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07.05.2022 um 09:45Inv3rt schrieb:Sichtung von 3 Objekten, am 13.10.2010 im Luftraum über New York.Das sieht für mich aus wie 3 zusammengebundene Luftballone.
Inv3rt schrieb:Sichtung von 3 Objekten, am 13.10.2010 im Luftraum über New York.Das sieht für mich aus wie 3 zusammengebundene Luftballone.
Roesti schrieb:Das sieht für mich aus wie 3 zusammengebundene Luftballone.Mit variabler Schnurlänge und weiteren Objekten, die dazustoßen?
Inv3rt schrieb:Sichtung von 3 Objekten, am 13.10.2010 im Luftraum über New York.Auf den ersten Blick sieht das aus wie ein etwas schwereres Objekt, an dem zwei Ballons oder ähnliches hängen,
Inv3rt schrieb:Mit variabler Schnurlänge und weiteren Objekten, die dazustoßen?Das sieht doch nur so aus wenn die unterschiedlich nach oben, unten, zur Seite geweht werden. Früher als Kinder haben wir öfters 2 oder 3 Ballone an diese Karten bei Hochzeiten gebunden damit die länger fliegen. Das sieht dann nach ner Weile ziemlich genau so aus.
Quelle: http://www.otsimrat.net/analysis/ufo_NewYork_13October2010.html (Archiv-Version vom 09.03.2022)At approximately 1:30 p.m. several Ufo's appeared over New York. This caused office workers around the Manhattan area to go out of their building and onto the streets to witness these alleged Ufo's. Many people called 911, the Emergency Center of NYC, and also the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). However, FAA concluded and said: "We re-ran radar to see if there was anything there that we can't account for but there is nothing in the area."
People said the whole appearance of Ufo's over Manhattan lasted for over 45 minutes. Some people took pictures and others filmed. Two of the videos from YouTube with Ufo's over NYC have exposured on the webpage. Threre are an additional two videos filmed in Texas USA, in El Paso and Las Cruces. And also another three videos with Ufo sightings in Peru and two in Mexico.
Analysis:Quelle: http://www.otsimrat.net/analysis/ufo_NewYork_13October2010.html (Archiv-Version vom 09.03.2022)
At the beginning of the video two Ufo's can be seen - a cluster appearing as a single object above and a single Ufo shown below the video screen. Then the bottom ufo disappears and a cluster of three white spheres remains in view.
From the very beginning of the video up two minutes and 40 seconds the behavior of the Ufo cluster can be seen. With careful observation one can see how single white spheres are quickly and often changing their positions in relation to each other. During this period one can see how they are forming a triangular pattern at least 22 times. The most common triangular formation is an equilateral triangle.
At the beginning of the second stage there appears a cluster and a single sphere to the upper right of the cluster. During the video between 2:50 to 2:58 the upper right sphere moves quickly and disappears from the view.
From 3:00 to 4:30 the cluster is forming a row at least 9 times and each sphere is remaining in its position in relation to the other spheres. After that two upper spheres start to separate from the bottom sphere and remain together. The distance between the bottom sphere and the two upper spheres increases all the time and the three form a new triangular formation.
At position 6:28 in the video, suddenly from the upper right side two single spheres appear and up to position 7:30 in the view there are five white spheres. After that the person doing the taping caught several frames showing all five spheres and then they went out of focus.
I made from the CBS video a lot of snapshots and put together a manual slideshow where it's easier to see the way in which spheres were in different positions and how amazing several formations are. For the manual slideshow look here.
In the short video clip "Ufo's Over NYC 10/13/10" ten Ufo's are seen at the beginning in two separate groups. In the group on the left side four Ufo's are seen and in the right group - six Ufo's. Look at the thumbnail image with clickable enlargement in the beginning of the site upper right corner.
Conclusion:
- At approximately 1:30 p.m. on October 13, 2010 over New York appeared at least ten Ufo's.
- Video taper of the video clip "Ufo's Over NYC 10/13/10" was able to view ten white spheres.
- The best view of Ufo's was in Chelsea area of Manhattan.
- People said the total Ufo's over Manhattan event lasted over 45 minutes.
- Many people called 911, the Emergency Center of NYC, and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
- FAA concluded and said: "We re-ran radar to see if there was anything there that we can't account for but there is nothing in the area."
- Ufo's weren't see by radar but were visible with people's naked eyes and cameras.
- In the first stage of video three Ufo's in a cluster quickly change their positions in relation to each other for about two minutes and 40
seconds. In this time the three Ufo's created a triangular formation at least 22 times. Most often this appeared as an equilateral
triangle.
- In the second stage of the video from 3:00 to 4:30 the cluster changes at least 9 times into a row formation and each sphere remains
in its position relative to one another.
- CBC's video taper caught at least five white spheres.
Kephalopyr schrieb:Versteht mich nicht falsch. Ich versuche auch nur zu hinterfragen, was da tatsächlich losgewesen sein könnte.Such dir doch einfach mal Artikel raus, die erklären, was da abgelaufen ist.
In the end, no trace of enemy aircraft or soldiers were ever discovered, and the military was forced to admit the “Battle” of Los Angeles was a false alarm. But it did galvanize the city and the military, says Arthur C. Verge, professor of history at El Camino College. “As bad as the Battle of Los Angeles was, I think it was a wake up call. Some people saw [the war] as far way, in the Hawaiian Islands, but now it was real, right next door.” That meant people were more willing to support the military with small actions, like rationing food or selling war bonds.Quelle: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/great-los-angeles-air-raid-terrified-citizenseven-though-no-bombs-were-dropped-180967890/
Kephalopyr schrieb:Ein Ballon, ein Schwarm Vögel? Sowas hat für so viel Aufruhr gesorgt?Also erstmal vorweg ist das Foto retuschiert bzw. der Kontrast wurde stark erhöht.
On 24 February 1942, the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) issued a warning that an attack on mainland California could be expected within the next ten hours. That evening, many flares and blinking lights were reported from the vicinity of defense plants. An alert was called at 7:18 pm, and was lifted at 10:23 pm. Renewed activity began early in the morning of 25 February.[12] Air raid sirens sounded at 2:25 am throughout Los Angeles County.[13] A total blackout was ordered and thousands of air raid wardens were summoned to their positions. At 3:16 am, the 37th Coast Artillery Brigade began firing .50-caliber machine guns and 12.8-pound (5.8 kg) anti-aircraft shells into the air at reported aircraft; over 1,400 shells were eventually fired. Pilots of the 4th Interceptor Command were alerted but their aircraft remained grounded. The artillery fire continued sporadically until 4:14 am. The "all clear" was sounded and the blackout order was lifted at 7:21 am.[14]Wikipedia: Battle of Los Angeles
Several buildings and vehicles were damaged by shell fragments, and five civilians died as an indirect result of the anti-aircraft fire: three were killed in car accidents in the ensuing chaos and two of heart attacks attributed to the stress of the hour-long action.[1] The incident was front-page news along the West Coast and across the nation.[15]
After the war ended in 1945, the Japanese government declared that they had flown no airplanes over Los Angeles during the war.[13] In 1983, the U.S. Office of Air Force History concluded that an analysis of the evidence points to meteorological balloons as the cause of the initial alarm:[12]Quelle: ebenda.
Kephalopyr schrieb:Eiskristalle sollen die Erklärung sein und blinkend, weil sie von der Sonne angestrahlt wurden?Also erstmal zum Vorfall der STS-75 an sich:
TETHERED SATELLITE INVESTIGATION REPORT IS RELEASEDQuelle: https://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/1996/96-112.txt (Archiv-Version vom 26.10.2022)
NASA and the Italian Space Agency (ASI) today released the
report of the investigative board appointed to determine
factors which resulted in the Feb. 25 tether break and loss of
the Tethered Satellite during the STS-75 Space Shuttle
mission.
Findings of the board, included in a 358-page document,
identified primary causes which accounted for the tether break
during deployment of the Tethered Satellite.
"The tether failed as a result of arcing and burning of
the tether, leading to a tensile failure after a significant
portion of the tether had burned away," the report concludes.
The arcing occurred because either external foreign object
penetration (but not orbital debris or micrometeoroids) or a
defect in the tether caused a breach in the layer of
insulation surrounding the tether conductor. The insulation
breach provided a path for the current to jump, or arc, from
the copper wire in the tether to a nearby electrical ground.
The board found that the arcing burned away most of the
tether material at that location, leading to separation of the
tether from tensile or pulling force. The break occurred when
approximately 12.2 miles (19.7 km) of tether was unreeled, in
a period when the tether was experiencing normal stresses of
approximately 15 pounds (65 newtons).
In addition to the two primary causes for the tether
break, the board cited, as one contributing factor, that "the
degree of vulnerability of the tether insulation to damage was
not fully appreciated." The board noted that the actual
environment that the tether was exposed to in flight made it
more vulnerable to damage than was expected. And, it noted
that the high voltages under which the system was operating
could, over a period of time, have reduced the ability of the
tether insulation to withstand electrical breakdown due to
contamination found in the tether.
"The tether itself was a remarkable engineering
achievement," said Ken Szalai, who chaired the investigative
board, "and produced some startling scientific discoveries."
Scientific papers recently presented at an American
Geophysical Union conference reported that currents generated
by the tether were three times higher than theoretical models
had predicted prior to the flight.
"Constructing a tether that was strong, lightweight and
electrically conducting took the project into technical and
engineering areas where they had never been before," said
Szalai. "Now, with 20/20 hindsight, they know where the system
is vulnerable and can improve the design."
The Tethered Satellite System is a joint NASA-ASI system
that was flown aboard Space Shuttle Columbia in an experiment
to better understand the electrically charged environment of
Earth's ionosphere, and how tether systems behave in it. ASI
had the responsibility of providing the satellite, while NASA
had the responsibility of the Deployer, which includes the
tether, and the overall responsibility for payload integration
and operations. The provision of science investigations was
shared by ASI and NASA.
The system was generating 3,500 volts DC and up to 0.5
amps of current during satellite deployment. That high level
of electrical energy resulted from the length of conducting
tether extending from the Shuttle, coupled with the 17,500-
mile-per-hour speed at which the Shuttle and tether were
cutting through Earth's magnetic field lines.
The board found sufficient evidence to identify two
possible causes of the breach in the insulation -- foreign
object damage, or a defect in the tether itself. Debris and
contamination found in the deployer mechanisms and in the
tether itself could have been pushed into the insulation layer
while the tether was still wound on its reel. The
investigation found evidence of damage to copper wire in the
tether, and also established that normal forces on the tether
while on the reel could push a single copper strand or foreign
debris through the insulation.
The arcing, which began in an intricate part of the
Tethered Satellite System known as the lower tether control
mechanism, sputtered intermittently for nine seconds as the
moving tether passed through deployer mechanisms and then into
the boom area of the tether system. At the time, tether was
continuing to play out at one meter per second, or slightly
more than three feet per second.
"This arcing produced significant burning of most of the
tether material in the area of the arc," the board found. The
tether was designed to carry up to 15,000 volts DC and handle
tensile forces of up to 400 pounds (1780 newtons). It used
super-strong strands of Kevlar as a strength-providing member,
wound around the copper and insulation. However, postflight
inspection of the tether end which remained aboard Columbia
showed it to be charred. The board concluded that after
arcing had burned through most of the Kevlar, the few
remaining strands were not enough to withstand forces being
exerted by satellite deployment.
Extensive, rigorous tests performed in support of the
investigation established that undamaged tether would not arc,
even when subjected to electrical potentials much higher than
the 3500 volts experienced during the mission.
The board was able to exonerate a number of factors which
clearly did not cause the break. These factors include the
satellite, the science equipment hardware and operations,
which were being conducted prior to the break, in addition to
micrometeoroids or orbital debris impact, and electrical storm
activity.
The investigation panel made several detailed
recommendations which it said should be followed for any
future space missions involving electrodynamic tether systems
such as that flown aboard Columbia. These include more
precautions to ensure any such tether systems in the future do
not suffer from possible debris or contamination damage and
specific attention during design to minimize the possibility
of high-voltage arcing.
The board offered, in the form of observations, its
assessment that the STS-75 tether problem "is not indicative
of any fundamental problem in using electrodynamic tethers."
It also noted that in spite of the break, a "significant
amount" of scientific data was obtained from the Tethered
Satellite operations during STS-75.
The nine-member independent review panel was formed in
consultation with ASI and appointed by NASA's Associate
Administrator for the Office of Space Flight, Wilbur Trafton,
shortly after the tether break. The board was chaired by Ken
Szalai, director of the Dryden Flight Research Center,
Edwards, CA, and included representation from NASA and the
ASI.
At the time of the incident, astronaut Franklin Chang-Diaz explained the objects seen near the tether as "a little bit of debris that kind of flies with us." The debris, he said, was illuminated by the sun. Later, John Tindall of the History Channel noted that the camera's telephoto lens was used with a circular mirror that had a hole in the middle, which left an artifact on the images. Because the images on the camera were overexposed by bright sunlight, objects appeared brighter than they were, giving the illusion they were behind the tether rather than in front of it, Tindall said.https://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/space/article/UFO-believers-tether-incident-alien-ufo-footage-5761801.php
What really made "The Tether Incident" famous was the appearance of many unidentified flying objects (UFOs) clearly visible in the NASA footage. Conspiracy theorists rejected NASA's explanation of space debris and ice particles, while conspiracy debunkers pointed out that the UFO theory doesn't stack up. For example, if the UFOs were as big as the conspiracy theorists claim, they would have been clearly visible from the ground.Quelle: https://www.spacecentre.nz/resources/videos/spaceflight/shuttle/columbia-sts75.html
Gucky87 schrieb:Das habe ich schon selber ausprobiert und mich dann schlapp gelacht. In diesem Punkt sind die meisten Menschen eben Lemminge, weil neugierig.Du Schlingel ;)
“The kids had an engagement party for a teacher, and a mother brought four dozen balloons, and she’s coming through the door. It is very windy in Mount Vernon. Suddenly, 12 of the balloons let loose.”https://nypost.com/2010/10/15/kids-behind-the-ufo/
The cluster of balloons meant for language-arts teacher Andrea Craparo went skyward at around 1 p.m. The first “UFO” sighting was at about 1:30 p.m.
National Weather Service meteorologist Brian Ciemnecki said wind conditions could have easily taken the cluster of silver and white balloons on that very course over Manhattan.
Kephalopyr schrieb:WIRKLICH phänomenalWas ist denn WIRKLICH phänomenal?
Inv3rt schrieb:Was ist denn WIRKLICH phänomenal?Nein, phänomenal im Sinne von: "Nicht mal wir als Regierung wissen, worum es sich dabei handelte!". Einfach mal ein Vorfall, der sich hinterher nicht als billigen Fake entpuppt, oder ausgedacht oder sonst irgendetwas enttäuschendes. Auf Disney+ ist eine 6-teilige Dokureihe zu Ufo-Fällen, die jeweils ne Stunde gehen und im ersten Video kam das mit Hessdalen vor. Es sah überzeugend und mysteriös aus, aber auf Wikipedia steht, dass es sich höchstwahrscheinlich um irgendein irdisches, seltenes Phänomen handelt.
Phänomenal, wie phänomenal kompliziert es sein kann etwas zweifelsfrei zu identifizieren?
Inv3rt schrieb:Muss ja echt ein Kulturgut sein, zwei Flugzeuge gefilmt zu haben.Aber glaubst du das? Es gibt ja(wie Hessdalen) so einige Erklärungsversuche die man bereits nachlesen kann, die dann auf Wikipedia zu dem jeweiligen Vorfall enthalten sind, aber manchmal frage ich mich, wie doof man sein muss bezüglich der beiden F94, also, es wirkt manchmal wie eine plumpe Ausrede, weil der Normalo, der sich das dann durchliest im Normalfall eh keine ahnung hat und eben das glauben "muss" was da steht. Ich will auch nicht in Verschwörungen abdriften, aber was ist das denn jetzt nun? Gab es jemals mal irgendetwas nicht-irdisches, oder hat man sich Jahrzehnte lang nur etwas vorgemacht? :(
Wohl als Ausdruck dafür wie phänomenal schwer es selbst für die Eigentümer der Flugzeuge sein kann, ihre eigenen Gerätschaften durch Bildanalysten auf einem Video wiederzuerkennen.
Inv3rt schrieb:Dazu fällt mir spontan das Video um die zwei F94 von Nick Mariana aus 1950 einIn der Aufnahme sieht es zumindest wirklich nur wie zwei irdische Flugzeuge aus. Was hat sie so hervorgehoben? Waren sie schneller als gewöhnlich?
Kephalopyr schrieb:Was hat sie so hervorgehoben? Waren sie schneller als gewöhnlich?Nein.
Kephalopyr schrieb:Gab es jemals mal irgendetwas nicht-irdischesda denke ich, dass es niemals etwas aus dieser richtung auf erden gegeben hat!
Kephalopyr schrieb:oder hat man sich Jahrzehnte lang nur etwas vorgemacht? :(nicht "man" macht anderen etwas vor, sondern eine bestimmte gruppe von leuten
Kephalopyr schrieb:Auf Disney+ ist eine 6-teilige Dokureihe zu Ufo-Fällen, die jeweils ne Stunde gehen und im ersten Video kam das mit Hessdalen vor. Es sah überzeugend und mysteriös aus, aber auf Wikipedia steht, dass es sich höchstwahrscheinlich um irgendein irdisches, seltenes Phänomen handeltMja an so Formaten auf Disney, History usw kannste mMn gleich einen Haken dranmachen und die Zeit besser mit Recherchen im Internet verbringen. Rausgeworfenes Geld und vermittelt aus praktischen Gründen der Unterhaltung kein naturwissenschaftliches Grundlagenwissen.
Kephalopyr schrieb:Ich weiß, dass man Ufos nicht gleich als etwas extraterrestrisches identifizieren sollte, aber machen wir uns dann nicht einfach nur etwas vor?Weiß ich nicht, ob wir uns da was vormachen.
Kephalopyr schrieb:Damals kam diese Spekulation mit Außerirdischen ja einfach hinzu, aber was ist wenn damals schon das erste Ufo von Anfang an NUR irgendein irdisches Fluggerät war?Dann wurden Außerirdsiche - oder der Glaube daran - auf UFOs oder irdische Fluggeräte projiziert und manche Menschen haben aus der Neugier für das Besondere vielleicht etwas über die Naturwissenschaften gelernt, indem sie ihre eigenen Claims überprüft und diskutiert haben.
Kephalopyr schrieb:Aber glaubst du das? Es gibt ja(wie Hessdalen) so einige Erklärungsversuche die man bereits nachlesen kann, die dann auf Wikipedia zu dem jeweiligen Vorfall enthalten sind, aber manchmal frage ich mich, wie doof man sein muss bezüglich der beiden F94, also, es wirkt manchmal wie eine plumpe Ausrede, weil der Normalo, der sich das dann durchliest im Normalfall eh keine ahnung hat und eben das glauben "muss" was da steht.Erstmal vorweg. Bitte nicht den Faulheitsfehler von mir übernehmen. Die Schreibweise ist F-94. Der Bindestrich gehört dazwischen.
Inv3rt schrieb:Nein.Kannst du es lassen mir irgendeine "Faulheit" zu unterstellen? Ich lese mir keinen Fall so viel genauer durch, wenn es vorab schon wieder heißt, dass es eh nur irgendwelche F94 waren!
Du kannst dir den Fall aber auch gerne vollständig (und übersetzt) durchlesen, damit ich nicht jedes Detail aus Faulheit verkürzt wiedergeben muss, welches für das Gesamtbild wichtig wäre und warum der Fall immernoch diskutiert wird.
Alienp. schrieb:nicht "man" macht anderen etwas vor, sondern eine bestimmte gruppe von leutenVermutlich wird deshalb noch immer über bestimmte Vorfälle diskutiert.
hält dieses thema am leben um bücher, videos und sonst etwas über's thema zu bringen.
Inv3rt schrieb:Rausgeworfenes Geld und vermittelt aus praktischen Gründen der Unterhaltung kein naturwissenschaftliches Grundlagenwissen.Kommt ja drauf an ob man sich solche Videos ohne oder mit Grundlagenwissen anschaut.
Inv3rt schrieb:Weiß ich nicht, ob wir uns da was vormachen.Wenn du die Geschichte zur Entstehung der Annahme von Außerirdischen im Bezug auf den Begriff "Ufo" kennst, dann weißt du dass etwas vorgemacht wurde und seitens der Behörden NIE die Annahme von Außerirdischen in den Raum gestellt wurde.
Inv3rt schrieb:Dann wurden Außerirdsiche - oder der Glaube daran - auf UFOs oder irdische Fluggeräte projiziert und manche Menschen haben aus der Neugier für das Besondere vielleicht etwas über die Naturwissenschaften gelernt, indem sie ihre eigenen Claims überprüft und diskutiert haben.Es gibt noch Heute jene, die da Aliens hineininterpretieren oder gar den Behörden unterstellen. Scheint also nicht jeder was daraus gelernt zu haben.
Inv3rt schrieb:Die Schreibweise ist F-94. Der Bindestrich gehört dazwischen.Es weiß jeder was gemeint ist. Das ist jetzt nun vollkommen irrelevant ob mit oder ohne Strich.
Inv3rt schrieb:Wenn es diesen Hoax nicht gab, wurden kritische Teile des Materials kassiert. So oder so lässt sich das nichtmehr herausfinden, denn sonst wüssten wir es bereits.Vielleicht könnte das manchmal auch ne bewusste Absicht sein, um eben irgendwelche Geschichten in die Welt setzen zu können, damit man etwas falsches hineininterpretieren und drüber reden kann. So bleiben jene Leute ja interessant und mysteriös. Gesprächsthema. Vielleicht ging es Demjenigen einfach ums Prinzip dass man das Video kürzer machte als es ursprünglich war und man sieht auf den übrigen Sekunden auch nicht viel mehr als sonst.