Mich stört dessen Anwesenheit in dieser geschichte. Mohrenschildt war ein überzeugter Anti Marxist, während Oswald doch angeblich pro marxistisch eingestellt war. Und dann besucht Mohrenschildt Oswald und seine Frau und besorgt ihm noch den Job bei Jagger, Stiles and Stovall. Wie passt das zusammen?bredulino schrieb:DeMohrenschildt reiste im April 1963 nach Washington DC und soll sich mit Burris getroffen haben.
Ich habe ein Beispiel gefunden wie Exilkubaner, Rechtsradikale und ihre Unterstützer durch Leaken von Informationen aufgehetzt worden sein könnten:
Walker now became a leading figure in the fight against what he considered to be the liberal establishment. Based in Dallas, he gave many speeches around the country denouncing communism and liberalism. In February 1962 Walker stood for governor of Texas. Although he gained the support of Barry Goldwater, Walker finished last and John Connally went on to be governor.Quelle:
In December 1962, Felipe Vidal Santiago had a meeting with a lawyer connected to a "Citizen's Committee to Free Cuba". He told Vidal about a conversation he had with Henry Cabot Lodge, who had been told by Walt Rostow, that John F. Kennedy was exploring "a plan to open a dialogue with Cuba." Vidal was furious about what he considered to be an act of betrayal and immediately told leaders of the anti-Castro community and his CIA contact, Colonel William Bishop. According to Dick Russell, Vidal was also "an information conduit for" General Walker.
Mohrenschildt kann man "konkret" Burris und Mitarbeitern des ACSI zuordnen.
ACSI is the intelligence section of the Army Reserves - the weekend warriors who are called up to serve during domestic disasters, civil riots and disturbances, as well as deployed overseas.DeMohrenschildt stellte die Oswalds Ruth und Michael Paine vor. Ich hoffe, dass du nicht mehr dem Klischee der biederen Quäker anhängst.
ACSI comes into the Dealey Plaza picture multiple times.
1) I wasn't aware of ACSI until I read a book, Our Man in Acapulco, the autobiography of Colonel Frank M. "Brandy" Brandstetter, the Dallas resident and manager of the Havana Hilton when Castro first took over and made the Hilton his residence and headquarters. Brandy was proud of the fact that he was a Colonel in the Army Reserves and the fact he didn't take orders through channels but reported directly to Lt. Colonel William Rose, chief of the Army Reserves intelligence branch - ACSI.
2) I picked up interest in ACSI when I discovered that after George deMohrenschildt visited Oswald, saw the rifle, suspected and joked about Oswald taking a shot at Walker, he left for Haiti. DeMohrenschildtz later found a backyard photo Oswald gave him holding the rifle inscribed "Hunter of Fascists, ha ha." Before going to Haiti DeMohrenschiltz visited CIA officers in New York City and then went to Washington DC where he met with Dorothie Matlack and Colonel Sam Kail of ACSI, Kail had been previously posted to the US embassy in Havana where he worked with Brandy, David Atlee Phillips and David Morales. Did DeMohrenschildtz tell them about Oswald, the rifle and Walker?
3) While deMohrensciltz went to Haiti, Oswald went to New Orleans where he got an apartment on Magazine Street. A week before Oswald himself knew he would be living there, his future residence would be known by Dr.\Col. Jose Rivera, of US Army Reserves ACSI, who also expressed knowledge of Oswald shooting at Walker. How did he know that if DeMohrenschildt didn't tell them?
4) Back on the ground in Dallas, a few days before the assassination, on November 19, Ruth Paine and Marina were visited in Irving by Colonel James "JD" Wilmerth, USAR-ACSI, who questioned them for hours.
5) Although he wasn't approved by the Secret Service, the Pilot car that drove a half mile ahead of the motorcade included a backseat passenger Lt. Colonel George Whitmyer, who was responsible for all US Army Reserve operations in that region of Texas, the guy Colonel Brandy didn't report to.
6) The driver of the pilot car, Dallas Police Captain Lumpkin, did report to him, as did most of the DPD Special Services Unit that worked out of a special office at the Texas State Fairgrounds. The Pilot car was responsible for observing the motorcade route to determine if everything was safe and to look for any possible hazards or potential problems. None were seen. When Lumpkin made the turn from Houston to Elm he pulled to the curb in front of the Texas Schoolbook Depository to tell one of the three traffic policemen that the motorcade was a few minutes away, inadvertently informing the Sixth Floor sniper sixty feet above them, rifle in hand.
7) Then in the hours after the assassination, Col. Jack Crichton, 488th Military Intelligence detachment, USAR-ACSI, provided the Dallas Police with an interpreter, who misinterpreted key elements of Marina Oswald's statements. Crichton was also responsible for operating the Emergency Management Command Post that was located in a nuke proof underground bunker at the Texas State Fairgrounds, near the DPD Special Services Unit offices.
8) Another DPD Special Services officer who served in the Army Reserves (Springfellow), based on Marina's statements, sent an official message to the US Air Force Tactical Strike Command in support of the Phase One - Castro Cuban Conspiracy, apparently before LBJ put the skids on it and reverted to the Phase Two lone but scenario.
So while there were many domestic intelligence agencies represented at Dealey Plaza, ACSI was all over the place, and their files and records should reflect the key roles their officers played before, during and after the assassination.
Philip Melanson followed the trail of the ties between the CIA and the White Russian community in Dallas, and more specifically between Dulles and George DeMohrenschildt, who was cleared to meet Oswald through J. Walton Moore, the head of the Dallas CIA office. Supplementing this discussion with additional information Garrison did not have – drawn in particular from the work of Carol Hewitt, Steve Jones and Barbara LaMonica – DiEugenio makes evident not only the more than casual acquaintance between the DeMohrenschildts and the Paines, but also the numerous links of both Michael’s and Ruth’s families to the CIA and Dulles. Again, this is a real achievement, since this fascinating information has not appeared in any previous book. Michael’s mother, Ruth Forbes, was close friends with Mary Bancroft, an OSS agent with whom Dulles had intimate professional and personal ties. Michael’s stepfather was one of the creators of Bell Helicopter, while his mother’s family descended from the Boston Forbes and Cabots, executives and board members of United Fruit and Gibraltar Steamship (a CIA front for David Phillips’s Radio Swan). Ruth Paine’s father and her brother-in-law both worked for AID, another CIA front, and her sister Sylvia Hyde was employed at Langley prior to 1963 as a psychologist. Both Michael and Ruth were themselves involved in undercover work. One document released by the ARRB reveals that Michael Paine engaged in infiltration activities at SMU in Dallas similar to those of Oswald; the Warren Commission was aware of filing cabinets found at the Paine residence containing data on pro-Castro sympathizers, which they downplayed in the “Speculations and Rumors” part of the report [193-200].https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/dieugenio-james-destiny-betrayed-second-edition
And there is the matter of phones being tapped and the hearing of a Ruth – Michael conversation in which one of them said they knew who was responsible for shooting Kennedy. Allegedly Irving Police Chief Paul Barger knew about this. Have you talked to Barger about the assassination? “Not that I recall. I don’t recall the name either,” she said. What about your phone being tapped? “That’s an interesting question. I’ve tried to figure out where that report came about, Michael and I talking to each other and being heard by somebody. We talked on the phone after Kennedy was shot, but before we knew Oswald was involved.https://eu.swtimes.com/story/news/2020/09/20/paine-interview-raises-more-jfk-assassination-questions-part-ii/42668757/
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An employee of theTexas Employment Commission wanted to inform Oswald that they had found him a job at Trans Texas Airport. Ruth Paine answered that he was not home and so they called back the next day to hear that Oswald had taken a job elsewhere. Ruth never informed Oswald about this job, even though it paid about $100 more per month than the TSBD one.https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/creating-the-oswald-legend-appendix
Was hältst von Michael Paines Engagement?
Shortly after meeting Lee, Michael told the FBI that he began to frequent Luby’s Cafeteria across from Southern Methodist University after Sunday services in April-May 1963. Paine enjoyed engaging in political conversations or debates with students, taking a pro-Castro, pro-Cuba, pro-peace-with-the-USSR viewpoint.https://aarclibrary.org/the-jfk-case-the-twelve-who-built-the-oswald-legend-part-11-the-paines-carry-the-weight/
Attorney Ed Buck told a remarkable story about his run-in with “a tall slender man”about 6’2″, 160 pounds” at Luby’s Cafeteria, and how the unknown man mentioned his friendship with Lee Oswald. The man also told Buck that he used to work with books before he went to work at Bell Helicopter.
The FBI Albequerque office concluded that the unknown man could only be Michael Paine. [xi] Paine was interviewed and agreed that it was probably him. Robert Gemberling, a prominent FBI investigator of Oswald, omitted from his reports Buck’s perfect physical description of Paine. [xii]
Michael is described as looking like Oswald in 1963 — Paine had a similar slender frame as Oswald, but quite a bit taller, 35 years old, standing 6’2 and weighing 160 — here is a picture of Michael and Ruth during that time. [xiii] People who have seen film of Paine during 1964 say that he was not an Oswald look-alike, but that there was a resemblance. [xiv]
Das war das hohlste Strohmannargument, das ich seit langem gelesen habe. Es ging um das Klischee der biederen Quäker.
Es ging zunächst mal darum, dass Oswald nicht nur mit Exilkubanern zu tun hatte. In New Orleans hatte er Verbindungen zu Kubanern, in Dallas waren solche enge Verbindungen zu Exilkubanern, soweit ich weiß, nicht vorhanden. Andere Gruppen, andere Netzwerke. Kein bzw. nicht nur Interesse an Kuba. Es muss im April 1963 noch kein konkretes Komplott gegeben haben, jedoch kann das Netzwerk, das sich später zum Komplott entschloss, schon damals Oswald für andere Zwecke benutzt haben.
Echt jetzt? Was für eine Vehemenz, mit der du von dem Thema nicht lassen kannst...
Bei der Art, wie z.B. Zeugen bei Gegenüberstellungen vom DPD bearbeitet wurden, Oswald schon unmittelbar nach seiner Verhaftung auf Anweisung von ganz oben zum Einzeltäter gemacht und sich in die Autopsie eingemischt wurde, sollte man Oswalds Täterschaft nicht als unumstößliches Dogma betrachten.
Selbst in einem Szenario bei dem Oswald nur Sündenbock war müssten die Verschwörer ihn manipuliert haben.
In Dallas hatte er Kontakt zu DeMohrenschildt, den Paines, Weißrussen...
Das ist Korrekt. Wobei man auch erwähnen sollte das Er auch Kontakt zur CIA und dem örtlichen FBI gehabt hat.
Immer noch auf dem Strohmanntrip? Man muss kein Geheimagent sein, um für Dienste nützlich zu sein. Ist ein Angehöriger der rechten Szene, der den Verfassungsschutz mit Informationen versorgt, ein Geheimagent? Waren die Exilkubaner, die von der CIA ausgebildet und angeleitet wurden Geheimagenten?
Es ging um Pro-Castro. Pro-Kuba. Das, wofür sich Oswald angagierte.
Seltsam, dass du das überliest...
Komisch, dass du das Eigentliche wieder vergessen hast. Es ging z.b. um ihre Zeugenschaft für die Existenz des Gewehrs in der Garage vor dem Attentat, ihre Widersprüche zu ihrem Wissen über Oswalds Arbeit und Arbeitsplatz, Gardinenstangen...
* Ruth Paine hat sich in einigen Interviews komisch benommen.
* Die Geheimdienste haben öfter religiöse Verbindungen ausgenutzt.
Du wirst wahrscheinlich keinen finden, der glaubt, dass Oswald bei so einem Szenario rein zufällig aufgegriffen worden sei. Allein schon die Ereignisse in Mexico City zeigen, dass mit LHO auf das Attentat hinarbeitete- egal ob als Schütze oder Sündenbock.
Das ist alles, was du antworten kannst? Ich schrieb, dass das unbewusste Stereotypen sein könnten. Quäker/Christen = brav, bieder.
Rivera sat on the National Institute of Health Board of Directors. A fellow director in the early 1960s was Alton Ochsner. In 1963 Rivera was in New Orleans handing out research grants from NIH to the Tulane Medical School.Mit Ochsner landen wir wir im Umfeld der Exilkubanern.
In 1961 Ochsner, with the financial help of Clint Murchison, established the Information Council of the Americas (INCA). Ed Butler was appointed as Executive Director of INCA. The main objective of the organization was to prevent communist revolutions in Latin America. Ochsner told the New Orleans States Item: "We must spread the warning of the creeping sickness of communism faster to Latin Americas, and to our own people, or Central and South America will be exposed to the same sickness as Cuba." (16th April, 1963)...
Edgar and Edith Stern, owners of WDSU radio and television, were members of INCA. Eustis Reily of the Reily Coffee Company personally donated thousands of dollars to INCA. However, it was Patrick J. Frawley, a Californian industrialist and close friend of Richard Nixon, who was INCA's largest financial contributor. The organization used some of this money to make a film about Fidel Castro entitled, Hitler in Havana. The New York Times reviewed the film calling it a "tasteless affront to minimum journalistic standards."
One of Ochsner's friends described him as being "like a fundamentalist preacher in the sense that the fight against communism was the only subject that he would talk about, or even allow you to talk about, in his presence."
Ochsner was strongly opposed to the domestic and foreign policy of President John F. Kennedy. He wrote to Senator Allen Ellender: "I sincerely hope that the Civil Rights Bill can also be defeated, because if it was passed, it would certainly mean virtual dictatorship by the President and the Attorney General, a thing I am sure they both want."https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKochsner.htm
Ochsner was also friends with Clay Shaw. Ochsner was president of the International House, whereas Shaw was director of the organization. Both men were also directors of the Foreign Policy Association of New Orleans and arranged for CIA Deputy Director to New Orleans to discuss the communist threat.
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Ochsner attacked the Garrison investigation as being unpatriotic because it eroded public confidence and threatened the stability of the American government. In his article, Social Origins of Anticommunism: The Information Council of the Americas (Louisiana History, Spring 1989) Arthur Carpenter claimed that Ochsner launched a propaganda campaign against Garrison. This included sending information to a friend who was the publisher of the Nashville Banner.
According to Carpenter, Ochsner also attempted to discredit Mark Lane, who was assisting the Garrison investigation. He told Felix Edward Hebert that Lane was "a professional propagandist of the lunatic left". Ochsner also instructed Herbert to tell Edwin E. Willis (Chairman of the House Committee) to dig up "whatever information you can" on Lane.
Felix Edward Hebert later sent Ochsner a report on Mark Lane extracted from confidential government files. This included "the files of the New York City Police, the FBI, and other security agencies." These files claimed that Lane was "a sadist and masochist, charged on numerous occasions with sodomy". Hebert also supplied Ochsner with a photograph that was supposed to be Lane engaged in a sadomasochistic act with a prostitute.
Dann erkläre doch einfach, warum der weißen Mittelschicht angehörende Quäker nicht irgendeiner Dienststelle zuarbeiten und sogar an Komplotten beteiligt sein können, im Gegensatz zu Exilkubaner,n von denen einige vor ihrer Flucht der kubanischen Ober- und Mittelschicht angehörten. Es waren doch auch Akademiker, Unternehmer und Beamte, die Kuba verlassen mussten.
Es gibt keinen rationalen Grund, eine falsche Dichotomie von Quäkern und Exilkubanern herzustellen.
Du überliest wieder mal das Wesentliche: Dass Edisen Anweisungen erhielt, die sich so gestalteten, dass sie nur von einer Person kommen konnten, die über Oswalds Bewegungen (Umzüge von Dallas nach New Orleans und wieder zurück nach Texas) im Voraus Bescheid wusste. Dass es Verbindungen zum Quäker-Netzwerk um die Paines gab.
Das ist die von dir hochgehaltene falsche Dichotomie- ich habe von einer mehrschichtigen Verschwörung gesprochen, von einer höheren Ebene, die über Exilkubaner hinausging. Die auch die Paines mit einbeziehen würde, sei es auch nur als nützliche Idioten, die nur Anweisungen ausführten.
Jim Garrison later suggested that Ruth Paine might have been involved in setting Oswald up as the "patsy". Garrison points out that Paine's father " had been employed by the Agency for International Development, regarded by many as a source of cover for the C.I.A. Her brother-in-law was employed by the same agency in the Washington, D.C. area." He also claims that he had tried to "examine the income tax returns of Ruth and Michael Paine, but I was told that they had been classified as secret.... What was so special about this particular family that made the federal government so protective of it?"https://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2019/09/more-on-paine.html
Endlich!
Was wäre für dich ein Beweis?
Report on Michael and Ruth Painehttp://oswaldsmother.blogspot.com/2011/01/tour-of-dallas-police-department.html
Box 13 features a background report on Michael and Ruth Paine, written by W. S. Biggio a detective with the Dallas Police Criminal Intelligence Division. It’s stated in the report that the Paine’s moved to Irving, Texas from Malvern, PA in 1959 so Michael could work as an engineer for Bell Helicopter Corp. Prior to moving in 1959 Michael Paine is listed by informant T-1 (FBI) as a self-employed farmer and Ruth Paine as a housewife. Probably no one has made a
smoother career shift from farming to aeronautical engineering than Michael Paine!
Interestingly, It should also be noted that the Paine’s tax returns from 1956 to 1958 are classified. Mostly likely they would be doing the farming/housewife gig during this time period. Why would the government classify the tax returns of mere farmer and his wife? What were they really up to?
Welche Aussage? Sie hatte kein Gewehr vor dem Attentat bemerkt. Die Gardinenstangengeschichte ist, wie du nicht mehr bestreiten kannst, komplizierter. Sowohl in Hinsicht auf Ruths Aussage als auch auf widersprechende Dokumente zu den Fingerabdrücken an den Gardinenstangen.
The Assassin (WR136-137)
Fibers on Rifle
In light of these findings the Commission evaluated the additional testimony of Stombaugh that the fibers were caught in the crevice of the rifle's butt plate "in the recent past." Although Stombaugh was unable to estimate the period of time the fibers were on the rifle he said that the fibers "were clean, they had good color to them, there was no grease on them and they were not fragmented. They looked as if they had just been picked up... Because the relative freshness of these fibers might be explained by the continuous storage of the rifle in the blanket, the Commission was unable to reach any firm conclusion as to when the fibers were caught in the rifle. The Commission was able to conclude, however, that the fibers most probably came from Oswald's shirt.https://www.patspeer.com/jahs-chapter-16
In 1993, PBS aired a program on the life of Lee Harvey Oswald. In that program Michael Paine, for the first time, said he had seen the famous backyard photo of Oswald and that he knew Oswald had a rifle and a handgun. So I asked Ruth if it upset her that Michael didn’t tell her about all this. “Well of course. That was stunning. Yeah, people didn’t know. I felt very sad that Michael didn’t understand there was significance in knowing about that, that he had dismissed it at the time. He saw Lee as very unconnected, not connected to others or to real ideologies of one sort or another. For instance, as you are aware, Oswald subscribed to both ‘The Worker’ and ‘The Militant,’ papers of the left-leaning groups that wouldn’t speak to each other.“https://eu.swtimes.com/story/news/2020/09/20/paine-interview-raises-more-jfk-assassination-questions-part-ii/42668757/
FBI interview of Mrs. Louis Rico, 23 Nov 1963. Mrs. Rico lived in an apartment in the same building in New Orleans with the Oswalds. She told the FBI of a "woman who drove a station wagon" helping the Oswalds move in September 1963.https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Oswald_in_New_Orleans.html?search=oswald%20in%20new%20orleans
FBI interview of Alexander Eames, 23 Nov 1963. Another neighbor, Alexander Eames, recalled the woman with the station wagon. Like Mrs. Rico, Eames remembered the woman "loading luggage and other articles into the station wagon." Weisberg points out that this raises doubt about the idea that Oswald had secretly put the rifle into the car.
Eher der Staat als die Regierung?
Das geht klar aus der Beschreibung hervor. Spontan würde ich sagen, die haben die Leiche mit Waffengewalt aus dem Autopsiesaal geklaut.
