JFK - Attentataufdeckung
26.05.2016 um 14:42Zu Walker:
Selbs wenn von es Oswald stammen sollte, hat es nicht zwangsläufig mit dem Walker-Attentat zu tun.
- Es geht nur um Anweisungen im Fall einer Verhaftung, Walker wird gar nicht erwähnt, ein Attentat nicht mal angedeutet.
- Auf der Notiz waren Fingerabdrücke, jedoch keine von Oswald.
Im Übrigen ändert dein Einwand nichts an der Kugel mit Stahlmantel, die sich auf wundersame Weise in ein Kupfermantelgeschoss verwandelte.
ALLE Dokumente aus der Zeit vor dem JFK-Attentat beschreiben die Kugel als "steel-jacketed"
Beitrag von bredulino (Seite 432)
Nach dem JFK-Attentat wurde vom sleben Kugeltyp wie beim JFK-Attentat gesprochen- mit Kupferummantelung
NIEMAND hat Oswald an Walkers Haus zum Attentatszeitpunkt gesehen, dafür wurden andere Personen gesichtet
Zur Money Order:
(27) With the restrictions and reservations stated in each panel member's
final report,* the members conclude, generally, that the signatures and
handwriting purported to be by Oswald are consistently that of one person .
Because of the poor condition of the historical diary, they are unable to conclude
firmly whether it was written at one or more than one sitting. On balance, it
appears to have been written at one or a few sittings.
*In particular, members noted that not all documents were available in their
original . It is standard practice in the profession of questioned document
examination to make definitive conclusions only about documents examined in
their original. Thus the panel members gave only tentative opinions for
items provided them in some type of facsimile.
Nur Scott, einer von drei, gibt an, die Originale der Money Order und des Umschlags untersucht zu haben. Interessant ist was er über Fotos und Kopien von Dokumenten sagt:
Procedures
(55) Items 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,20,22,23,24,25,
27,29,31,32,33,34,36,38,39,40,43,45,47,48,51,54,55,56,57,58,59,61,and 62 were studied,
both visually and microscopically
Er untersuchte nicht das Original:
Item 29 was a Xerox copy made from a microfilm copy. Such a second generation copy
has the defects of both processes.
Die Kopie einer Kopie.
(71) Five items of evidence were not examined in the original, but were copies .
Photocopies have several limitations. They do not reproduce all the fine details in handwriting
needed in making an examination and comparison. At best, they do not produce as sharp an
image as a properly produced photograph, and they lack tonal gradations, a result of the
contrasting process of reproduction . In addition, it is possible to incorporate or insert
changes and alterations into copies . A method frequently used is to paste together
parts of documents to make one fraudulent document, which is then copied. If the
first copy can pass inspection, it will be used ; if not, it will be reworked to eliminate
all signs of alteration. This amended copy is then recopied for the finished product.
This is usually referred to as the "cut and paste" method.
Kommen wir zu McNally:
(31) I conducted an examination and comparison of the signatures and writings on the items
described in this report . At the time of the initial work in Washington, D.C., I made color
photo-macrographs of the signatures and the writings on these documents. I then
made slides from the photo-macrographs, which I subsequently projected and studied. The
signatures were a particular focus of my examination.
(50) The same writing is on the U.S. Postal money order to Klein's (item 29) as is on the
various letters and correspondence . The same writing is on the order form and envelope, (item
30) as is on the letters and on the inside cover of the passport (item 9) .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WQr4y1j4Gw (Video: JFK - Assassination : The depository revisited - Alyea#2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AqqNKsWCGY (Video: JFK - Assassination : The Mauser 7.65 rifle)
Und alle Polizisten haben an der Waffe nur einmal flüchtig vorgeschielt...
Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman was one of the police officers on the sixth floor of the depository. Upon glancing at the rifle, he thought the rifle looked like a 7.65 Mauser. He later made a statement to the Dallas police on November 23, and the FBI on November 23(page 1 and 2) and November 25 (page 1 and 2) stating the rifle he saw was a 7.65 Mauser
Wikipedia: John F. Kennedy assassination rifle#cite note-9
It is probable Oswald chose the '6.5 Italian Carbine’ because of its cheap price and small size - measuring just 40 inches long.
http://www.historicalfirearms.info/post/67795719622/oswalds-guns-in-early-1963-a-young-man-purchased
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vergleiche das "A" bei "A. Hidell"
Quelle:
Wikipedia: John F. Kennedy assassination rifle
PBs Frontline:
siehe ab 33:44 m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghG3Z0-C2rg
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http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/How5Investigations/How5InvestigationsGotItWrong_5.htm
Africanus schrieb am 22.05.2016:Purtell gibt in seinem Bericht zu, dass er mit diese nicht einschätzen kann, da er die verschiedenen Schreibstile im kyrillischen nicht kennt und deswegen nicht zwischen allgemeinen und individuellen Merkmalen unterscheiden kann. Er meint aber, dass Ähnlichkeiten zu den eindeutig Oswald zugeordneten Schriftproben bestehenWas immer noch keine positive Übereinstimmung ist:
Africanus schrieb am 22.05.2016:This examiner is, therefore, unable to render a definite opinionDer andere bestätigt nur:
The Russian language writing on documents 23, 56, and 57 is by the same person.3 Schriftstücke.
Selbs wenn von es Oswald stammen sollte, hat es nicht zwangsläufig mit dem Walker-Attentat zu tun.
- Es geht nur um Anweisungen im Fall einer Verhaftung, Walker wird gar nicht erwähnt, ein Attentat nicht mal angedeutet.
- Auf der Notiz waren Fingerabdrücke, jedoch keine von Oswald.
Im Übrigen ändert dein Einwand nichts an der Kugel mit Stahlmantel, die sich auf wundersame Weise in ein Kupfermantelgeschoss verwandelte.
ALLE Dokumente aus der Zeit vor dem JFK-Attentat beschreiben die Kugel als "steel-jacketed"
Beitrag von bredulino (Seite 432)
Nach dem JFK-Attentat wurde vom sleben Kugeltyp wie beim JFK-Attentat gesprochen- mit Kupferummantelung
NIEMAND hat Oswald an Walkers Haus zum Attentatszeitpunkt gesehen, dafür wurden andere Personen gesichtet
Zur Money Order:
(27) With the restrictions and reservations stated in each panel member's
final report,* the members conclude, generally, that the signatures and
handwriting purported to be by Oswald are consistently that of one person .
Because of the poor condition of the historical diary, they are unable to conclude
firmly whether it was written at one or more than one sitting. On balance, it
appears to have been written at one or a few sittings.
*In particular, members noted that not all documents were available in their
original . It is standard practice in the profession of questioned document
examination to make definitive conclusions only about documents examined in
their original. Thus the panel members gave only tentative opinions for
items provided them in some type of facsimile.
Nur Scott, einer von drei, gibt an, die Originale der Money Order und des Umschlags untersucht zu haben. Interessant ist was er über Fotos und Kopien von Dokumenten sagt:
Photographic reproductions could only be compared visually with other photographicIn dieser Hinsicht sind die items 29 und 30 interessant:
reproductions or with original documents. All conclusions based solely upon photographic
reproductions are necessarily tentative and inconclusive. since they cannot reveal
much about pen pressure and other dynamic qualities of handwriting. Further, they
sometimes conceal, rather than reveal, evidence of tracings, alterations, erasures, or
obliterated writing.
29.March 12, 1963. U.S. postal money order No. bearing handwritten fill-ins as follows: Klein's Sporting Goods, A. Hidell, P.O. Box 2915. Dallas, Tex. Blue ink, ballpoint pen. Location: Archives. (CE 788; JFK exhibit F-509A and 509B.)Purtell untersuchte von die Bestellungen betreffenden Dokumenten nur 29:
30.March 12, 1963. Enlargement of microfilm reproduction of Klein's order form for rifle from A. Hidell, superimposed on envelop, postmarked March 12, 1963, addressed to Klein's, Dept. 358, 227 W. Washington Street, Chicago 6, Ill., with return address: A. Hidell. P.O. Box 2915, Dallas, Tex. Location:Archives. (CE 773: Cadigan's exhibit 1; JFK exhibit F-504.)
Procedures
(55) Items 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,20,22,23,24,25,
27,29,31,32,33,34,36,38,39,40,43,45,47,48,51,54,55,56,57,58,59,61,and 62 were studied,
both visually and microscopically
Er untersuchte nicht das Original:
Item 29 was a Xerox copy made from a microfilm copy. Such a second generation copy
has the defects of both processes.
Die Kopie einer Kopie.
(71) Five items of evidence were not examined in the original, but were copies .
Photocopies have several limitations. They do not reproduce all the fine details in handwriting
needed in making an examination and comparison. At best, they do not produce as sharp an
image as a properly produced photograph, and they lack tonal gradations, a result of the
contrasting process of reproduction . In addition, it is possible to incorporate or insert
changes and alterations into copies . A method frequently used is to paste together
parts of documents to make one fraudulent document, which is then copied. If the
first copy can pass inspection, it will be used ; if not, it will be reworked to eliminate
all signs of alteration. This amended copy is then recopied for the finished product.
This is usually referred to as the "cut and paste" method.
Kommen wir zu McNally:
(31) I conducted an examination and comparison of the signatures and writings on the items
described in this report . At the time of the initial work in Washington, D.C., I made color
photo-macrographs of the signatures and the writings on these documents. I then
made slides from the photo-macrographs, which I subsequently projected and studied. The
signatures were a particular focus of my examination.
(50) The same writing is on the U.S. Postal money order to Klein's (item 29) as is on the
various letters and correspondence . The same writing is on the order form and envelope, (item
30) as is on the letters and on the inside cover of the passport (item 9) .
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Africanus schrieb am 22.05.2016:Und die Quelle für Roger Craigs Aussage bist Du auch noch schuldigz.B. hier
Africanus schrieb am 22.05.2016:Doch, es war eine adhoc-Einschätzung, einfach ein oberflächlicher Blick.Sogar noch am 23.11, wurde über eine Mauser berichtet.
Und alle Polizisten haben an der Waffe nur einmal flüchtig vorgeschielt...
Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman was one of the police officers on the sixth floor of the depository. Upon glancing at the rifle, he thought the rifle looked like a 7.65 Mauser. He later made a statement to the Dallas police on November 23, and the FBI on November 23(page 1 and 2) and November 25 (page 1 and 2) stating the rifle he saw was a 7.65 Mauser
im TSBD soll eine 40-Inch-Carcano gefunden worden seinThe difference between the 36" M91 TS shown in the ad with bottom-mounted sling, and the 40" M91/38 rifle with side-mounted sling used in the assassination, has caused confusion.
Quelle?
Wikipedia: John F. Kennedy assassination rifle#cite note-9
It is probable Oswald chose the '6.5 Italian Carbine’ because of its cheap price and small size - measuring just 40 inches long.
http://www.historicalfirearms.info/post/67795719622/oswalds-guns-in-early-1963-a-young-man-purchased
Africanus schrieb am 22.05.2016:Und wo ist da jetzt das Argument?Das Datum der Money Order ist der 12. März, das Datum der Bearbeitung ist der 15. Februar 1963. In unserem Universum kommt die Wirkung nach der Ursache- d.h. zuerst Versenden der Money Order, dann Bearbeitung dieser
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Africanus schrieb am 22.05.2016:Die Tatsache, dass der Brief aufgegeben wurde, beweist, dass er abwesend warMit Übung lässt sich jede Schrift gut imitieren. Ich frage mich auch, welchen der beiden Briefe du meinst- der im WCR oder von PBS Frontline
vergleiche das "A" bei "A. Hidell"
Quelle:
Wikipedia: John F. Kennedy assassination rifle
PBs Frontline:
siehe ab 33:44 m
Africanus schrieb am 22.05.2016:Wo ist denn der Beweis, dass es damals eine "Zone 12" in Dallas gab und dass diese genau dort lag, wo sie Deine Quelle verortet hat?ich wüsste jetzt keinen Gegenbeweis von McAdams oder von Pein
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Africanus schrieb am 22.05.2016:Dann zeig doch einfach die Lügen im Bericht anhand der Interviews vor dem HSCA auf!Habe ich doch- im Bericht steht, dass keiner der Autopsie-Zeugen in den Beschreibungen der Wunden von den Autopsiefotos abweiche (ALL of those interviewed) - was gelogen ist, da viele Zeugen von einer großen Wunde am Hinterkopf bzw. im hinteren Bereich des Kopfes sprachen diese aber auch zeichneten.
In a suppressed interview, the HSCA's Jim Kelly and Andy Purdy recorded that Jenkins had said, “he saw a head wound in the ‘...middle temporal region back to the occipital.’”[277] (Emphasis added.) Jenkins prepared a diagram for the HSCA that was released with his interview. It matches his verbal description, showing a defect in the right rear of the skull.
Jan Gail Rudnicki was Dr. Boswell's lab assistant on the night of the autopsy. HSCA’s Mark Flanagan on 5/2/78 interviewed Rudnicki. In the once-secret memo, Flanagan wrote that Rudnicki had said, the “back-right quadrant of the head was missing.”[280] (Emphasis added.)Mehr dazu hier:
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/How5Investigations/How5InvestigationsGotItWrong_5.htm