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27.07.2013 um 13:53
@FaIrIeFlOwEr
schade, dachte der Klein hat auf Debbies Wutanfälle reagiert.
Schließlich bekriegt sich Debbie auch mit Marc Lester via Twitter.

Wir sind ja schlimmer als die Boulevardpresse. :D


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27.07.2013 um 13:57
@Sylvina
Zitat von SylvinaSylvina schrieb:Werden die gefragt, ob sie möchten oder wie läuft das bei denen ab? Da bekommt man ja Zweifel.
Oder können die Zeugen selbst entscheiden, weil das "nur" ein Zivilprozess ist. Im Strafprozess bleibt ja keine Wahl, da muß jeder ob er will oder nicht.
neee, ich denke, es ist da mit den Zeugen, genau so wie bei uns ... wenn man geladen wird, können nur triftige Gründe gelten, dass man nicht bei Gericht erscheinen bzw. sogar nicht mal aussagen muß ...
egal ob Straf- oder Zivilprozess ...

klar, wenn das Gericht keine Ladungsgültige Anschrift hat, kann die Zeugenladung doch nicht zugestellt werden ...


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27.07.2013 um 13:59
@FaIrIeFlOwEr
d.h. die Grace ist obdachlos? Na die Jacksons werden doch wohl wissen, wo die Grace wohnt.


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27.07.2013 um 14:23
@Sylvina
Zitat von SylvinaSylvina schrieb:d.h. die Grace ist obdachlos? Na die Jacksons werden doch wohl wissen, wo die Grace wohnt.
in den USA gibt es leider kein so "genaues" Meldewesen, wie bei uns ... daher ist es wohl etwas schwieriger, an eine gültige Anschrift zu kommen ...
ich gehe auch davon aus, dass die Jacksons sehr wohl wissen, wie man Grace erreichen kann und das auch am Wohnort ...

mal sehen, ob sie ne Anschrift über ihren Anwalt ans Gericht weiter geben werden ...


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27.07.2013 um 14:31
@FaIrIeFlOwEr
ja ich weiß, dort kann man untertauchen, bis man mal auffällig wird. :D
Ich denke eher, die Grace will nicht vor Gericht aussagen und die Jacksons wollen sie nicht verärgern, weil sie zu viel weiß.
Aber angeblich waren die doch alle gar nicht gut auf sie zu sprechen, weil sie ja angeblich Michael manipuliert hat. Glaube ich eh nicht, weil der Michael sie dann bestimmt abserviert hätte und zwar richtig.


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27.07.2013 um 14:32
@Sylvina
Zitat von SylvinaSylvina schrieb:schade, dachte der Klein hat auf Debbies Wutanfälle reagiert.
Schließlich bekriegt sich Debbie auch mit Marc Lester via Twitter.
sie hat Arnie jetzt aber nicht direkt angeschrieben ... :D :D vielleicht hat sie darauf verzichtet, schließlich soll sie ja noch in den Zeugenstand treten, da macht sich das Twittern nicht so gut ... hihihi
Zitat von SylvinaSylvina schrieb:Wir sind ja schlimmer als die Boulevardpresse. :D
na, da können wir doch glatt mithalten ... das ist jahrelanges Training ... hahahahaha


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27.07.2013 um 14:36
@FaIrIeFlOwEr
Hahaha - der war gut!
Jahrelanges Training! So, da kann ich Dir ja auch verraten, daß mich schon interessieren würde, was der Murray für eine Atombombo in petto hat. Bin ganz neugierig, ich will das wissen und ich würde, falls wir es erfahren, auch gern die Gesichter der Gedissten sehen wollen.
Eben total Klatschpresse-mäßig.


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28.07.2013 um 08:58
@Sylvina
Zitat von SylvinaSylvina schrieb:So, da kann ich Dir ja auch verraten, daß mich schon interessieren würde, was der Murray für eine Atombombo in petto hat. Bin ganz neugierig, ich will das wissen und ich würde, falls wir es erfahren, auch gern die Gesichter der Gedissten sehen wollen.
Eben total Klatschpresse-mäßig.
Hahaha, ich bin auch neugierig und würde gerne erfahren, was Murrays angebliches Geheimnis ist, welches wie eine Bombe, neee, noch schlimmer, wie eine Atombombe, einschlagen würde, wenn AEG Live und die Jacksons davon überrascht werden … es könnte so vieles sein, denn Murray dürfte noch viele Tonaufnahmen von MJ gemacht haben, während MJ durch Medis “beeinträchtigt” war und preisgab, was bestimmt nicht öffentlich breitgetreten werden sollte …

Murray hatte ja nun genug Zeit, sein angebliches Wissen gedanklich entsprechend “auszuschmücken” … und der Zeitpunkt seiner voraussichtlichen Freilassung, ist ja bereits seit seiner Verurteilung bekannt … also auch keine Überraschung mehr … :D :D :D denn da wird mit Murray verfahren, wie mit zig anderen im Knast Einsitzenden … :D :D :D


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28.07.2013 um 09:12
und auch die Medien scheinen ja völlig überrascht zu sein, weil Murray bald das Gefängnis verlassen darf ... haben die damals alles "verschlafen" ?????



Michael Jacksons Todes-Arzt bald in Freiheit!

Wegen 'guter Führung' darf er vorzeitig aus dem Knast

27.07.2013 | Sladjana


Vor zwei Jahren musste Conrad Murray, 60, seine Haftstrafe antreten; er wurde wegen fahrlässiger Tötung an Michael Jacksons verurteilt. Der ehemalige Leibarzt des 2009 mit 50 Jahren verstorbenen "King of Pops" wird für seinen Tod verantwortlich gemacht - er soll Jacko eine Überdosis des Narkosemittels Propofold verabreicht haben, was letztendlich zum tödlichen Herzstillstand führte.

Ursprünglich wurde Murray zu vier Jahren im Gefängnis verurteilt, aber jetzt soll er den Knast vorzeitig verlassen dürfen! Eine Quelle verriet "The Mirror":

"Er ist ein vorbildlicher Insasse und die Verantwortlichen haben ihm auf Grund von guter Führung und den überfüllten kalifornischen Gefängnisse eine vorzeitige Entlassung gewährt." Murray soll in seiner Einzelzelle einen Fernseher und ein Mobiltelefon gehabt haben.

Am 28. Oktober lebt er wieder in Freiheit.

Jacksons hinterbliebene Angehörige sind mit dieser Entscheidung nicht einverstanden. Sie sollen Murray als den Mörder ihres Sohnes und Vaters ansehen.

"Dass er nach nur zwei Jahren entlassen werden soll, ist für sie eine Beleidigung", sagt ein Nahestender. Michaels Mutter Katherine Jackson, 83, kann die Neuigkeiten nicht fassen:

"Ich werde meinen Sohn nie wieder sehen können. Seine Mutter kann ihn wiedersehen", wird sie vom "Daily Mirror" zitiert.

Im AEG-Prozess klagt Katherine auch, weil der Konzern Murray engagiert haben soll, ohne sich vorher über den Arzt informiert zu haben. Murray verweigert eine Aussage.

http://www.ok-magazin.de/people/news/19596/michael-jacksons-todes-arzt-bald-in-freiheit-

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http://www.stern.de/lifestyle/leute/arzt-von-michael-jackson-conrad-murray-soll-frueher-aus-der-haft-entlassen-werden-2043736.html


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28.07.2013 um 09:27
Dr. Conrad Murray: Haftentlassung wegen guter Führung

Jacksons „Todesarzt“ kommt vorzeitig frei

Und droht mit der Veröffentlichung von „Familiengeheimnissen“

28.07.2013 - 02:41 Uhr


Schockierende Neuigkeiten für die Jackson-Familie: Dr. Conrad Murray, der Michael Jackson das tödliche Narkosemittel Propofol spritzte, ihn mit Drogen versorgte, wird vorzeitig aus der Haft entlassen.

Im November 2011 war Murray wegen Todschlages zu einer vierjährigen Haftstrafe verurteilt wurde, soll nun aber schon im Oktober wieder ein freier Mann sein!


Der Grund für die vorzeitige Entlassung nach noch nicht einmal der Hälfte der Haftzeit: gute Führung.

Für Michael Jacksons Mutter Katherine ist Murrays drohende Freilassung ein Schlag ins Gesicht. „Das ist nicht richtig! Ich werde meinen Sohn nie wieder sehen können. Seine Mutter kann ihn wiedersehen", sagte sie dem englischen „Mirror“. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/michael-jacksons-killer-doctor-conrad-2094234

Katherine Jackson hält Murray für den Mörder ihres Sohnes



Für die trauernde Jackson-Mutter ist Murray der Mörder ihres Sohnes. Ein Insider sagte dem „Daily Mirror“: „Er hat der Familie einen Sohn und Vater genommen. Dass er jetzt nach zwei Jahren schon wieder rauskommt, ist ein Affront. Sie finden noch immer, er sollte wegen Mordes belangt werden“.

Katherine Jackson selbst habe zwar gewusst, dass ihr Sohn Medikamente nehme. Dass er abhängig gewesen sei, habe er ihr aber verschwiegen, so die 83-Jährige damals im Zivilprozess um den Tod des „King of Pop“ in Los Angeles.

„Murray hätte nein sagen können, als Jackson ihn nach neuen Medikamenten gefragt hat“, befand Katherine Jackson. Ihr Sohn sei süchtig gewesen und trage keine Schuld an seinem eigenen Tod, sagte sie unter Tränen.

Katherine Jacksons fordert mehr als eine Milliarde Dollar (760 Millionen Euro) Schadensersatz von der Konzertagentur AEG, die Murray unter Vertrag genommen hatte.

Jackson soll seit den 1980er-Jahren süchtig gewesen sein



Dabei soll Michael Jackson bereits seit Anfang der 1980er-Jahre ein Drogen-Problem gehabt haben. Das behauptet jedenfalls der Schauspieler Scott Thorson. Der 54-Jährige will 1982 eine kurze Affäre mit dem „King of Pop“ gehabt haben, berichtet die „Sun“. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/5036605/michael-jackson-gay-fling-liberace-lover.html (Archiv-Version vom 30.07.2013)

Die Liaison sei nur von kurzer Dauer gewesen. Michael hätte zu der Zeit gerade vor seinem großen Durchbruch mit dem Album „Thriller“ gestanden. „Sein Management dachte wohl, dass es am besten wäre, wenn wir unsere Beziehung nicht weiter vertiefen“, so Thorson. Angeblich seien Jackson und er aber bis zu seinem Tod gute Freunde geblieben. „Es war sehr traurig. Und es zeigt einmal mehr, was diese Schönheitschirurgen mit einem anstellen - oder jeder andere x-beliebige Arzt.“


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Murray soll der Jackson-Familie gedroht haben



Der Prozess dürfte spannend bleiben. Angeblich soll der ehemalige Leibarzt der Jackson-Familie aus dem Gefängnis heraus gedroht haben. Wenn sie ihn zwingen vor Gericht auszusagen, werde er enthüllen, wie Jacksons Beziehung zu seiner Familie wirklich gewesen ist.

In seinem eigenen Strafprozess hatte der Arzt geschwiegen. Wie lange der Schadensersatzprozess dauern wird, ist unklar.

http://www.bild.de/unterhaltung/leute/michael-jackson/leibarzt-conrad-murray-wird-vorzeitig-entlassen-31564068.bild.html


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28.07.2013 um 09:34
Michael Jackson's family fury over doc release

MICHAEL JACKSON'S doctor is to be freed less than two years after being ­convicted of killing the King of Pop.

By Peter Dyke/Published 27th July 2013


And the decision has enraged the Thriller star’s family.

Conrad Murray will be released from Los Angeles County Jail on ­October 28, 23 months after he was sentenced to four years for the involuntary manslaughter of Jacko.

Murray, 60, gave the singer an injection of the anaesthetic propofol, which killed him in 2009 at the age of 50.

A family source said yesterday: “Murray is the killer of Michael in their eyes. For him to get out in two years is an insult. He was found guilty of killing Michael and should stay there.”


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Michael Jackson's family are said to be furious at the decision



Mum Katherine, 83, said: “It is not right I will never be able to see my son again while his mother can see him.”

Murray has also angered the Jacksons for refusing to give evidence in their £26billion lawsuit against concert bosses AEG, who hired him as Jackson’s personal physician.

Murray has served his time in solitary confinement for his own safety.

A source close to ­him said: “Murray will be released on October 28.

“He has been a model inmate and the authorities have granted him an early release due to good behaviour and the overcrowded jail system.”

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/328934/Michael-Jackson-s-family-fury-over-doc-release

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http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/katherine-jackson-angry-conrad-murray-being-released-prison-early/


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28.07.2013 um 10:12
Quelle: MJJC ~ Eintrag #59 ~ User: Ivy
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/129265-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG-Live-Daily-Trial-Testimony-Summary/page4




Jacksons vs AEG - Day 56 – July 25 2013 – Summary

(source : ABC7 unless otherwise indicated)

Katherine Jackson is in court.

Outside the presence of the jury, Jacksons' attorney Brian Panish expressed concern about next witness. Nurse and anesthetist David Fournie had conversation with Dr. Klein and defendants want to introduce that conversation in the testimony. Fournier is performing anesthesia in MJ, there's a situation that arises, Kathryn Cahan said. 'Oh, he has a Narcan implant,' Dr. Klein allegedly told Fournier, who then directs Fournier how to treat MJ. Panish said this was in 2003. He claims it's character evidence, that MJ never disclosed it to the nurse. He also claims to be hearsay. Judge asked sides to research if the conversation would be considered exception to the hearsay rule. Bina said Fournier didn't know what to do, he asked the doctor and changed the treatment. She said MJ admitted he had an implant after. Cahan: He's administered anesthesia, MJ stopped breathing for 5 minutes, Fournier had to breath for him. Cahan: That continues until he realizes there's a reaction to Narcan implant. Panish asked what the relevance is, said defendants are trying to introduce character evidence, which has nothing to do with this case. Cahan said the relevance is that Fournier asked MJ about changes from prior treatment. Cahan: MJ knew he had a Narcan implant and chose not to disclose it. He stopped breathing for 5 minutes in the middle of the procedure. Cahan said it goes to the issues of life expectancy, addiction issue, concealment of drug use. Judge is overruling the objection since she thinks it's been offered for the truth and it's hearsay. Defendants not allowed to use it.


David Fournier (nurse anesthetist) Testimony


AEG direct

Kathryn Cahan did direct examination of David Fournier. Fournier said he's terrified of testifying today. He's testified twice before.

He is a Certified registered nurse anesthetist, trained in the specialty of anesthesia. He did Bachelor Degree in Nursing and Master's Degree in Anesthesia. There's a board exam that need to be taken, Fournier did very well. There's a number of hours of continuing education needed to maintain license. Anesthesiologist gets bachelor degree in science, then medical school. Nurse anesthetist goes 2 nursing school, then same training as doctor. Fournier graduated in 1984 from UCLA, has been practicing continuously since that time. He's self-employed, works at outpatient surgery in Beverly Hills; works with plastic, reconstructive, orthopedics, gynecological surgeries

Fournier said he got a call in 1992 from a dermatologist's office, asked him to come by, stand by, didn't tell him who the client was. Doctor had a concern there might be anaphylactic reaction to inoculations. Fournier: I initially refused, I don't do that, doctor was very insistent, offered me cash upfront. "He said it was really important for me to go, since it was Michael Jackson," Fournier recalled. Fournier said the doctor was very concerned, didn't want anything to go wrong. Airway management is one of his skills, Fournier said.
Three to six months later, Fournier recalled he was called back to treat MJ. This was in Jan 1993.

Most of the records were destroyed due to time limit, Fournier said. Last time he treated Michael was in 2003, about 6 yrs before his death. He treated MJ for about 10 years. Fournier said he does not have all the records of his treatment to Michael Jackson, but has some. Fournier gave a deposition in this case. He provided the medical records he had pursuant to a subpoena. Fournier said he believes the standard is 7 years before a physician destroys a patient's record.

Some of the times I did not give him medication, just observed him, Fournier said. Fournier estimates he treated MJ 30-35 times, anesthesia perhaps 25 times.

Cahan showed a medical history form and anesthetic consent.
Weight: 130 lbs -- Date: 1/19/2000

Fournier said he always asks height and weight of patients and if he thinks the weight is off, he puts patient on scale. Michael had a number of aliases, Omar Arnold was one of them, Fournier said. MJ said he weighed 130 lbs in January of 2000. Fournier said he probably accepted MJ's representation. Weight is a factor in anesthesia, Fournier said. It gives a very rough estimate where to start the dosage. Fournier: I think he weighed between 130 and 140 pounds during the 10 years I treated him.

Cahan: Did he have a good appetite?
Fournier: Not really. I would ask him what he had to eat last and he would say lunch the day before

One time Fournier said he asked why MJ was down to 130 lbs. He said the singer told him he had been on tour, dancing.
Cahan asked if it concerned him that MJ was 130 lbs.
Fournier: No, he's lean, muscular, in good shape, so no

Fournier explained all the questions he asks the patient before giving anesthesia: medical history, medications, etc. The nurse said that if it's a regular patient, he would still take medical history, but it would be abbreviated. Fournier said he always took MJ's medical history prior to procedures.

The nurse worked on MJ at the following procedures: scalp reduction for burn he suffered, abscessed tooth, root canal, extensive tattooing on his lips, eyes, brown area, Botox, collagen and filler injections

Cahan: Do you frequently anesthetize patients receiving Botox or fillers?
Fournier: No

Fournier: Michael was special in that. Instead of 5 or 6 injections that people normally get, MJ would get 50-100. MJ got 100s of injections around the eye, various parts of his face. It's more than average patients, needed to be sedated to tolerate pain.

Fournier has been using Propofol since 1990. It's appropriate to use the drug mostly in operating room and/or controlled setting, he said. Equipment needed for Safe Administration of Propofol: Ambu bag and mask, Assorted airway equipment, Laryngoscope blade, Laryngeal mask, Endotracheal tube ready to go, Available source of oxygen, EKG, Capnograph, Ability to measure blood pressure, Pulse oximeter, IV access and IV fluids, Resuscitation Drugs, Continuos monitoring

Fournier said to keep patient sedated you also need computerizing infusion. It's a more controlled way to administer drugs rather than drip. Depending on the dose, the patient can breath on his own, Fournier said. Fournier read the label of Diprivan (brand name for Propofol). He said monitoring the patient is a full time job.

All the equipments needed are very expensive, Fournier said. He had about $70,000 invested in his operating room. "Every time we give anesthetic there's a potential for reaction," Fournier said. Propofol is not available in pill form and is not given as prescription to patients because it's an anesthetic, dangerous, Fournier said. If the drug is not in proper hands, administered with proper monitoring, it's dangerous, Fournier explained. Fournier said Propofol half life is 2-8 minutes. It metabolizes relatively quickly, patients wake up feeling well, there's anti-nausea in it The nurse said Propofol burns if not given correctly, can cause hypertension.

Cahan said she counted 14 different occasions where Fournier administered Propofol to MJ. He has record for 2000, 2002 and 2003 only. From 1993 to 2000, there are no medical records. He said he believes he gave MJ Propofol in 2001, but does not have records. He said he did not administer anesthetics after September 2003.

Fournier said his incomplete medical records show he administered propofol to Jackson at least 14 times between 2000 and 2003. He estimated he gave the singer the drug numerous other times over the years for a variety of cosmetic and dental procedures.He noted in his records that Jackson had a high tolerance for certain drugs, which Fournier said could be attributed to a variety of factors, including genetics. (AP)

Medical record from 4/11/02:
Omar Arnold
Weight: 132 lbs
Dr. Koplin
Multiple collagen injections
Additional drugs given -- Propofol 140 mg

Fournier: The street name (of Propofol) is "milk of amnesia." One time I remember he (MJ) referred to it as "milk."

Fournier said MJ was very warm, likable guy and they became friends. He visited Neverland twice.

MJ never told him he was using Propofol to help sleep. Fournier said he never used Propofol to treat a patient for insomnia.

The nurse said he had trouble some times placing IV on Michael Jackson. He said at times he would have to change places. Fournier said it required multiple attempts some times to get an IV line in MJ. "I think the most I had to stick him was 3 times," he said. Fournier explained that some times he would have to start IV on small veins on MJ on the top of his finger or surface of the arm.

Medical record from 5/13/2003 -- weight 135 lbs
difficult IV place, difficult monitoring anesthesia, high tolerance of medication
Fournier said sometimes he would go 6 months without seeing MJ, so he explained the risks of anesthesia every time.

Medical record of 11/14/2000
Weight: 130 lbs
Mentions Versed, 5 mg
Very high tolerance noted
Vitals stable

Versed is a benzodiazepine, same as Valium, Fournier explained. "He was taking a little bit more than I'd anticipate to keep him comfortable," Fournier said. Fournier's normal starting dose is 1 mg of Versed. This was a dental procedure.

The nurse cannot perform any procedure without a doctor present.

Doctors MJ saw:
- Dr. Arnold Klein (dermatologist)
- Dr. Stephen Hoefflin (plastic surgery)
- Dr. Allan Metzger (internist)
- Dr. Lawrence Koplin (plastic surgery)
- Dr. Edward "Lee" Baxley (dentist)
- Dr. Leslie Levine (dentist)
- Dr. Lee Bosley (hair restoration)
- Dr. Gary Tearston (plastic reconstructive surgery)

Fournier said it is not appropriate to give Propofol in a home setting. He would never allow a patient to dictate how to give anesthesia.

MJ was very concerned about his privacy, Fournier said. He could not even go shopping without being disguised. "He loved people, but people could be overbearing sometimes," Fournier explained. Fournier said MJ would have procedures done in the evening, came in the back door, bodyguards used umbrella to shield the camera. MJ used aliases, before he left they looked outside to see if paparazzi were not there. Other aliases MJ used: Michael James, Jack James. "Procedures were done at night to protect his privacy and for his safety," Fournier said.

Cahan: Was there a time you didn't think MJ was being truthful with you?
Fournier: Towards the end of our working relationship, yes

Medical records from 6/02/2003
Problems:
Denies any medical or medication changes
Three days ago slurred speech, heard on the phone

Fournier said 3 days before the procedure it was his birthday and MJ called to wish happy birthday. "His speech was slurred," the nurse said. Fournier testified Michael told him he was tired, or might've take something to sleep. "He was more than tired, he was slurring the words," Fournier said. "I assumed something was going on." Fournier said he quizzed MJ about the slurred speech, if he was using recreational drugs. He denied it, said he was not using anything.

Medical record from 6/02/03:
Dr. Klein
Multiple derm procedures
Weight: 140 lbs

At some point MJ had an unusual reaction, Fournier said. Fournier: I controlled his ventilation 4 couple of minutes, it happened again, I lightened him up, assisted one more time w/ his breathing. Fournier said Dr. Klein told him something during the procedure and that they spoke after about it. MJ did not tell Fournier about any recent changes in his medication, according to Fournier's chart.
Cahan: Did you form an impression after this procedure whether MJ was being honest with you denying any change of medication?
Fournier: My impression is that he had not been truthful

Fournier: The last time I treated MJ, a few months after, he came to surgery center. He was a little goofy, a little slow to respond. Fournier: I asked if there were any changes in medication, he denied it, I didn't believe it, we canceled the procedure. "He was acting inappropriate," Fournier recalled. He said he believes the procedure was with Dr. Klein and another doctor to do facial work. Fournier said he felt uncomfortable. This was about 3 months after the last procedure.

Judge: Was Dr. Klein there?
Fournier: Yes
Judge: And he didn't stop the procedure?
Fournier: Michael came in and I made the decision

Michael Jackson had a high tolerance for certain drugs and wasn't always forthcoming with his medical history, a nurse anesthetist who treated the singer testified Thursday. Witness David Fournier told jurors he had worked with Jackson for a decade until the relationship ended in 2003, when Fournier refused to participate in a medical procedure.Jackson was acting "goofy" and was slow to respond to standard questions before a scheduled cosmetic surgery that was canceled after Fournier refused to administer an anesthetic, he said. The incident came a few months after Fournier said he had to help Jackson breath while undergoing another procedure and later determined that Jackson had not disclosed a new medical condition. "He wasn't honest with me," Fournier said without detailing the change in Jackson.At the time, Jackson had an implant in his abdomen to block the effects of Demerol and other opiate drugs. Fournier testified that he had given the singer a relatively large dose of a powerful anesthetic and needed to know how Jackson was going to react. (AP)

After that, Fournier explained what happened to their relationship. Fournier: Despite 10 years of quality of care, and taking good care of him, he (MJ) never called me back. Fournier: I felt this period here, in June (of 2003), he wasn't honest with me.

Fournier said that post-operatively they want patients to go home with an adult to keep an eye on them for 24 hours. "I told him to go home and instead of going home he went to rehearse," Fournier said. MJ sprained his ankle at rehearsal for Grammy Awards. Fournier said he tells patients after anesthesia to resume diet slowly, told MJ to go home, have crackers, soup. But he said he happened to drive by Kentucky Fried Chicken, saw MJ's limo parked. Fournier tapped at the window and saw MJ eating a bucket of chicken and some biscuits. "He was embarrassed," Fournier said.

Fournier also testified that Jackson failed to follow his instructions in two instances after being sedated for procedures. Jackson went to a Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant for a bucket of chicken instead of going home and eating crackers, he testified. Another time he went to a rehearsal for a Grammy show performance and sprained his ankle, he said.(CNN)

Fournier said MJ became a patient in 1992-93. He said in 1993 MJ announced he was addicted to prescription medication. Every time they met, Fournier said they talked about the medications he was taking.

Cahan: Did you ever administer an opioid/painkiller in connection with a procedure?
Fournier: Yes. Fentanyl, Demerol, Dilaudid

They are controlled substances to relieve pain, Fournier said. MJ said he did not like Demerol one time, according to the nurse.
Cahan: In the last times you treated MJ, did he ask you not to use Demerol?
Fournier: Yes, he said he didn't like it, didn't want it
Cahan: Did you ever have a conversation with Mr. Jackson where he said he had a procedure to block the effects of opioids?
Fournier: No

"My understanding is that the last time he had a problem (with Demerol) was in 1993, when he announced to the world," Fournier said.
MJ never discussed Naltrexone with Fournier.

Cahan: Do you know what Narcan implant is?
Fournier: I do now, it was not FDA approved then
Cahan: Did you have conversation with Mr. Jackson about Narcan implant?
Fournier: Yes

Fournier: Subsequent to the procedure, he said he have had one but it was out, that he was clean and didn't need one. This was late August/September in 2003, after the procedure MJ stopped breathing. Fournier said the discussion was probably pre-op call before a procedure. Fournier: I had become aware of Narcan implant had been used for his care so I asked him about that.
The procedure moved forward next day, Fournier said. MJ did great.

Fournier said he was sometimes paid for his work, but sometimes it took up to a year to receive payment for care to Michael Jackson.

Fournier said he ran into MJ in 2005 at the waiting room of a doctor's office.

Jackson cross

Every instance where Jackson was given propofol was medically justified, Fournier said. The 14 times he administered it between 2000 and 2003 involved plastic surgeries, dermatological procedures and oral surgeries, he said. He first sedated Jackson in 1993 when he was being treated for serious scalp burns suffered while filming a Pepsi commercial several years earlier, he said. Some of the 25 times he was hired to assist with Jackson's procedures no drugs were given, he said. He would just hold his hand and assure him it would be all right.Jackson never asked for specific drugs and never quarreled with him, he said. All of the doctors who treated him were respected physicians, he said. Fournier's friendly relationship with Jackson ended in November 2003 when he canceled a procedure because Jackson was "a little goofy, a little slow to respond." Fournier said he refused to sedate Jackson because he suspected he was lying to him about his use of drugs. "Despite 10 years of good quality care and taking good care of him for a long period of time, he never called me," he said. (CNN)

Michael Koskoff did cross examination. He wanted to talk about the thing that really got you angry at MJ. "I wasn't angry," Fournier said.

Koskoff recalled the day MJ called Fournier to wish him happy birthday. Fournier said he knew MJ had a problem sleeping. Koskoff asked if Fournier inquired 'Michael, has there been any change in medication since last time I saw you?' Fournier: Correct
Koskoff: And MJ said there was no changes
Fournier: Right
Koskoff: Something happened at that point to make you believe Michael had misrepresented that he didn't change his medications?
Fournier: I believe he denied all medications

Koskoff asked if MJ did well in the procedure on 5/13/03. "Other than difficult IV placement and high tolerance to medication, he did fine"

Koskoff asked in April 24, 2003 -- how did that procedure go?
Fournier: No problem

Koskoff: Did you believe he was lying to you?
Fournier: The problem happened after that discussion

June 2, 2003 is the date MJ had an apnea episode.
"Yes, I was upset about that," Fournier said.

Koskoff: And it was because you thought MJ had misrepresented he didn't change his medications, correct?
Fournier: Yes

Koskoff: Would you be willing to apologize to Mrs. Jackson for saying her son was lying to you?
Objection, sustained, irrelevant

Koskoff: You have no knowledge whether the Narcan implant had anything to do with the reaction in June?
Fournier: No

Fournier said he never heard Narcan as an implant, had never seen one. "I was told by two of his physicians there was one," Fournier said. He spoke with doctors Klein and Metzger about it.

Koskoff: If Dr. Farshchian said it was Naltrexone implant and he thought it was the same as Narcan, it would be a mistake, correct?
Fournier: Correct. They are two different drugs.

Dr. Klein told Fournier MJ had a Narcan implant, he went home, research it and could not find anything on it. "I know the effects of Narcan," Fournier said. It can cause cardiac arrest, tachycardia, defibrillation. Naloxene, which is Narcan -- Fournier has familiarity with it. Fournier is not used to Naltrexone, but said it's also an opioid inhibitor. Koskoff: Do you know the effects of Naltroxene in anesthesia? Fournier: It would have the same effect of this kinds of drugs, antagonist opioid effect and it's dose-dependent.

Koskoff: In approximately 10 year he never reported to you allergy to Demerol?
Fournier: In the last year he did (after he started implant)
Fournier: He never told me he was allergic to it (Demerol), he said he didn't like it. In the medical record, Fournier wrote allergy to Demerol. He said it was a code to himself to not give MJ that drug.

Koskoff: Did you use any opiates in June 2?
Fournier: Yes, Remifentanil

Koskoff: May, 2003 -- did you give him an opioid?
Fournier: Remifentanil, high dose, developed tolerance
Propofol -- 240 mg

Koskoff: If you assume he was implanted in April 2003, at this time (May) he had it on, right?
Fournier: Correct

Medical record from May 13, 2003:
Height: 72 inches (6 feet)
Weight: 140 lbs
Allergy: Demerol
Medications: Denied

Koskoff asked if Fournier knows what caused the reaction on June 2, 2003. "I have a suspicion of what causes it," Fournier said. "Very strong suspicion."

Fournier has no prescription authority in California.

Koskoff said about holding Michael's hand, if that was literal.
Fournier: Yes, it's literal
Fournier: the doctors appreciated someone monitoring MJ, he was very important, at the peak of his career, and Michael was paying me. "They were very happy to have me there to make sure Michael was safe," Fournier testified.
Koskoff: You said you literally held his hand?
Fournier: Yes, for painful injections, squeeze my hand if you feel pain


Fournier agreed that Michael never chose the drugs he administered, never asked for more.
Koskoff: You gave MJ Propofol and he never asked you for Propofol, correct?
Fournier: Correct
Koskoff: You called the shots?
Fournier: Correct
Koskoff: If someone say MJ had drug-seeking behavior, you didn't see it?
Fournier: Correct

All the doctors treating MJ were top notch physicians, Fournier said. Fournier about Dr. Klein and Botox: He was quick to tell me he was a pioneer and no one could do better than him. Fournier said he never felt MJ had anesthesia inappropriately and didn't feel like MJ was doctor shopping.

Koskoff: Did he ever ask you to remain under anesthesia for longer than you thought was necessary?
Fournier: No

"He told me he didn't like it," Fournier said MJ told him about Demerol.

Koskoff: Physically, during the time you treated him, did he look well?
Fournier: Yes

Fournier said MJ was very thin and frail in pictures he saw of the singer in 2009. Koskoff asked if MJ was the same as when Fournier treated him. "He was thinner," Fournier responded.

Koskoff: Isn't it true a fit and competent doctor would not give Propofol at home?
Fournier: Correct

Fournier said he uses Demerol in a limited basis. It was popular in the '70s. It's a drug used for pain, analgesic, opioid. "12.5 mg of Demerol is giving intravenously for shivering," Fournier said. The dose if from 12.5-25 mg.

Koskoff: You treated MJ over period of more than 10 years
Fournier: Correct

Fournier said they had a good relationship and MJ was a good patient. But MJ did not followed post-operative recommendations.

Koskoff asked if Fournier was more concerned that Dr. Klein didn't tell him. He said yes. Michael told Dr. Klein about it, Koskoff said. "You expect your clients and your doctors to be honest with you," Fournier explained. Fournier: I was angry at Dr. Klein, I was angry at Michael, I was angry at anyone who knew about it and didn't tell me. Koskoff: Are you still mad? Fournier: No, got over it

Fournier, a certified nurse anesthetist, testified about an incident on June 3, 2003 in which Jackson stopped breathing while under sedation for a procedure with Beverly Hills dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein. After Jackson suffered a "somewhat bizarre reaction" during the sedation, Klein told Fournier it might be because the singer had an "opioid antagonist" implant. It was intended to help treat a dependence on Demerol, he said."You expect your clients and doctors be honest with you and I felt ambushed and was upset," Fournier testified. The nurse said it made him angry at both Klein and Jackson. (CNN)

Fournier said it's a small community (of anesthesiologists) and everyone talks to everybody about who they are treating. "Sometimes when it involved patient care, we talk to each other," Fournier said. Koskoff: If MJ was concerned that an anesthetist was talking about him having Narcan for drug addiction, would that be a valid concern? Fournier said he didn't understand the question, that he talked to other people treating MJ. Koskoff said there are 200-300 people in the anesthesia community. Fournier: If you're taking care of somebody and if someone else asks you, that's taking care of patient. It's not chattering. Fournier said it's usual for physicians to look at charts to see what kind of treatment was done before and the response he had.


AEG recross

Cahan, in re-direct, asked if 300 mg of Demerol in single intramuscular is a lot. "That's a tremendous amount," Fournier responded. "If you gave it to me I would probably stop breathing," Fournier said.

Fournier: Hiding information from person who's going to take care of you can lead to untoward event.

Cahan asked Fournier to assume MJ, beginning in Nov 2002 to July 2003 placed 5 Naltrexone implants. Cahan: Did MJ ever say he was on any medication whatsoever in April, May and June 2003? Fournier: All of those times Michael denied taking any medication. Cahan: So 3 times in 2003 he did not disclose he had a Naltroxene implant? Fournier: Correct. "He was not telling me the truth," Fournier said.

Fournier said that after he canceled the surgery, MJ never called him again on his birthday and never used his service anymore.

Koskoff asked Fournier if he knows whether Dr. Farshchian told MJ the implant had medication in it. He said he doesn't know. So if MJ didn't say anything about the implant, it could be because he didn't know it was a medication, Koskoff asked. Fournier: I'm going to assume if he's having a surgical procedure to implant something he would know what that is for.

Dr. Klein apologized afterwards for not telling Fournier about the implant.

"Some burn patients get hundreds of anesthesia," Fournier said, and Michael was a burn patient. "I knew he was in the hospital in 1994 after the burn, yes," Fournier said.

During cross-examination, Fournier said Jackson never requested any specific drugs, including propofol, during procedures or asked to be sedated for longer than was necessary. He said the singer didn't exhibit any drug-seeking behavior or signs that he was doctor-shopping. Fournier said he knew that Jackson had received an above-average number of anesthetic treatments over his lifetime, and many were related to procedures needed after Jackson was badly burned in a shoot for a Pepsi commercial in 1984. Fournier said it was not common to administer an anesthetic during cosmetic procedures, but the ones done on Jackson were complex and involved dozens of injections. Some of the procedures were near Jackson's eye and sedation was necessary to keep him still, Fournier said. Fournier also said he never had any indication that the singer was using propofol as a treatment for insomnia. (AP)



Partial Medical record

David Fournier, a nurse anesthetist, treated Jackson between 1993 and 2003. He has record for 2000, 2002 and 2003 only. From 1993 to 2000, there are no medical records. He said he believes he gave MJ Propofol in 2001, but does not have records. He said he did not administer anesthetics after September 2003. Fournier said his incomplete medical records show he administered propofol to Jackson at least 14 times between 2000 and 2003. He estimated he gave the singer the drug numerous other times over the years for a variety of cosmetic and dental procedures. Some of the 25 times he was hired to assist with Jackson's procedures no drugs were given, he said. He would just hold his hand and assure him it would be all right.

1993: He first sedated Jackson in 1993 when he was being treated for serious scalp burns suffered while filming a Pepsi commercial several years earlier, he said.

19 Jan 2000 : Weight: 130 lbs

14 Nov 2000 :Weight: 130 lbs , Mentions Versed, 5 mg, Very high tolerance noted, Vitals stable

"He was taking a little bit more than I'd anticipate to keep him comfortable," Fournier said.
Fournier's normal starting dose is 1 mg of Versed. This was a dental procedure.

11 April 2002: Omar Arnold, Weight: 132 lbs , Dr. Koplin, Multiple collagen injections , Additional drugs given -- Propofol 140 mg

24 April 2003 : No problem

13 May 2003: weight 135 lbs , difficult IV place, difficult monitoring anesthesia, high tolerance of medication.

Medical record from May 13, 2003: Height: 72 inches (6 feet) , Weight: 140 lbs , Allergy: Demerol , Medications: Denied
Remifentanil, high dose, developed tolerance
Propofol -- 240 mg
"Other than difficult IV placement and high tolerance to medication, he did fine"

2 June 2003 : Dr. Klein , Multiple derm procedures, Weight: 140 lbs , Denies any medical or medication changes , Three days ago slurred speech, heard on the phone.
opiates: Remifentanil

June 2, 2003 is the date MJ had an apnea episode. At some point Jackson had an unusual reaction, and Fournier controlled his ventilation for couple of minutes, it happened again, lightened him up, assisted one more time with his breathing.

Late august / September 2003: Fournier refused to participate in a medical procedure. Jackson was acting "goofy" and was slow to respond to standard questions before a scheduled cosmetic surgery that was canceled after Fournier refused to administer an anesthetic, he said.


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28.07.2013 um 10:26
@FaIrIeFlOwEr
Zitat von FaIrIeFlOwErFaIrIeFlOwEr schrieb:Hahaha, ich bin auch neugierig und würde gerne erfahren, was Murrays angebliches Geheimnis ist, welches wie eine Bombe, neee, noch schlimmer, wie eine Atombombe, einschlagen würde,
Also ich kann mir wirklich nur vorstellen, daß es sich um Aufnahmen von Michael handelt, sonst würde der Murray nicht solche Töne spucken. Wenn er das blos so sagen würde, glaubt es ihm eh keiner. Also ich denke, da stecken die Aufnahmen dahinter.

Er hat auch in dieser Doku gesagt(weiß ich noch ganz genau), daß die Jacksons sich bei Michael entschuldigen müßten. Habe hier gefragt - oder nebenan- was der Murray damit gemeint haben könnte. So, das wird jetzt demnächst alles veröffentlicht, oder er macht vorher einen Deal mit den Jacksons. :D :D :D weil, der will ja genauso blos das Geld.

Diese ganzen Wurschtblätter schreiben ja wieder Blödsinn und alles Durcheinander, man merkt, daß alle voneinander abschreiben.


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28.07.2013 um 14:19
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Zitat von SylvinaSylvina schrieb:Er hat auch in dieser Doku gesagt(weiß ich noch ganz genau), daß die Jacksons sich bei Michael entschuldigen müßten. Habe hier gefragt - oder nebenan- was der Murray damit gemeint haben könnte. So, das wird jetzt demnächst alles veröffentlicht, oder er macht vorher einen Deal mit den Jacksons. :D :D :D weil, der will ja genauso blos das Geld.
Videos von Murrays Doku hatten wir ja damals eingestellt ... MJ~Leben u. Sterben~u das Geschehen danach! (Seite 723)
ab Eintrag vom 13.11.2011 um 09:28Uhr
spezielles zu deiner damaligen Frage habe ich jetzt aber nicht gesucht ...

ich denke auch, dass Murray versuchen wird, sein "Wissen" meistbietend zu verkaufen ... oder er "tingelt" durch die TV-Landschaft ...
klar auch ein Deal mit den Jacksons ist möglich ... Hauptsache es fließt genügend Geld ... :D


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28.07.2013 um 14:26
Michael Jackson

Gemeinsame Songs von Michael Jackson und Freddie Mercury erscheinen

Sonntag, 28.07.2013, 10:44

Zwei verstorbene Superstars der Musikgeschichte wird es bald gemeinsam zu hören geben. Brian May und Roger Taylor wollen in etwa zwei Monaten Aufnahmen veröffentlichen, auf denen ihr ehemaliger Queen-Bandkollege Freddie Mercury mit Michael Jackson zu hören sein wird.


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Drei Jahrzehnte nach der Aufnahme sollen jetzt Duette von Michael Jackson (1958-2009, „Thriller“ ) und Freddie Mercury (1946-1991, „Made in Heaven“ ) veröffentlicht werden. Die Mitglieder von Mercurys Band Queen, Brian May (66) und Roger Taylor (64), arbeiten an den Titeln, auf denen die beiden verstorbenen Superstars zu hören sein werden. Laut „Mail Online“ versprechen sie, dass es in zwei Monaten ein Ergebnis geben wird.

Die Arbeit daran beschreibt May als „aufregend, herausfordernd, emotional belastend, aber cool“. Jackson und Mercury sollen in den 1980ern in einer einzigen gemeinsamen Session drei Songs aufgenommen haben. Sechs Stunden verbrachten sie dafür angeblich in Jacksons Heimstudio im kalifornischen Encino.

2011 bestätigte May, dass der Jackson-Clan ihm die Erlaubnis gegeben habe, die Aufnahmen zusammen mit Taylor neu herzurichten. Involviert sein soll zudem Musikproduzent William Orbit, der auch schon mit Madonna und Blur zusammen gearbeitet hat.

Michael Jackson starb 2009 im Alter von 50 Jahren an einer Medikamenten-Überdosis, Freddie Mercury erlag 1991 den Folgen seiner Aids-Erkrankung.

http://www.focus.de/kultur/vermischtes/michael-jackson-gemeinsame-songs-von-michael-jackson-und-freddie-mercury-erscheinen_aid_1055896.html


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28.07.2013 um 14:29
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Prison records have always shown Murray's release date as October 28, @andjustice4some has posted it 4 months ago http://twitpic.com/cc9c3c

11:50 PM - 27 Jul 13


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28.07.2013 um 14:38
Rave from the grave: Michael Jackson and Freddie Mercury duets to be officially released... three decades after they were recorded

* Mercury’s former bandmates Brian May and Roger Taylor working on tracks
* They have promised ‘something for folks to hear’ in two months

By Nick Constable
PUBLISHED: 23:03 GMT, 27 July 2013 | UPDATED: 23:03 GMT, 27 July 2013


Duets featuring Michael Jackson and Freddie Mercury are finally set to be officially released, three decades after they were recorded.

Mercury’s former bandmates, Brian May and Roger Taylor, are working on tracks featuring the two dead superstars and have promised ‘something for folks to hear’ in two months.

Guitarist May described working on the sessions this month as: ‘Exciting, challenging, emotionally taxing. But cool.’


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Showmen: Duets featuring Michael Jackson and Freddie Mercury are finally set to be officially released, three decades after they were recorded. The pair are pictured in 1980



The prospect of pop’s two greatest showmen combining in a musical reprise is a mouth-watering prospect for fans around the world.

Yet ironically the pair fell out after a collaboration in the early 1980s.

In what is thought to have been their only session together, they recorded three songs during six hours spent at Jackson’s home studio in Encino, California.

In 2011, May confirmed the Jackson estate had given permission for him to revamp the trio of recordings with Taylor and the pair have brought in US-based music producer William Orbit, who has worked with Madonna and Blur.


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Exciting: The prospect of pop's two greatest showmen combining in a musical reprise is a mouth-watering prospect for fans around the world
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Progress: Mercury's former bandmates, Brian May and Roger Taylor, are working on tracks featuring the two dead superstars . May is pictured performing on stage with Mercury



The tracks are likely to include new guitar solos from May along with Queen-style vocal harmonies.

Writing on his blog in reply to a fan, May, 66, said: ‘There are a few items in progress. We will have something for folks to hear in a couple of months’ time, hopefully.’

Jackson died in 2009, aged 50, after suffering cardiac arrest linked to his drug dependency. Mercury died from an Aids-related illness, aged 45, in 1991.

A Jackson family source said he believed the post-Encino row stemmed from the pair’s inability to arrange a second recording session.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2380197/Rave-grave-Michael-Jackson-Freddie-Mercury-duets-officially-released--decades-recorded.html


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29.07.2013 um 07:52
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na ja, jedenfalls hat der Murray das gesagt, daß er keinen Grund sehe, sich zu entschuldigen, vielmehr hätten sich die Jacksons bei Michael entschuldigen müssen. Das hängt sicher auch mit seiner jetzigen Drohung zusammen.

Was jetzt hier wieder für ein Aufruhr betrieben wird, sogar in den Abendnachrichten ist es die Meldung wert, daß Murray jetzt vorzeitig aus dem Gefängnis entlassen wird.
Aber das haben wir doch schon gleich nach der Verhandlung gewußt, daß er nur 2 Jahre einsitzt.

Jetzt denken die Medien, das wäre eine Neuigkeit und vorallem sensationell.
Kann mir nicht vorstellen, daß die Kathrine diesem britischen Wurschtblatt ein Interview gegeben hat und vorallem, wieso wäre sie entsetzt darüber, daß er jetzt entlassen wird? Ihr ist das doch egal, vielmehr möchte sie ja, daß er Geld verdient und seine Kinder unterstützt. :D Hat sie doch gerade erst gesagt, daß sie ihn, den Murray deshalb auch nicht verklagt hat im Zivilprozess.
Diese Widersprüche!



Aber toll finde ich, daß wir Michael und Freddie zu hören bekommen und ich hoffe nicht, daß es nur "State of shock" ist, was die da zu bieten haben, denn das kennen wir ja schon.
Da bin ich ja mal gespannt, kommt vielleicht zum Geburtstag???
Man sah der Michael damals gut aus, vorallem sein schönes Lachen!
Warum hat er das nicht selbst gesehen???


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29.07.2013 um 09:46
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Zitat von SylvinaSylvina schrieb:Was jetzt hier wieder für ein Aufruhr betrieben wird, sogar in den Abendnachrichten ist es die Meldung wert, daß Murray jetzt vorzeitig aus dem Gefängnis entlassen wird.
Aber das haben wir doch schon gleich nach der Verhandlung gewußt, daß er nur 2 Jahre einsitzt.

Jetzt denken die Medien, das wäre eine Neuigkeit und vorallem sensationell.
ja, da kann man mal wieder sehen, was einem die Medien so alles an Sensationen "verkaufen" wollen ...
ach, gerade bei Sat1, Murray soll vorzeitig entlassen werden ... hahaha
na, die 2 Jahre sind halt bald vorbei ... ja, die Zeit verrennt ... und wie man genau auf den 28.10.2013 als Entlassungstag gekommen ist, hatten wir auch in unserem Thread ...

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Zitat von SylvinaSylvina schrieb:Kann mir nicht vorstellen, daß die Kathrine diesem britischen Wurschtblatt ein Interview gegeben hat und vorallem, wieso wäre sie entsetzt darüber, daß er jetzt entlassen wird? Ihr ist das doch egal, vielmehr möchte sie ja, daß er Geld verdient und seine Kinder unterstützt. :D Hat sie doch gerade erst gesagt, daß sie ihn, den Murray deshalb auch nicht verklagt hat im Zivilprozess.
Diese Widersprüche!
sehe ich genau so ... denn auch Katherine hat ja damals mitbekommen, dass Murray voraussichtlich vorzeitig entlassen wird ... außerdem hat sie ja auf eine Schadensersatzklage gegen ihn verzichtet, und damit sind Murray alle Türen geöffnet, um sein "Wissen" um MJ & Co. meistbietend zu verkaufen ...
und er wird garantiert Abnehmer finden, denen nichts schmutzig genug sein kann ...


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29.07.2013 um 10:13
@Sylvina
Zitat von SylvinaSylvina schrieb:Man sah der Michael damals gut aus, vorallem sein schönes Lachen!
Warum hat er das nicht selbst gesehen???
damals schien die Welt wohl noch in Ordnung zu sein und das strahlt MJ auch irgendwie aus ... ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass Vitiligo und Lupus viele physische und psychische Einflüsse auf das ganze Leben von MJ eingenommen hatten ... so, vielleicht auch auf die Selbstwahrnehmung ... :(


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