MJ~Leben u. Sterben~u das Geschehen danach!

@ghost777
ohhh wie niedlich der Richter macht ein Nickerchen hihi

@ghost777

habe es nicht gefunden ... Danke, das ist toll :D :D :D

@CosmicQueen

Dr. Steven Shafer - Anästhesie Experte

@FaIrIeFlOwEr @ghost777
Aha, ein Experte der Anästhesie...danke :D

@CosmicQueen


Dr. Steven Shafer ist Propofol expert

@FaIrIeFlOwEr
Finde ein seeeeeeeehr wichtiger Zeuge

@FaIrIeFlOwEr
Ach nur für Propofol....na der wird ja wissen von was er spricht. :D

@FaIrIeFlOwEr
@CosmicQueen
@FunnyKerstin

Pikantes Detail:
Dr. Steven Shafer war Schüler von Dr. Paul White, auch Vater des Propofols genannt, u. der von der Verteidigung als Experte aufgerufen werden wird.

http://www.mjackson.net/forum/showthread.php?15248-13.10.11-12.-Tag-.........-Diskussion/page7

@CosmicQueen

CosmicQueen schrieb:Ach nur für Propofol....na der wird ja wissen von was er spricht.

natürlich nicht nur ... :D :D


Dr. Steven Shafer MD practices anesthesiology in Stanford, California. Dr. Shafer graduated with an MD 28 years ago.
http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-steven-shafer-2cx78


http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Steven_Shafer.html

was nun? Wohl gleich Lunchbreak :D

@FaIrIeFlOwEr @ghost777
Auf jeden Fall, kennt sich der Mann in seinem Fach sehr gut aus und weiß von was er spricht. ;D

@FaIrIeFlOwEr
@CosmicQueen
@FunnyKerstin


Ämmm Ende ??

@ghost777
sieht so aus hmmmm der hält seinen vortrag

@CosmicQueen
@ghost777
@FunnyKerstin


ja, es geht am Montag weiter ... warum, habe ich nicht ganz verstanden ... :D

@ghost777
Ja, heute ist Schluss...am Montag geht es weiter...Irgendwelche Jurymitglieder sind nicht da, oder können nicht länger, soweit ich das jetzt verstanden habe.

@CosmicQueen


Dankööööööööööööö :D :D

Michael Jackson Manslaughter Trial: Conrad Murray's Treatment "Absolutely Incomprehensible"

13. Oktober 2011 - 11:00 von Gina Serpe

UPDATE 12:15 p.m.: Shafer briefly discussed his role in establishing propofol dosage guidelines and noted that if yuo start sedation too quickly, the patient will rapidly reach toxicity. "You need to have a little more mathematics in order to handle it." While this would ordinarily be the time that court takes its lunch recess, due to scheduling conflicts with Shafer, the final witness, court will not be in session this afternoon or tomorrow, and the trial has recessed until Monday morning.

UPDATE 11:30 a.m.: Prosecution has called Shafer, its final witness, to the stand.

UPDATE 10:50 a.m.: Kamangar talks about some of Jackson's symptoms and the importance of constant monitoring and assessments: "If you are bold enough to have the lack of judgment to use propofol in this setting, it is incumbent on you" to ensure any lasting effects are not from the sedative. Flanagan is arguing that the effects of propofol had likely worn off the morning of Jackson's death, and that his continued sleeping was a natural state.

UPDATE 10:25 a.m.: Kamangar testifies that, based on his medical history, Jackson likely suffered from insomnia and been treated for the condition by numerous doctors over the years. He also confirms that Jackson was receiving demerol shots from Dr. Arnold Klein, and that Murray should have been able to ascertain that based on Jackson's slurred speech and other physical manifestations. "In a home setting, it is absolutely incomprehensible and unacceptable" to use propofol, he added, further noting that to treat his insomnia and anxiety with lorazepam, as Murray did, would be like "a fire that is out of control, but just sprinkling water on it."

UPDATE 9:20 a.m.: Murray's defender J. Michael Flanagan pressed Kamangar as to whether or not Murray's complete failure to document Michael's condition or make medical notes affected his treatment, asking if his lack of note-taking is really what killed Jackson. Kamangar said that it obviously couldn't have helped, and said documentation is not an afterthought but a necessity when treating patients and to not do so is yet another example of an extreme deviation from the standard of care.

He did agree with Flanagan, however, that it was a mix of both propofol and lorazepam that ultimately killed Jackson.

How do you top a bombshell day in court? Well, you can't, but you can bow out while you're ahead, which is exactly what the prosecution in the Michael Jackson involuntary manslaughter trial may try and do.

Just two witnesses remain on their list for their case against Conrad Murray, and one of them, sleep expert and pulmonary critical care doc Nader Kamangar, will resume his testimony begun yesterday when court kicks off this morning. The prosecution's final witness is expected to be Dr. Steven Shafer, a researcher and professor and—here's the rub—an expert in propofol.

As always, E! Online will be streaming all the courtroom action all day long, starting at 8:45 a.m. PT.

(Originally published on Oct. 13, 2011 at 8:40 a.m. PT)

http://de.eonline.com/news/watch_live_day_12_of_michael_jackson/269193

@CosmicQueen
hattest du , als der Richter sich verabschiedet hatte, auch kurz Prince verstanden ????

Könnte es sein, dass da ein Termin angesetzt ist, wo Prince als Zeuge aussagt ????
Nur der Richter und dann im Beisein eines Psychiaters ... und unter Ausschluß der Öffentlichkeit ???

oder möchte man abklären, ob eine Zeugenaussage sinnvoll ist ...


RADAR LIVE: Michael Jackson Death Trial — Talkback, News & Opinion Live

Posted on Oct 13, 2011 @ 07:30AM

By Radar Staff



RadarOnline.com will be broadcasting a LIVE pod-cast at 12:30 p.m. PT/3:30 p.m. ET to provide up-to-the minute news, analysis and commentary about what’s been dubbed the Trial of the Century -- the People Vs. Dr. Conrad Murray.

Radar Live's special guest on Thursday, October 13, 2011 will be Dr. Charles Sophy, a board certified psychiatrist specializing in adolescence. Dr. Sophy will be addressing the possibility of Michael Jackson's oldest son, Prince, being called by the prosecution as a rebuttal witness.

Radar Legal Editor Jen Heger will be joined by Star’s Senior Executive Editor Dylan Howard for RADAR LIVE.

You too can take a stand on the issues discussed by our panel as we take your calls about the trial, as all the drama unfolds.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/10/conrad-murray-trial-dr-charles-sophy-prince-jackson

@CosmicQueen


ach, ich sehe gerade ... da bringe ich etwas durcheinander ... dieser Psychiater ist special guest bei Radar Live's ... hahaha

man sollte doch erst mal lesen ... hahaha

People vs. Dr. Conrad Murray
Sleep Doc:
Murray Was Experimenting On MJ
Sleep Expert -- Dr. Nader Kamangar Testifies
Updated 10/13/11 at 8:45 AM



Dr. Nadar Kamangar -- a sleep expert who testified yesterday Murray's treatment of MJ was "unethical" and "disturbing" -- had some more harsh words for the doc today ... telling prosecutors Murray was essentially using the King of Pop as his own personal Guinea pig.

Kamangar -- who is an adviser for the CA Medical Board -- said Murray conducted what amounts to an "experiment" on the singer by administering a powerful and unpredictable anesthetic to treat insomnia.

* Dr. Kamangar told the court insomnia is a common problem in the ICU ... he said he uses Propofol on a daily basis.
* Kamangar said Propofol should be used with extreme caution because it can be unpredictable, especially when used with other sedatives.
* He said Murray's treatment of Michael Jackson amounted to "gross negligence."
* According to Kamangar , Murray should have never given MJ any sedatives because he was dehydrated ... which means his blood pressure was already low.
* He also said Murray's failure to call 911 was an "unconscionable deviation of care" adding, Murray wasted critical time calling MJ's assistant instead of calling 911.
* Kamangar told the court Murray broke one of the first rules of medicine -- putting your patient first -- when he witheld information from ER docs.
* He also said Murray behaved unethically when he chose to ignore "clear signs" of MJ's drug addiction.

SSleep Expert -- Dr. Nader Kamangar Testifies, Day 2
Updated 10/13/11 at 8:45 AM[/b]



Dr. Kamangar took the stand again today to continue his testimony, insisting he would never cave to a patient's drug demands.

* Kamangar told defense attorney Michael Flanagan the drugs MJ took were a "recipe for disaster," saying the cocktail of meds caused MJ death.
* He called Murray's failure to chart "an egregious violation" and a contributing factor in the singer's death.
* Kamangar told defense lawyers MJ seemed to have clear signs of insomnia triggered by "secondary causes" such as anxiety or drug addiction.
* Kamangar also said Murray should have ruled out other possible problems that could have caused MJ's insomnia before loading him up with a boatful of drugs.
* He told the court, the first thing Murray should have done was to have MJ write a "sleep diary" to figure out what the underlying problem was.
* Flanagan asked Kamangar about a study showing Propofol is safe to use for insomnia. Kamangar said the study was done in a monitored area after secondary problems have been ruled out ... he insisted it's incomprehensible to use Propofol at home.
* Kamangar said using Lorazepam to treat insomnia is inappropriate.
* Kamangar told Flanagan that -- based on the transcripts from the police interview -- he believed Murray gave MJ 25 mg of Propofol PLUS an additional unspecified amount through an IV drip on June 25.
* Kamanger said Murray subjected MJ to an experiment by giving him Propofol to treat his insomnia.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/12/conrad-murray-trial-michael-jackson-trial-propofol-dead-manslaughter-nadar-kamangar/#continued