Oscar Pistorius, das Model, der Valentinstag und das war dann Notwehr

The following are calls to the security land line on February 14, 2013:

Dr. Stipp was the first to call security.
His call went through at 3:15:51am. He reported hearing gunshots. Call lasted 16 seconds.

Mr Nhlengethwa is the second to call security
His call was first attempted at 3:16:16am with no answer
His call went through at 3:16:36am. He reported shots heard.

The following are calls to the security cell phone number on February 14, 2013:

3:21:33am – Oscar calls Baba from one of his cell phones. Call lasted 9 seconds. Oscar was only crying, didn’t speak during this call.

3:22:05am – Baba’s call to Oscar where Oscar states “everything is fine”. The length of this phone call is not read by Roux.

CosmicQueen schrieb:Der Anruf von Burger/Johnson wurde um 3.16 gemacht

zwicker schrieb:
dass ein Anruf zur security um 3:15:51 war
Hm.. von der Uhrzeit habe ich noch nichts gehört, bei welcher Gelegenheit wurde das denn erwähnt?

CosmicQueen schrieb:Wie gesagt, ich habe ja das Video dazu gepostet und da sprach Roux was von 3.27.14 als die Security angerufen wurde und davon bin ich ausgegangen.

zwicker schrieb:Das Interessante ist aber, dass Dr. Stipp um 3:15:51 anruft und von Schüssen (dem 2. Satz) spricht. und Burger/Johnson um 3:16 für 58s telefonieren und nach ihrer Aussage die Schüsse erst danach hören.
Irgendwo muss sich jemand geirrt haben.

KlaraFall schrieb:Alle waren VOR Botha da.....und werfen der Polizei allein Tatortkontaminierung vor.

Burger lives in the Silverstreams security estate, at a distance of 177 metres from Pistorius's home in the neighbouring Silver Woods complex.

[Das stimmt. Der Anruf war um 3:16 und dauerte 58s. Laut Zeugenaussage war dies vor den 2. Schüssen./ZITAT]

Hier wurde auch der Anruf vom Nachbar Nhlengethwa erwähnt. Beim ersten Anruf um 3:16:13 kam er nicht durch, beim zweiten um 3:16:36 sprach er von Schüssen. Dieser Anruf dauerte 44s.

Beitrag von zwicker (Seite 2.082)

Woher stammt denn die genaue Uhrzeit? Von der Security vor Ort können sie nicht stammen, da sie ja von Johnson nicht angerufen wurden.

sterntaucher schrieb:Burger/Johnson haben nie bei der Silverwoods Estate Security angerufen. Vor den "Schüssen" hat er angerufen, aber die Security seines alten Wohnorts, die neue Nummer war noch nicht im Telefon gespeichert. Mit denen hat er geredet und der Irrtum wurde geklärt. Daraufhin ist er wieder raus auf den Balkon, hat die Schreie mit den Schüssen gehört, hat sich dann drinnen noch mit seiner Frau unterhalten und wenig später hörten sie dann schon die Security in Richtung Tatort fahren.
Die haben die Security nicht angerufen, weil sie die richtige Nummer nicht hatten.

At that point his wife said to her husband that they should call security. He came inside and they called from her cell phone where she already had a security phone number stored. He believed he was speaking to the security for the Silver Stream Estates where they lived. It was his intention to have them radio over to the Silverwood security next door to inform them that somebody was possibly being attacked in their home, possibly a home break. But it turned out that the security number they called was for security at a previous residence they lived in. His wife apparently had never programmed the new security number in to her phone. So they terminated the call.

Mr. Johnson went back to the balcony after that and heard the woman screaming again. At that point the intensity and the fear in her voice escalated and it was clear that she was in danger. He then heard the gun shots. During the session of shots, he heard the lady scream again. Her last scream faded away moments after the last gunshot was fired. He believed he may have heard 5-6 shots and that is what he reported to the police. He now knows that there were only 4 shots. He states he did not count them as they happened, he estimated what he heard. He did notice a small pause after the first shot, but the remaining shots were fired in close succession.

He then returned to the bedroom very alarmed. His wife said to him that she thought that woman’s husband may have just been shot in front of her. She came to that conclusion based on the screaming that they heard before and during the gunfire. He does not recall any other sounds or noises after that. Mr. Johnson and Mrs. Burger sat on their bed for a bit upset by what they had just heard. They didn’t speak much after that and then attempted to sleep a little bit more. He does recall hearing a security vehicle in the distance and assumed that somebody else over in that estate would have contacted security for help.

zwicker schrieb:Es ist völlig egal wen Johnson angerufen hat.
Tatsache ist dass er um 3:16Uhr für 58s telefoniert hat und ausgesagt hat, dass er hinterher noch Schreie und Schüsse gehört hat.
Und das steht im Gegensatz zu dem was Dr. Stipp ausgesagt hat.

Nina1 schrieb:da sieht man sehr genau, wie lange Notrufe in der Regel dauern - auch in diesem Fall.....
OPs Notruf dauerte 66 Sekunden und ich frage mich, warum man ausgerechnet IHM die Dauer seines Notrufes von div. Seiten vorhält.....
was hätte er denn dem Notrufdienst länger erzählen sollen? - seine Lebensgeschichte oder was?

Tussinelda schrieb:Botha war ja nicht der einzige Polizist vor Ort, das sollte man vielleicht dazu sagen, von Rendsburg war schon da und auch andere Polizisten.......VOR der Polizei waren die Standers, Stipp, security, der Notarzt/Ambulanz.......dann kam Polizei, und dann erst andere, wie zum Beispiel Carl und Oldwage.......

For some reason Mr. Roux did not want the blood on the wall above the bed to be linked to Reeva being carried there, and Nest quickly said that it could have just been cast off from OPs hands. But Roux did not object to the portrait of Reeva's heart still beating as Reeva was being carried down the stairs - 25 minutes after she was shot, DT version, 3:00-3:25. And Mr. Nel does not object to Reeva's heart still beating 9 minutes after she was shot, PT version, 3:16-3:25. It is just her being alive and being carried to the bedside that bothers the DT, and it bothers the PT because they want to say OP did carry her there. So that is curious.

But for me, and likely others, I reject all of this struggling to make Reeva's heart stay alive for 9 minutes; without the two severed arteries medical science would estimate that Reeva's heart could continue to beat for 2-5 minutes, not more than that and certainly not 9 minutes as some are suggesting.

Now OP absolutely wants the court to believe that Reeva died in his arms as he carried her down the stairs, and all he has to do to prove that is use the same argument that some are using here - Roux can simply point to Nest saying that the blood over the railing was caused by arterial spurt and say that it could only be that if Reeva's heart was alive, beating and pumping blood through her body. If Nel wants to counter that he can refer to Saymaan saying that Reeva's heart would have died in a few minutes, and that is not 9 minutes and certainly not 25 minutes either.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242112&page=18

Da hast du etwas missverstanden. ;-)
Nicht die Dauer des Notrufes, sondern wenn die Schüsse gegen 3:00 gefallen wären, wie es die Verteidigung behauptet, die Dauer BIS ZU dem Notruf.

Beitrag von KlaraFall (Seite 2.082)

Mit netcare hat er geschlagene 66 Sek. gesprochen...viel Zeit oder?
Beitrag von Interested (Seite 1.987)

Und doch, ich halte sie vor, denn ich weiß weder, was am Telefon gesprochen wurde und OB gesprochen wurde!
Beitrag von Interested (Seite 1.988)

OP has three huge hurdles.

1 - he has to convince people his story is even close to true. Changing substantive details like going to the deck for the fans, then not going to the deck impeach his entire story. Nobody can believe his story is true because there is no one story.

Which story is true? Reeva asleep or awake? Going on the deck or not going on the deck? Trying to shoot an intruder or the gun going off on it's own?

He had no one story, so you can't say you believe "his story."

2 - even if his story was true, he has the burden of proof to show that chasing after somebody retreating after he warned them to leave, and then shooting them, is not premeditated murder. It is the definition of premeditated murder.

3 - Forget the experts for a second. Every witness to the crime testified they heard a woman's voice. They heard gun shots. OP, after knowing he killed Reeva, didn't seek help from anybody but Stander. He turned away help.

He has no supporting evidence that any one of his versions is true, and even if they were, chasing after somebody with a gun and killing them is still premeditated murder.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242112&page=19