... Montag geht es weiter ...
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abc7MurrayTrial ABC7 Murray Trialder buzzer wurde noch nicht 3X gedrückt ...
It's 4:04 pm in Los Angeles. Jurors are still in the deliberation room. No buzzes yet. #conradmurraytrial
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abc7MurrayTrial ABC7 Murray Trial
Jurors had Chinese food for lunch today! #conradmurraytrial
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die Jury hat heute chinesisch gegessen ... :D
beim Livestream sagen sie gerade, die Jury ist nach Hause gegangen ... Montag geht es weiter ...
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05.11.2011 um 00:14abc7MurrayTrial ABC7 Murray Trial
They have deliberated for about 6 hours and 8 minutes, approximately. No questions or request for read back.
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Jurors are done for the day, back to deliberate on Monday at 8:30 am. #conradmurraytrial
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05.11.2011 um 00:16@FaIrIeFlOwEr
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schluß für heute ........... is das jetzt ein gutes oder schlechtes zeichen ??
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schluß für heute ........... is das jetzt ein gutes oder schlechtes zeichen ??
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05.11.2011 um 00:19
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05.11.2011 um 00:22@ghost777
konnten ... wer weiß schon, was sie da alles durchgehen müssen ... das Verfahren hat doch auch lange gedauert ...
wie viele Tage waren es 2005, bis die Jury ein Ergebnis hatte ????
ghost777 schrieb:schluß für heute ........... is das jetzt ein gutes oder schlechtes zeichen ??es bedeutet nur, dass sie in den einzelnen Punkten, noch kein einstimmiges Ergebnis erzielen
konnten ... wer weiß schon, was sie da alles durchgehen müssen ... das Verfahren hat doch auch lange gedauert ...
wie viele Tage waren es 2005, bis die Jury ein Ergebnis hatte ????
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05.11.2011 um 00:24@FunnyKerstin
im Gericht erscheinen ... :D
FunnyKerstin schrieb:wenn ich es richtig gelesen habe gehts Montag weiterja, richtig ... die Juroren sollen am Montag um 8:30 AM PT zur weiteren Beratung
im Gericht erscheinen ... :D
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05.11.2011 um 00:28@FaIrIeFlOwEr
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Montag gehts weiter und wir sehen dann endlich MJ^^ ...ich kann es jetzt wirklich kaum noch erwarten^^ :D ....hab schon nen Pokal gefunden ....der ist cooool ....den bekommt er für den besten Film aller Zeiten^^ .....
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Montag gehts weiter und wir sehen dann endlich MJ^^ ...ich kann es jetzt wirklich kaum noch erwarten^^ :D ....hab schon nen Pokal gefunden ....der ist cooool ....den bekommt er für den besten Film aller Zeiten^^ .....
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05.11.2011 um 00:30FaIrIeFlOwEr schrieb:wie viele Tage waren es 2005, bis die Jury ein Ergebnis hatte ????Nicht lachen ja ....es waren 7 :D :D
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05.11.2011 um 00:38@FaIrIeFlOwEr @ghost777 @FunnyKerstin @EC145
Ah Montag geht's weiter, na toll, so lange umsonst gewartet. :D
Ah Montag geht's weiter, na toll, so lange umsonst gewartet. :D
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05.11.2011 um 00:41@ghost777
als ob sich die Jury mit solchen Dingen nun auch noch beschäftigen würde ...
ach ich vergaß, dieser Prozess ist ja was ganz anderes ... hier führt ja MJ Regie ^^ na, dann müssen wir uns doch auf viele Tage einstellen ...
ghost777 schrieb:Nicht lachen ja ....es waren 7 :D :Dalso ich ziehe da wirklich keine weiteren Schlüsse draus ... so bekloppt bin ich nicht ...
als ob sich die Jury mit solchen Dingen nun auch noch beschäftigen würde ...
ach ich vergaß, dieser Prozess ist ja was ganz anderes ... hier führt ja MJ Regie ^^ na, dann müssen wir uns doch auf viele Tage einstellen ...
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05.11.2011 um 00:44CosmicQueen schrieb:Ah Montag geht's weiter, na toll, so lange umsonst gewartet. :DNa MJ braucht noch ne Weile^^ ....bis der Film^^ auch richtig ist .... da muß doch alles perfekt sein...
du weißt doch wie er ist :D :D :D
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05.11.2011 um 00:47@CosmicQueen
wieder vorm PC sitzen ... *lach*
aber wäre die Jury ganz schnell mit den Beratungen fertig, dann gäbe es doch auch wieder Stimmen, alles stand bereits vorher fest ... aber egal wie lange es dauern wird, bis eine Entscheidung getroffen
wird, es wird immer Kritik geben ... :D :D :D
CosmicQueen schrieb:Ah Montag geht's weiter, na toll, so lange umsonst gewartet. :Dja, am Montag geht es weiter ... aber auch da haben wir keine Garantie, dass wir nicht "umsonst"
wieder vorm PC sitzen ... *lach*
aber wäre die Jury ganz schnell mit den Beratungen fertig, dann gäbe es doch auch wieder Stimmen, alles stand bereits vorher fest ... aber egal wie lange es dauern wird, bis eine Entscheidung getroffen
wird, es wird immer Kritik geben ... :D :D :D
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05.11.2011 um 00:56@ghost777
Mensch zwei Projekte gleichzeitig^^ ... kein wunder, dass MJ keine Ruhe findet ^^
ghost777 schrieb:Na MJ braucht noch ne Weile^^ ....bis der Film^^ auch richtig ist .... da muß doch alles perfekt sein... du weißt doch wie er ist :D :D :Dna MJ mit seinem Perfektionismus, das kann dauern ^^ ... vielleicht müssen doch auch noch Szenen nachgedreht werden ^^ ... da hat Murray vielleicht einfach nur zu blöde geguckt ^^, das war noch nicht perfekt ^^ ... aber Murray hat ja noch seinen eigenen Film, bestimmt ist da MJ auch beteiligt ^^
Mensch zwei Projekte gleichzeitig^^ ... kein wunder, dass MJ keine Ruhe findet ^^
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05.11.2011 um 00:56@FaIrIeFlOwEr
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Bin dann mal wechhh schlaft schön ....und träumt süß .. :D :D
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Bin dann mal wechhh schlaft schön ....und träumt süß .. :D :D
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05.11.2011 um 00:58
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05.11.2011 um 01:00
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05.11.2011 um 08:53No verdict yet for Michael Jackson's doctor
Noch kein Urteil für Michael Jacksons Arzt
UPDATED: Nov 5, 2011 00:10 GMT
Jurors in the trial of Michael Jackson's doctor worked for more than seven hours Friday before telling the judge that they had not reached a verdict and were ready to go home for the weekend. The seven men and five women deciding the fate of Dr. Conrad Murray, who is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the 2009 death of the pop icon, will resume deliberations Monday morning. Katherine and Joe Jackson, the parents of the Jackson family, were so anxious for a verdict that they spent Friday afternoon in a hotel near the courthouse so they could get there quickly. Dozens of Jackson fans filled the plaza outside of the downtown Los Angeles County courthouse, shouting slogans, waving signs and sometimes arguing with Murray supporters. The jury heard from 49 witnesses over 23 days, including Murray's girlfriends and patients, Jackson's former employees, investigators, and medical experts for each side. Prosecutor David Walgren told them Thursday the evidence that Murray caused Jackson's death is "overwhelming" and "abundantly clear," while defense lawyer Ed Chernoff argued no crime was committed. "If it were anybody else but Michael Jackson, would this doctor be here today?" Chernoff asked, saying it's a negligence case that should instead be heard by the state medical board. "He was just a little fish in a big, dirty pond," Chernoff said, pointing the finger at other doctors who treated Jackson, and at Jackson himself. The singer's death on June 25, 2009, was caused by acute propofol intoxication in combination with two sedatives, the Los Angeles County coroner ruled. Jurors must decide if the overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol was infused into Jackson's blood by a steady IV drip, as the prosecution contends, or if Jackson injected himself with a syringe left nearby by Murray, as the defense argues.
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Prosecutors argue that Murray's use of propofol in Jackson's home to treat his insomnia was so reckless it was criminally negligent. "Conrad Murray left Prince, Paris and Blanket without a father," Walgren said. "For them, this case doesn't end today, or tomorrow. For Michael's children, this case will go on forever, because they do not have a father. They do not have a father because of the actions of Conrad Murray." Walgren argued that until Jackson's death, no one ever heard of propofol being in a home every night to put someone to sleep. He called it "a pharmaceutical experiment on Michael Jackson ... an obscene experiment." The defense contends Jackson self-administered the fatal overdose of drugs in a desperate search for sleep without Murray's knowing. "What they're really asking you to do is to convict Dr. Murray for the actions of Michael Jackson," Chernoff said. After Chernoff finished his arguments, Walgren attacked the defense for trying to blame "everybody but Conrad Murray, poor Conrad Murray." "If allowed more time to argue, I am sure they would find a way to blame Michael's son, Prince," Walgren said in his rebuttal. Walgren painted Murray as a selfish doctor who agreed to take $150,000 a month to give Jackson nightly infusions of propofol in his home, something an ethical doctor would never do because of the dangers. While Jackson was hooked up to a constant intravenous drip of propofol, Murray was not paying attention, the prosecutor said. Telephone records and testimony showed he was talking to Sade Anding, a Houston cocktail waitress, when he realized Jackson had stopped breathing. "What was so important to Conrad Murray that he had to call Sade Anding at that time? What was so important to this doctor that he needed to call one of his female friends in Houston? What was so pressing that he just couldn't care for Michael Jackson, that he had to call Sade Anding?"
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It will never be known how long Jackson had not been breathing when Murray dropped the phone in the middle of his conversation with Anding, the prosecutor said. "Was Conrad Murray in another room? Did Michael Jackson yell out for help? Did he gasp? Did he choke? Were there sounds? We don't know and we'll never know, because of the neglect and negligence of Conrad Murray." Walgren questioned why Murray waited at least 20 minutes after he found Jackson was not breathing before he asked a security guard call for an ambulance. "To speak to a 911 operator was the only hope of Michael Jackson being revived to see another day," Walgren said. Paramedics arrived just four minutes after the call, but too late to save Jackson, he said. Chernoff argued that Murray depended on chef Kai Chase to send up a security guard while he was trying to revive Jackson, but she only sent son Prince. When Murray spoke with police two days after Jackson's death, it was "to get ahead of the story," because he knew there would be toxicology reports showing he died from propofol and sedatives, Walgren said. "Unfortunately, his version doesn't match up with the evidence, the phone records, the e-mails, but he knew what toxicology findings would show," Walgren said. Jurors heard from two anesthesiology experts who offered competing theories, Dr. Steven Shafer for the prosecution and Dr. Paul White for the defense. Walgren attacked White for his determination "to find a theory or way to blame it on Michael Jackson."
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White testified that the levels of propofol and sedatives found in Jackson's stomach, blood and urine during the autopsy convinced him that Jackson swallowed a large does of lorazepam and later gave himself a rapid injection of propofol, which led to his death. "What you were presented from Dr. White was junk science," Walgren said. Chernoff defended his expert and attacked Shafer, saying he was "not a scientist; he was an advocate. He was trying to prove a point; he was trying to prove a case." "Dr. White knows more about propofol than Dr. Shafer will ever, ever know," Chernoff said. Shafer testified that the "only scenario" in Jackson's death was one involving an IV drip system infusing a steady flow of propofol into Jackson over several hours before his death. Chernoff argued that the prosecution fabricated the theory because they "desperately needed a drip," because "without a drip, what Dr. Murray gave Michael Jackson would not have harmed him." "If Dr. Murray did what he said he did, there was no danger to Michael Jackson," Chernoff said. "Michael Jackson was not going to die and it doesn't matter if you leave the room and go outside and play basketball." Chernoff attacked the credibility of Alberto Alvarez, Jackson's former bodyguard, who testified that he saw a propofol bottle inside an empty saline bag suspended on an IV stand by Jackson's bed. Alvarez waited two months after Jackson's death to tell the story, Chernoff said. "All of a sudden, his story becomes monumentally more compelling and more valuable," Chernoff said. Alvarez acknowledged he turned down a $500,000 offer for an interview, Chernoff said.
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"Do you honestly believe that Alberto Alvarez is not going to cash in?" Alavarez, who placed the 911 call from Jackson's bedroom, also testified he helped remove Jackson from the bed and performed CPR on him, but a paramedic contradicted that testimony. Investigators who found the cut saline bag and propofol bottle never photographed them together or document the bottle being inside the bag, Chernoff said. The "bottle in a bag" theory was even less believable because the propofol bottle had a plastic strip attached to it so it could be hung from an IV stand, he said. That strip was never used, both sides agreed. "Dr. Murray didn't have to go through the ridiculous, absurd step of cutting a bag, propping it up into a cut IV bag, hanging it up where it could fall," Chernoff said. Murray, if convicted, faces up to four years in prison and the loss of his medical license.
http://cnnmobile.com/primary/_YTlbDN-iqCvVhSnP
Noch kein Urteil für Michael Jacksons Arzt
UPDATED: Nov 5, 2011 00:10 GMT
Jurors in the trial of Michael Jackson's doctor worked for more than seven hours Friday before telling the judge that they had not reached a verdict and were ready to go home for the weekend. The seven men and five women deciding the fate of Dr. Conrad Murray, who is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the 2009 death of the pop icon, will resume deliberations Monday morning. Katherine and Joe Jackson, the parents of the Jackson family, were so anxious for a verdict that they spent Friday afternoon in a hotel near the courthouse so they could get there quickly. Dozens of Jackson fans filled the plaza outside of the downtown Los Angeles County courthouse, shouting slogans, waving signs and sometimes arguing with Murray supporters. The jury heard from 49 witnesses over 23 days, including Murray's girlfriends and patients, Jackson's former employees, investigators, and medical experts for each side. Prosecutor David Walgren told them Thursday the evidence that Murray caused Jackson's death is "overwhelming" and "abundantly clear," while defense lawyer Ed Chernoff argued no crime was committed. "If it were anybody else but Michael Jackson, would this doctor be here today?" Chernoff asked, saying it's a negligence case that should instead be heard by the state medical board. "He was just a little fish in a big, dirty pond," Chernoff said, pointing the finger at other doctors who treated Jackson, and at Jackson himself. The singer's death on June 25, 2009, was caused by acute propofol intoxication in combination with two sedatives, the Los Angeles County coroner ruled. Jurors must decide if the overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol was infused into Jackson's blood by a steady IV drip, as the prosecution contends, or if Jackson injected himself with a syringe left nearby by Murray, as the defense argues.
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Prosecutors argue that Murray's use of propofol in Jackson's home to treat his insomnia was so reckless it was criminally negligent. "Conrad Murray left Prince, Paris and Blanket without a father," Walgren said. "For them, this case doesn't end today, or tomorrow. For Michael's children, this case will go on forever, because they do not have a father. They do not have a father because of the actions of Conrad Murray." Walgren argued that until Jackson's death, no one ever heard of propofol being in a home every night to put someone to sleep. He called it "a pharmaceutical experiment on Michael Jackson ... an obscene experiment." The defense contends Jackson self-administered the fatal overdose of drugs in a desperate search for sleep without Murray's knowing. "What they're really asking you to do is to convict Dr. Murray for the actions of Michael Jackson," Chernoff said. After Chernoff finished his arguments, Walgren attacked the defense for trying to blame "everybody but Conrad Murray, poor Conrad Murray." "If allowed more time to argue, I am sure they would find a way to blame Michael's son, Prince," Walgren said in his rebuttal. Walgren painted Murray as a selfish doctor who agreed to take $150,000 a month to give Jackson nightly infusions of propofol in his home, something an ethical doctor would never do because of the dangers. While Jackson was hooked up to a constant intravenous drip of propofol, Murray was not paying attention, the prosecutor said. Telephone records and testimony showed he was talking to Sade Anding, a Houston cocktail waitress, when he realized Jackson had stopped breathing. "What was so important to Conrad Murray that he had to call Sade Anding at that time? What was so important to this doctor that he needed to call one of his female friends in Houston? What was so pressing that he just couldn't care for Michael Jackson, that he had to call Sade Anding?"
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It will never be known how long Jackson had not been breathing when Murray dropped the phone in the middle of his conversation with Anding, the prosecutor said. "Was Conrad Murray in another room? Did Michael Jackson yell out for help? Did he gasp? Did he choke? Were there sounds? We don't know and we'll never know, because of the neglect and negligence of Conrad Murray." Walgren questioned why Murray waited at least 20 minutes after he found Jackson was not breathing before he asked a security guard call for an ambulance. "To speak to a 911 operator was the only hope of Michael Jackson being revived to see another day," Walgren said. Paramedics arrived just four minutes after the call, but too late to save Jackson, he said. Chernoff argued that Murray depended on chef Kai Chase to send up a security guard while he was trying to revive Jackson, but she only sent son Prince. When Murray spoke with police two days after Jackson's death, it was "to get ahead of the story," because he knew there would be toxicology reports showing he died from propofol and sedatives, Walgren said. "Unfortunately, his version doesn't match up with the evidence, the phone records, the e-mails, but he knew what toxicology findings would show," Walgren said. Jurors heard from two anesthesiology experts who offered competing theories, Dr. Steven Shafer for the prosecution and Dr. Paul White for the defense. Walgren attacked White for his determination "to find a theory or way to blame it on Michael Jackson."
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White testified that the levels of propofol and sedatives found in Jackson's stomach, blood and urine during the autopsy convinced him that Jackson swallowed a large does of lorazepam and later gave himself a rapid injection of propofol, which led to his death. "What you were presented from Dr. White was junk science," Walgren said. Chernoff defended his expert and attacked Shafer, saying he was "not a scientist; he was an advocate. He was trying to prove a point; he was trying to prove a case." "Dr. White knows more about propofol than Dr. Shafer will ever, ever know," Chernoff said. Shafer testified that the "only scenario" in Jackson's death was one involving an IV drip system infusing a steady flow of propofol into Jackson over several hours before his death. Chernoff argued that the prosecution fabricated the theory because they "desperately needed a drip," because "without a drip, what Dr. Murray gave Michael Jackson would not have harmed him." "If Dr. Murray did what he said he did, there was no danger to Michael Jackson," Chernoff said. "Michael Jackson was not going to die and it doesn't matter if you leave the room and go outside and play basketball." Chernoff attacked the credibility of Alberto Alvarez, Jackson's former bodyguard, who testified that he saw a propofol bottle inside an empty saline bag suspended on an IV stand by Jackson's bed. Alvarez waited two months after Jackson's death to tell the story, Chernoff said. "All of a sudden, his story becomes monumentally more compelling and more valuable," Chernoff said. Alvarez acknowledged he turned down a $500,000 offer for an interview, Chernoff said.
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"Do you honestly believe that Alberto Alvarez is not going to cash in?" Alavarez, who placed the 911 call from Jackson's bedroom, also testified he helped remove Jackson from the bed and performed CPR on him, but a paramedic contradicted that testimony. Investigators who found the cut saline bag and propofol bottle never photographed them together or document the bottle being inside the bag, Chernoff said. The "bottle in a bag" theory was even less believable because the propofol bottle had a plastic strip attached to it so it could be hung from an IV stand, he said. That strip was never used, both sides agreed. "Dr. Murray didn't have to go through the ridiculous, absurd step of cutting a bag, propping it up into a cut IV bag, hanging it up where it could fall," Chernoff said. Murray, if convicted, faces up to four years in prison and the loss of his medical license.
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05.11.2011 um 09:16Schweigt eisern: Conrad Murray. (Foto: AP)
Freitag, 04. November 2011
Jackson-Prozess geht zu EndeConrad Murray erwartet Urteil
Verteidigung und Staatsanwaltschaft halten ihre Abschlussplädoyers. Das Schicksal von Conrad Murray liegt nun in den Händen der Geschworenen. Michael Jacksons Leibarzt wird vorgeworfen, dem King of Pop fahrlässig eine Überdosis Propofol verabreicht zu haben. Wird der Arzt für schuldig befunden, geht er für vier Jahre ins Gefängnis.
Zweieinhalb Jahre nach dem Tod von Michael Jackson steht der Prozess gegen den wegen fahrlässiger Tötung angeklagten Leibarzt von US-Popstar Michael Jackson vor dem Abschluss. Nach den Plädoyers von Staatsanwaltschaft und Verteidigung trug Richter Michael Pastor den Geschworenen in Los Angeles auf, ihre Beratungen über das Urteil gegen Conrad Murray aufzunehmen.
In ihrem Plädoyer fuhr die Anklage zuvor schweres Geschütz auf. Staatsanwalt David Walgren rief die Geschworenen dazu auf, den wegen fahrlässiger Tötung angeklagten Herzspezialisten Conrad Murray schuldig zu sprechen. Der Mediziner habe den Tod des Sängers "grob fahrlässig" und "direkt" verschuldet. Murray habe seinem Patienten das Narkosemittel Propofol gespritzt und ihn dann alleine gelassen. Er habe im Polizeiverhör gelogen, Sanitätern und Medizinern wichtige Informationen verschwiegen und nur an seinen eigenen Vorteil gedacht.
Verteidiger hält dagegen: Jackson war abhängig
Murrays Verteidiger Ed Chernoff hielt dagegen,
dass die Anklage Murrays Schuld an einer Überdosis Propofol nicht glaubwürdig bewiesen habe. Vielmehr deute alles darauf hin, dass Jackson sich selbst die tödliche Dosis spritzte, als sein Arzt nicht im Raum war. Jackson sei immerhin von Medikamenten abhängig gewesen. Jackson habe zudem unter erheblichem Druck gestanden, weil er ein großes Comeback mit 50 Konzerten in London plante, sagte Chernoff.
Sieht in Jacksons Leibarzt einen Sündenbock: Ed Chernoff.
Chernoff warnte die Juroren, dass die Anklage von ihnen verlangte, "Conrad Murray für die Taten von Michael Jackson" zu verurteilen. Der Mediziner sei nur "ein kleiner Fisch in einem großen schmutzigen Teich", sagte Chernoff über die vielen Ärzte, von denen sich der Popstar über Jahre hinweg mit starken Medikamenten versorgen ließ.
Staatsanwaltschaft führt vaterlose Kinder an
Jacksons Mutter Katherine und seine Schwester La Toya wischten sich Tränen weg, als die Rede auf die Kinder des Sängers kam, berichtete das Promi-Portal "People.com". Wegen Murrays Taten hätten Paris, Prince und Blanket ihren Vater verloren, führte Walgren im Gerichtssaal aus. "Für Michaels Kinder geht dieser Fall ewig weiter, weil sie keinen Vater mehr haben." Die Beweise gegen Murray seien "überwältigend", sagte der Anklagevertreter.
In den vergangenen sechs Wochen waren 49 Zeugen, darunter Mediziner, Sachverständige, Angestellte Jacksons und Patienten Murrays, zu Wort gekommen. Mehr als 300 Tabellen, Fotos, Videos und andere Beweismittel wurden den fünf Frauen und sieben Männern der Jury vorgelegt. Murray selbst war nicht in den Zeugenstand getreten.
Laut Autopsiebericht führte eine "akute Vergiftung" mit Propofol im Mix mit anderen Medikamenten im Juni 2009 zu Jacksons Tod. Im Falle eines Schuldspruchs drohen Murray bis zu vier Jahre Haft und der Entzug seiner ärztlichen Lizenz.
http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Conrad-Murray-erwartet-Urteil-article4688866.html
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