Die Frage ist doch was sind für dich Massendemonstrationen? in einem Land mit ca. 45 Millionen Einwohnern.Ashert001 schrieb:Eine Revolution wird immer vom Volk initiiert, meistens in eine Massendemonstration die sich nicht mehr von selber auflöst.
Dadurch gerät die Staatsführung in Zugzwang und muss bekennen auf welcher Seite sie steht.
Du sprichst hier von der Erschaffung eines neuen Staates. Und wen dies geschieht passiert es ab und zu das Teile des Landes da nicht mitmachen. Siehe Geschichte. Russisches Reich nach der Revolution spaltete sich Finnland und Polen ab.
Der Präsident, das Parlament, die Verfassung, die Verfassungsrichter, die Polizei, die Militärs und Richter.
In einer Revolution gehören die alle, zumindest vorübergehend, auf den Scheiterhaufen, als die Schergen des alten Regimes! Soviel zum Thema Recht und Gesetz.
Deswegen nennt es sich ja Revolution, altes Recht wird gewaltsam gestürzt um neues zu schaffen.
Wer damit nicht klar kommt, ist ein Mitläufer, dem im besten Fall nur die Haare geschoren werden.
Findest du das toll? Wünscht du dir sowas bei uns hier?
Hätte das Parlament Janukowitsch gegen den Willen der Revolutionäre im Amt bestätigt, hätte man alle auf die Straße gezogen und an Laternen aufgeknüpft!
Revolutionen sind immer Verfassungswidrig!
Sie halten sich nicht an die Straßenverkehrsordnung, nicht an die Ruhezeiten und am aller wenigsten an irgendeine gegenwärtige Verfassung!
Revolutionen sind keinem Strafgesetzbuch in der Welt vorgesehen und kümmern sich auch nicht um irgendeine Meinung eines Richters dazu!
heut geschehenGlünggi schrieb:Revolutionen ernennen ihre eigenen Richter um sich zu legitimieren.
Wer steht denn auf der anderen Seite?Chavez schrieb:Findest du das toll? Wünscht du dir sowas bei uns hier?
Du solltest besser nochmal nachlesen, was er sagte! Dann hättest Du Dir Deinen äußerst infantil einfältig blödsinnigen Link auch sparen können!Charlytoni schrieb:Wie Helmut Kohl schon sehr treffend feststellte:
Es zählt nur was unten rauskommt.
The War We Lost (Roman Kravets)Original: http://www.pravda.com.ua/columns/2014/03/12/7018500/
“Give me mass media and I will make a pig drove out of any nation,” Joseph Goebbels.
“Ukraine is in chaos. The country is falling apart, the country is being ruled by oligarchs, armed radicals are filling the streets of cities and villages. They are ruining monuments, churches, killing people. Nobody can count the exact number of victims, but it is 100% certain that it is the work of extremists, Bandera followers and nazis.
Ukraine does not exist anymore.”
No joke, such messages really are being heard. However, from TV channels of brotherly Russia. After watching the Russian news, only one wish appears – to lock yourself in your home and never come out.
It seems that Libya in 2012 and Syria are child’s play compared to what is going on in our country.
Unfortunately, citizens of the Crimea, Donyetsk, Lugansk, Kharkiv etc. are oriented by Russian mass media, as they are, or so they say, closer in spirit.
We have to admit: the results of such an orientation are obvious.
For years, an informational war has been going on in Ukraine. Although it does not shed blood, it is not less dangerous, as it is misinformation, lies. Are we fighting this war, protecting ourselves?
In reality – no. This is a war against Ukrainians without Ukrainians.
Only on March 5th of 2014 did the deputy secretary of the National Security Council Victoria Siumar stated that the NSCU is planning on building a strategy to counter Russian propaganda.
During the writing of this article, Ukrainian TV channels went off air in the Crimea.
Zombie-box
Not so long ago, live on one of Ukrainian political shows, journalist Yevgeniy Kiselev explained the specifics of the information of Russian TV channels: “This (Russian) propaganda is carried out exactly on Goebbels templates. I assure you, it is not just a figure of speech. The heads of the TV services in the state of Russia are people that know Goebbels' lessons and in private conversations they like citing them – the more frightening the lies, the easier it is to believe them.”
It is important to understand that Joseph Goebbels, the Minister of Propaganda in the Third Reich, is a person without which fascism would have a different tone. He is the creator of nazi propaganda.
In short, the Crimea is panicking.
In conversation, the citizens of the peninsula, absolutely adequate and smart people, talk about fear. They are afraid of the invasion of Bandera supporters who will create the chaos that TV is showing them. The loudspeakers of the Kremlin: TV channels NTV, “Rossiya 1” and “Perviy Kanal” and some others.
For many years these channels have been broadcast without any obstacles by cable TV networks in both the East and West of Ukraine. So the information machine of Moscow was free to reach the Ukrainian audience. They were not prohibited, switched off, filtered. In short – they did not react.
Of course, many people laughed, made memes, tweets, give virtual Oscars to Dmitriy Kiselev.
But many watched and believed. And still believes.
The author of these lines monitored Russian TV news for a few days. From them, five messages can be derived, which are the basis of our neighbour’s information.
Messages
1. The Crimea wants to be in Russia, the Russian Federation is protecting the Crimeans.
Every issue of Russian news begins with messages about the Crimea. The video shows masses of people with St. George’s ribbons and Russian flags. Always present are comments, for example: “I want to be in Russia, because here it is chaos. The new government kills.”
Attention is being focused on the fact that there are no Russian armed forces on the territory of the peninsula, and the people that are “guarding” it are the local self-defence. In addition, Ukrainian soldiers are abandoning duty, many people are fleeing the country.
Probably everyone has seen the “Perviy Kanal” report in which journalists talked about thousands of Ukrainian refugees. However, they showed the Polish border…
The Crimean referendum is shown by TV as a saving grace for the locals. “War ahead! We cannot leave the Ukrainian people to be devoured by nazi bands. Sevastopol – Crimea – Russia,” said Vladimir Konstantinov from a booth during a concert in support of the Crimea in Moscow.
We cannot omit the ability of the Russian journalists for comparison. For example, they compared the Crimean referendum to the referendum in Scotland: “The referendum in Scotland was not called illegitimate by anyone.”
Russia is portrayed as a saviour, guarding Ukrainians from Bandera supporters, victims, marauders and other troubles.
2. Chaos, “Maidan” supporters, Sasha Biliy
Throughout the last three months national radicalism became the top theme of Moscow news.
The country is being governed by “baptist pastor Turchynov and US-agreed Prime Minister Yatseniuk.” According to the Russian media, the Ukrainian government is self-proclaimed and illegitimate.
A wave of torture is spreading throughout Ukraine.
All TV channels have shown how “nazis” has captured and chained to the local Maidan booth the governor of Volyn. He was beaten, humiliated, poured with water. They did not forego shots from Lviv, in particular, where “Berkut” soldiers were forced to stand on their knees on the Maidan booth. “They make them kneel, those who burned, who were burnt, who were shot at.”
Of course, they have to tell about the lawlessness on the streets of the country: people are being robbed and beaten, cars burnt, churches ruined, and what is the worst – they are burning down the houses of “regionals” and communists.
“In the Lviv region the house of MP Anna German was set on fire. In 1945, even Russians did not burn down that house, the ones that arrested her aunt for collaborating with Bandera supporters.”
A separate segment is dedicated to self-law, which is “normal” on the streets of the capital – thus, in accordance with the messages, “Party of Regions” MP Nestor Shufrych was almost ripped to pieces.
As you may know, any war needs a hero. When there is no hero in the war – then there is no war. Unsurprisingly, Putin is the hero. The anti-hero is “Praviy Sector” embodied by Yarosh.
But the super antagonist is Olexander Muzichko, or Sasha Biliy. Russia has now been showing for two weeks how the “Praviy Sector” representative came to the Rivne Regional Administration with an AK-47. Then they add shots of him beating the Rivne Prosecutor.
The news about Biliy don’t stop there. In the last few days they have been saying that Sasha took part in the Chechnya War and tortured Russian soldiers.
3. Oligarchs were given power to steal money.
Russians almost don’t talk about the appointment of Sergiy Taruta as head of the Donyetsk Regional Administration. The main accusation is – oligarch. But the appointment of Igor Kolomoyskiy as governor of Dnipropetrovsk region was commented on not just by anyone, but by the President of Russia himself.
“He is a unique scoundrel. He even fooled our Abramovich,” said Vladimir Putin during a press conference.
Russians love to add that Kolomoyskiy has two citizenships (Israeli and Ukrainian) and that the oligarch lives in Switzerland instead of Dnipropetrovsk.
4. The West is financing the coup.
The accusations for supporting Maidan of the West have sounded since the beginning of the protest. It seems that the Cold War has been engrained in the Russians’ minds. A grand impression is made by the message about US financing the Ukrainian revolutionaries by giving them 5 billion dollars. In particular, Ebay founder Pierre Omidiar gave his part of the financing.
“The US was the conductor of the events happening in Ukraine. This scenario, which has been developing in the last few years, what they call an uprising, was completely created by the West,” commented the so-called former CIA anent Scott Richard to TV channel “Russia 1.”
They never fail to mention the presence of Western armed forces on Ukrainian territory.
For example: black water private army is headed for Kyiv.
Black water are trained Americans, whom the White House intended to hire for dirty work in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are coming to Ukraine with a set purpose – to teach military skills to the radicals.
5. No agreements.
Once Otto von Bismarck said that any agreement with Russia is not worth even the paper that it is written on. Now Russia is saying the same about Ukraine.
The news often mention the agreement between Victor Yanukovich, Vitaliy Klitchko, Arseniy Yatseniuk, Oleg Tiagnibok and the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of France, Germany and Poland that was signed on February 21st. As is known, the agreement presumed the return to the Constitution of 2004, the appointment of presidential elections no later than in December of 2014 and the investigation of acts of violence which took place in Kyiv during the protests.
The Russian mass media are accusing the new government of violating this agreement. The West has once again become a target, as they “make excuses for the actions of the illegitimate government.”
Journalists concede that no agreements can be made with Ukraine, as they have “no words or morals.”
Aside from this, the Russian news are full of reports about the talk between European diplomat Catherine Ashton and Minister of Foreign Affairs of Estonia Payette that has been posted on the Internet. In it, Payette says that the snipers who were shooting at people in Kyiv, might have been hired by “someone from the new coalition.”
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We have to understand that the Russian journalists are violating all ethical rules and journalistic standards.
Imagine: a doctor trick a patient, as if he were treating him for a horrible disease: giving him huge bills, making him buy absolutely unnecessary medicine from his friends, the pharmacists, undergo expensive procedures. The doctor is enriching himself, his friends, and just lying. The patient pays and thanks for his health, that he already had.
Therefore, these are not news, these are stories, fairytales, myths, horrors – but definitely not news.
Just like Vladimir Putin. He is not a president, you know exactly who he is…
Ich denke das sollte erst einmal genau aufgeklärt werden - aber Letztendlich können das auch die ersten traurigen Ergebnisse sein, die durch diese rechten Hetzreden auf dem Majdan, verursacht wurden.Mr.Q schrieb:Was die Aufstachelung der ukrainischen Russen durch die russischen Medien bewirkt, konnte man heute Abend in Donetsk sehen, als tausende Ukrainer zusammenkommen wollten, um die ukrainische Nationalhymne zu singen. Ihnen gegenüber standen mindestens genauso viele Russen.
Der prorussische Mob hat heute 3 Ukrainer getötet und mehr als 50 schwer verletzt.
23.12 Uhr: Der Anführer der Krim-Tartaren ruft zum Boykott der Volksabstimmung über die Zukunft der ukrainischen Halbinsel am Sonntag auf. "Wir rufen die Tartaren der Krim auf, das Referendum zu boykottieren", so Mustafa Dschemilew. Zugleich ruft er die NATO auf, wie im Fall des Kosovos militärisch auf der Krim zu intervenieren, um "ein Massaker" zu verhindern. Da eine UN-Resolution zur Entsendung von Blauhelmen aufgrund des russischen Vetorechts unmöglich sei, müsse die NATO intervenieren, sagte Dschemilew weiter.http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/krim-krise-im-news-ticker-russland-laesst-8500-soldaten-fuer-manoever-aufmarschieren_id_3685637.html
Ziviel Text;KURZFORM: Ukraine hat den Informationskrieg schon seit langem verloren. Russische Medien heizen seit Jahren einen Konflikt an, der früher nie bestanden hat, zeichnen ein völliges Zerrbild von der Ukraine und seinen Bewohnern. Dies wird anhand diverser Beispiele belegt.
eine kurze Zusammenfassung wäre besser;
unter dem Motto - weniger ist mehr !
Die Webcams hatten die üblichen GEMA-Sperrtafeln, die mit wenigen Klicks umgangen werden können. Es gab auch diverse Alternativangebote, wie direkt bei Reuters, oder dutzenden ukrainischen Seiten. Hromadske.tv hatte da einen guten Überblick.waage schrieb:darüber hinaus sind wohl auch durch goggle bestimmte livecams zensiert worden
