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Jacksons vs AEG - Day 70 – August 15 2013 – Summary

Katherine and Trent Jackson is in court.


Debbie Rowe Testimony


Jackson cross

Rowe started out being questioned by Deborah Chang, one of Katherine Jackson’s attorneys. Much of Rowe’s early testimony was explaining the medical conditions Jackson suffered from. Through photos, she explained to the jury what vitiligo, discoid lupus looked like and their effects. (AP)

Jacksons attorney Deborah Chang resumed cross examination. Chang asked if traffic was better today. "It's Palmdale... it was actually worse today," Rowe responded. (ABC7)

Rowe said you couldn't look at it and say it was lupus. Then Chang showed picture of black male with vitiligo. "The thing with vitiligo, the color can come and go and if you go on the sun you can get sunburn," Rowe explained. (ABC7)

Rowe said vitiligo was harder to treat in people with darker skin, and explained that the skin lightening can come and go. She said it became clear that Jackson’s vitiligo wasn’t going to go away at some point, and it caused him tremendous anxiety. Jackson, in consultation with Dr. Klein, opted to de-pigment all of his skin, Rowe said. Vitiligo was one of the reasons that Jackson sought frequent treatment from Dr. Klein, Rowe said. (AP)

"For Michael, it came and went for a good period of the time. It was easy to cover with make-up," Rowe testified. "Everybody said he bleached himself, but he didn't," Rowe said. Rowe: It's easier go lighter color and try to match with make-up. It's hard to match dark skin, they don't make good make-up for dark skin. Rowe said Michael had come to a point it (vitiligo) was going to stay, it wasn't going to get any better. "Each time the pigment disappearead, it got bigger and bigger." She said that cause tremendous anxiety in Michael. Rowe said up until 99 MJ still had issues w/ it. "Vitiligo is seasonal, it'd come and go. Sometimes it'd be better and sometimes it wouldn't. Rowe said Dr. Klein tried different treatments, ultimately tried to de-pigment. "You can't just slap cream around whenever you want, you need to get your skin checked," Rowe said. That's one of the reasons MJ saw Klein. (ABC7)

Chang then asked about the burns to Jackson’s scalp that occurred during the Pepsi commercial shoot. (AP) Michael's burn was very serious, Rowe explained. Rowe: I didn't want him to feel as hopeless as he felt. We may not be able to make it perfect, but let’s see what we can do. "He's very shy, so for him to have all of these going on and being in public it was very hard," Rowe testified. Rowe said MJ cried about it, was embarrassed and felt disfigured. He was worried that people would see disfigurement before he would. Chang asked if there was a comparison to elephant man. She said yes. "He didn't really trust anyone at all," Rowe explained. (ABC7)

Thursday's testimony, however, began with Rowe's description of Jackson's skin problems, which included vitiligo -- a condition in which his pigment disappeared, leaving large white spots on his face, hands and body. "Everyone says he bleached himself, but he didn't," Rowe said. Many of his visits to Dr. Arnold Klein, the Beverly Hills dermatologist where she worked for 18 years as a medical assistant, were to treat the condition, she testified. Jackson compared himself to the "Elephant Man," a 19th-century Englishman who became a circus sideshow curiosity because of severe disfigurements, she said. "He was worried that people would see the disease or the disfigurement before they would see him working sometimes," Rowe testified. He also suffered from discoid lupus, which made his skin tissue "mushy," especially on his scalp, she said. (CNN)

Testifying during a negligence lawsuit filed by Jackson's mother, Debbie Rowe said the singer was treated for scars he sustained when his scalp was burned in a commercial shoot and for the skin-lightening disease vitiligo. Rowe said the injuries as well as the effects of vitiligo left Jackson feeling like he was disfigured. (AP)

Rowe offered perhaps the most detailed public recital of Jackson’s medical ailments, saying he suffered from vitiligo, discoid lupus and keloids from serious burns on his scalp sustained during the 1984 filming of a Pepsi commercial. The conditions, Rowe testified, would be difficult on their own for anyone. For Jackson, she said, it was worse. “He’s very shy. For him to have all this going on and to be in public, it was really really difficult for him,” she said. The singer was embarrassed of his skin conditions, she said, and compared himself to the Elephant Man. Jackson’s vitiligo — where skin loses pigment in patches — “would come and go,” Rowe said, but grew progressively worse. He made a decision to “depigment” his skin because he couldn’t find decent makeup, she said. “Everybody says he bleached himself, which he didn’t,” she said. (LATimes)

Rowe, on her role of accompanying Jackson to procedures: “I didn’t want him to feel as hopeless as he felt and as helpless as he felt.” She said any one of Jackson’s conditions would have been difficult for a person to deal with, but MJ had to deal with it in the public eye. Chang: “He felt disfigured?” Yes, Rowe replied. Chang asked if Jackson felt embarrassed. Rowe said he did feel embarrassed. “He was worried that people would see the disease and the disfigurement before they would see him working,” Rowe said. Rowe was asked whether Jackson compared himself to the Elephant Man. She said he did. (AP)

Rowe said Michael didn't disclose it to his mother. He wanted her to know that he was okay and that she didn't have to worry about him. (ABC7) Rowe was she and Jackson talked about everything, and that he didn’t want to burden his mother with specifics about his conditions. (AP)

Rowe noted she wasn’t a Michael Jackson fan when they met and she told him so. “I apparently have no filter, as my daughter says,” she said. Jackson found her honesty refreshing, Rowe said. She began to accompany him to medical appointments to put him at ease, watch out for him. (AP) Chang: Did you always make him laugh? Rowe: Well, that was our relationship. Rowe said Michael had a really good sense of humor and they tried to find humor in stuff. "And if he was feeling down I'd do something to take his mind off of it," Rowe said. "I apparently have no filter, as my daughter says." Chang: Did he appreciate that on you? Rowe: He did, I think he felt refreshed. Because he couldn't do it, he was happy I could. (ABC7)

“As busy as he was, he wasn’t the best person to think about and organize and keep track of his medical care,” Rowe said. Rowe explained to the jury why Jackson needed two doctors to treat his discoid lupus. She said it needed treatment from a rheumatologist (Dr. Allan Metzger) and a dermatologist, (Dr. Arnold Klein.) Both got extra training in their respective fields. (AP) Rowe: He knew I'd look after him, I wanted him to see the best physician, would find people who would take care of him. Rowe said she told MJ he needed to be organized with his medication, get one of those morning, afternoon, evening pill organizer. (ABC7)

Rowe went with Michael to see other physicians. Dr Metzger is an internist and rheumatologist who treats auto-immune diseases, such as lupus . Chang: So it takes a dermatologist and rheumatologist to treat discoid lupus? Rowe: Yes Rowe said Dr. Metzger was amazing, became MJ's internist. "And he was the best man in our wedding," she said. (ABC7) Chang asked Rowe a few questions about Metzger. She told the jury Metzger was the best man at her and Jackson’s wedding in 1996. (AP)

“He was almost phobic about needles,” Chang asked. “No, he was phobic,” Rowe replied. (AP) Chang: And he was almost phobic to needles? Rowe: Oh, he was phobic. C: And sometimes you'd have to literally hold his hand? R: I always did. Rowe said Michael wanted her present in all procedures. She said he always had problems with scar on burn scalp. Chang: Was Dr. Hoefflin a very prominent plastic surgeon? Rowe: Yes, and very, very good. (ABC7)

Rowe was also complementary of Hoefflin’s skills as a plastic surgeon when he first treated Jackson. She then explained that Jackson had keloids, a series of lumpy bumps on his skin that sometimes happen to burn victims. A couple photos were shown. None of the pictures Chang showed Rowe to demonstrate medical conditions were of Jackson. Rowe said keloids are extremely painful. On Jackson, they started “mid-scalp and went back to the crown,” she said. Keloid tissue is very hard and dense and it requires regular injections to treat. She said an air gun is used for some of the treatments. “It’s horribly painful,” Rowe said. She said in some treatments, you can hear the skin popping while the medication is administered. (AP) Chang: He had painful burn keloids? Rowe: They were keloids, I don't believe there's a different between burn or a cut. A keloid is a keloid. Rowe explained there were areas the scars were linear and elevated, other areas looked like skin had been stretched, other it was very thin. Rowe said Asian skin and Black skin are the worse for trauma. Chang: And do you know keloids can be very painful? Rowe: They are. Rowe said keloid tissue is very dense, hard. To get cortisone in, you don't want it to get around the keloid, you want it to get in the area. Cortisone softens the tissue. "You could hear the skin popping when the medication was going in," Rowe said. "It was horribly painful." (ABC7)

After the treatments on Jackson, there wasn't enough skin for plastic surgeon Steven Hoefflin to do a scalp reduction. That’s why Jackson had to have an implant placed under his scalp to expand the skin. That was done by Dr. Gordon Sasaki. The aim was to get one keloid to contend with on Jackson’s scalp, but it wasn’t successful, Rowe said. It fell apart in 1996 or 1997. In the end, the keloids got “even thicker and lumpier.” Rowe said another surgery wasn't an option. (AP) Rowe: He had such significant scarring, he didn't have enough tissue left, there was no skin to stretch (to do reduction plastic surgery). The burn area couldn't grow hair, baldness also grew. "He hated it," Rowe said. That's when they called Dr. Sasaki, around 1993. Rowe: What they show here is what happened to Michael. They would put saline every 7-10 days and let it stretch it out. Chang: It literally expands, stretches the skin? Rowe: Yes "It was brutally painful," Rowe said. "It required pain medication." (ABC7)

The keloids, she said, were dense, bumpy scars that went from the middle of Jackson’s scalp back to the crown of his head. Klein and other doctors would inject cortisone into the tissue to soften the scars — a procedure Rowe said was “horribly painful.” “You could hear the skin popping when the medication went in,” she said. Ultimately, she said, doctors looked to insert a “tissue expander” to expand what healthy skin was left on the singer’s head. A flap was filled with saline every seven to 10 days to stretch the skin, she said, again describing the treatment as “brutally painful.” (LATimes)


"There are time you cut keloid and you end up w/ bigger keloid," Rowe said. They wanted to have only 1 linear keloid on MJ's head to deal. Around 1997, it felt apart. "Because of the lupus it didn't hold down," Rowe said. He had lumpier, bumpier keloids. Rowe said after cortisone shot, sometimes the keloid would go down, sometime it would get worse. Rowe said after cortisone shot, sometimes the keloid would go down, sometime it would get worse. (ABC7)

Chang: And you saw first hand his fight with pain? Rowe: Yes . Rowe: I wasn't assigned to help him recover, I took care of him when he came to see Dr. Klein. Rowe said, crying, that she went with Michael to other procedures out of love, not because she had to. "Because he was my friend, I wanted to make sure he was ok." (ABC7) Rowe began to break down as Chang asked her to describe her helping Jackson during his medical treatments. She said she wanted to make sure her friend was OK, but it wasn’t part of her job to accompany him to treatments outside of Klein’s office. (AP)


Rowe said she would ask Jackson about his pain on a 1-10 scale, and he would get scared if his pain approached reached level 3. (AP) Rowe developed a pain scale to help measure Michael's pain. She said it was easier to assess the pain that way. Chang: At what number he got scared? Rowe: 3. "I don't know that his pain level went from 3 to 10, I know his fear accelerated because his fear of pain was so bad," Rowe explained. Chang: When he had pain, did he have cold sweats? Rowe: Yes C: Was he pale? R: Yes. Rowe said it was like a blind migraine, he couldn't see, wasn't performing at time, he couldn't do anything. Chang: Do you agree it was debilitating? Rowe: Yes C: And it was real? R: Yes (ABC7) She said she saw him in so much pain, he would have cold sweats, grow pale, and couldn’t see or think clearly when this happened. Chang: “He couldn’t be creative?” “He couldn’t do anything,” Rowe responded. (AP)

Rowe: I didn't want him to unnecessarily take, you don't take vicodin if you can do it with motrin, for example. She said they were doing demerol after surgery, then percocet. Chang: He had legitimate need for pain medication? Rowe: Yes C: You agree MJ wanted to be responsible for pain management? R: Yes. "He didn't want to be loopy," Rowe said. "When he had pain medication, he didn't go out. We stayed in, because he was slurring." Chang: That's not how he wanted to be? Rowe: Correct C: Was he perfectionist? R: Meticulous. Chang: Do you agree he did the best he could? Rowe: Yes . (ABC7)

"His biggest problem was that Dr. Klein and Dr. Hoefflin were trying to overprescribe medication," Rowe opined. Chang: Just to be clear, not at the request of MJ? Rowe: Yes . He did not want pain," Rowe said. She said he had no choice but deal with the doctors. (ABC7)


Jackson was very fearful of pain, she said, noting he was afraid of needles and that she “always” held his hand. The pain would be so intense, she said, he would suffer “blind migraines,” get cold sweats and grow pale. “He couldn’t do anything,” Rowe said. But, Rowe said, she never saw Jackson “doctor shop” in order to get more pain medications. He was very trusting of doctors and “very loyal” to his own, she said. “He said, ‘They take the oath. Do no harm,’” Rowe testified. (LAtimes)

Rowe said Jackson “wanted to be able to focus on his work. She said when he had taken pain medication, they wouldn't go out. Jackson’s struggles with pain medications were well-known on his “Dangerous” tour, Rowe said. Rowe: “It wasn't a secret. I used to hang out with the dancers and the people who worked with him.” Chang asked whether Rowe remembered Paul Gongaware from the “Dangerous” tour. She did not. (AP)

Rowe: After procedure in 93, MJ went on tour and was doing that part of the tour until Forecast, I met him one time I didn't know who he was. "Next time I met Michael in Mexico City and he was a mess," Rowe recalled. Chang: He made an announcement to the world he needed to get help? Rowe: Yes (ABC7)

Chang: Did you ever hear the name Paul Gongaware? Rowe: I don't know why I know the name. (ABC7)

Rowe said they would not allow her to talk to Forecast. Chang asked if she knew Forecast has been hired by the insurance company. Objection. Chang asked if tours caused MJ extreme stress or anxiety. She said yes. (ABC7)

Chang: Did he try to hide any drugs from you? Rowe: Not that I know of (ABC7) Rowe said she felt Jackson was always open and honest with her.Chang: “Did he ever try to hide any drugs from you?” “Not that I know of.” (AP)

Debbie Rowe was also asked about watching Jackson’s shows. She said she would sit on stage so as not to get crushed by the fans. While she wasn’t initially a fan of his music, Rowe said Jackson’s performances were amazing and she wished everyone had seen 1 of his shows (AP) Rowe: When I'd go to a concert and I was fortunate enough to be on stage, I'd see him. "MJ was my friend before anything else," Rowe said. "I'm so freaking lucky." "It was just, it was surreal, because I wasn't a fan, I was his friend first," Rowe explained. Rowe: The show was amazing, the dancers wee amazing, Michael was so physical when he'd do his performance. Rowe: He'd still ask 'how did I do, did I do ok?' Really dude, you didn't hear 55,000 people screaming? I think you did ok. "It was an athletic event to see him perform," Rowe explained. Rowe said on "This Is It" MJ wasn't performing, it was just a run-through of what he would do on the show. (ABC7) She spoke of his concerts, which she described as “amazing,” and watching them from a seat on stage. “I would see him and I would think, is this Michael Jackson? Michael Jackson was my friend before he was anything else,” she said. “I saw him, and I would say, ‘Oh my God, I know him.’ … And I would think, 'I’m so flipping lucky.’” (LATimes)

Chang showed a timeline of Jackson’s accomplishments between 1983 and 2000, when he and Rowe were close friends. Chang had to show the timeline to AEG Live defense attorney Marvin Putnam, who wasn’t shown it before court convened today. There was a little bit of bickering, and Rowe told the attorneys, “But sharing is caring.” Putnam was OK with jurors seeing the timeline. While there were a lot of professional accomplishments, Rowe noted that Jackson became a dad during that time period. (It was on the chart) (AP)

"Most important, he became a dad," Rowe said. "He said they take the oath to do no harm. He was very loyal to his physicians." Rowe: I knew that the only one who had Michael's best interest was Dr. Metzger. He treated him as a patient, human being and a friend. (ABC7)

Rowe said there worse type of medical care is: - very rich: can buy it - very poor: can't afford any - very famous: can dictate it. “ When it came to the pain he wasn't dictating, it was begging for relief," Rowe described. "He trusted what doctors were doing." Rowe said she tried to tell MJ he allowed doctors to control him too much, he should not be submissive. (ABC7)

Rowe reiterated that Jackson trusted and respected his doctor. “He was very loyal to his physicians,” she said. “He always thought doctors would have his best interests at heart,” Rowe said. That was true of Metzger, she said. She was also asked whether Jackson tried to dictate his care. Rowe said MJ wouldn’t question his doctor’s decisions. Rowe: “When it came to the pain, I wouldn’t say it was dictating, it was more begging for relief than anything.” (AP)

“The very rich, very poor and the very famous get the worst medical care,” she said Thursday. “The very rich can buy it, the very poor can’t get any and the very famous can dictate it.” (LATimes)

Rowe, clutching a tissue and breaking down at times, described Jackson as being in debilitating pain throughout the nearly 20 years that she knew him. She said her husband trusted his doctors and depended on them to give him proper medications. Jackson wouldn't specifically demand certain medications but had an intense fear of pain caused by procedures to try to repair his scalp, she said. "When it came to the pain ... it was more begging for relief than anything," Rowe said. "He respected doctors so he wouldn't question what they were doing." (AP)

When asked if she thought Jackson dictated his medical care to his own doctors, Rowe said, “When it came to pain, I wouldn’t say it was dictating. I would say it was more begging for relief.” “He respected doctors and wouldn’t question what they were doing,” she said. (LATimes)

Chang: Was he treated like a cash cow? Rowe: Yes Chang: Was he engaged in doctor shopping? Rowe: No. Rowe: There may have been, I don't know. I had not really heard about doctor shopping, specially at the degree we have today, back then. (ABC7)

Chang said in 2000 MJ was seeing a lot of doctors. Rowe said he had his doctors in LA. Rowe said she always instructed the nannies to have doctors on standby when they travelled and to keep notes of their treatment. (ABC7)

It was around this point that Rowe was asked if she thought Jackson was doctor shopping. She said no. Rowe said doctor shopping wasn’t a term she was familiar with back when she was close to Jackson. Chang asked if she agreed that Jackson never sought out doctors solely to get drugs. “To my knowledge, no," she responded. Rowe was pretty annoyed with some of Chang’s questions, which she said were too general. (AP)

Chang: Did he have to search for doctors to give him drugs? Rowe: No . Chang: In your opinion, when he saw doctors is because he needed it? Rowe: That's very general... Rowe: Not every appointment was 'I have to see a doctor.' It was 'I'm going to have a performance, I need to have collagen.' Chang: Would you agree that MJ never sought after doctors just to get medication? Rowe: Not that I know of. Rowe said she is nosy, so she checked all the medications the doctors gave him. (ABC7)

Attorneys talked over each other objecting. "I feel their pain," Rowe said pointing to the jurors. (ABC7)

Regarding Hoefflin putting MJ down and not treating him, Rowe said: "I didn't think I saw it, I saw it! I was there, I saw it!" Rowe said that when she worked with Dr. Klein, MJ's vitiligo got progressively worse. (ABC7)

Chang then moved into questions about Rowe’s relationship with Jackson. She said they’d watch movies together, in person and on the phone. Rowe hadn’t seen “To Kill a Mockingbird,” so Jackson called her one time when it was on TV. They didn’t know what a word meant, so Rowe said Jackson called up Gregory Peck to answer questions about the film. “Michael was tickled,” she said. (AP)
Rowe said she would watch movies with MJ all the time. Some times they went to the movie theater, even though MJ had a theater at Neverland. Rowe said MJ would call her and say "To Kill a Mockingbird" is on. "He was great friends with Gregory Peck," she explained. They didn't know what schiferella was, so MJ told her lets call Gregory Peck. Peck explained a bunch of things of the movie to them. Rowe said when MJ was very contemplative, they went to Forest Lawn (cemetery) over Griffith Park. "Michael loves sculpture," she explained. "I never realized that's a place he could go and it was quiet, and just be himself. It was nice, it was nice," Rowe recalled. She said there wasn't a bunch of people, he could go and hang out. (ABC7) The jury seemed to hang on every word of Rowe's testimony, which included the singer's medical conditions, and the time they were watching "To Kill a Mockingbird" and called Gregory Peck with a question about the movie he had starred in.(LAtimes)

There were very few places where Jackson could go in public and not be mobbed or noticed, she said. One place where he took Rowe was Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills, where they looked at the sculptures and artwork in peace. Jackson’s body was kept for several weeks at the cemetery after his death, and he’s interred at another Forest Lawn cemetery. Rowe said one way she and Jackson would sneak around was she would pick him up in her Toyota Celica. They went to Tower Records one day. No one noticed them, Rowe said, until Jackson spoke up and asked about a particular artist. Then everyone recognized Jackson’s voice. Rowe said they had to hide out in the store’s bathroom until Jackson’s security detail arrived.She said she got in trouble for the trip. (AP)

Rowe said that when he was feeling depressed, she took him out. There were a lot of impersonators in the 80-90s. Rowe: I drive a Celica, really, MJ in a Celica? She said at one time they went to tower records without security. She said there were only a few people in there, MJ was looking at CDs. Rowe: Then I hear from across the room 'Debbie, do you know this? Then everyone knew who he was, the store was packed in 20 minutes. Rowe locked herself in bathroom at Tower Records with MJ and called his security to pick them up. "I got in so much trouble," she recalled. (ABC7)

Rowe: He said you should incorporate horses with your love of animals. He paid for me to go back to school. "He helped whoever he could" Rowe said. (ABC7)

Rowe: In concerts, those girls will kill you to get near the stage -- fans laughed in overflow room. Rowe said security would give watches and rings. MJ would pick a girl to dance with him. "I thought that was so sweet."Chang showed video of woman on stage hugging Michael during "You're Not Alone" song. Rowe cried watching it. (ABC7) Chang played a clip of Jackson performing “You Are Not Alone” in Germany. A woman came on stage, clung to Jackson and refused to let go. The jury was in stitches laughing at the woman clinging to Jackson. She gave a leg kick when security took her off stage. Chang also played the music video for “Remember the Time.” Rowe pointed out one of Jackson’s camels from Neverland was in the video. (AP)

Rowe asked if Jackson was easily manipulated. “He could be,” Rowe replied. Chang asked if it happened when he was scared; Rowe said yes. Rowe told the jury that Jackson had so much adrenaline after shows that he couldn’t sleep afterward. (AP)

Chang asked some questions about Jackson received propofol to help him sleep in Munich, Germany on the “HIStory” tour. Rowe was asked more questions about the propofol treatment in Germany. She said she was worried it would affect him. She said Jackson was clean, and she was concerned that getting the anesthesia would trigger some sort of relapse. In response to questions from Chang, Rowe said the German doctors brought their equipment in through the hotel’s front door. Chang was trying to make the point that Jackson’s propofol treatment in that instance wasn’t totally hidden. (AP)

"He had difficulty to sleep anywhere, it wasn't just a tour problem," Rowe said. Rowe: "I'd see him go 4 days without sleep because he was thinking of a song or a project he wanted to do." Chang: Fournier never gave MJ anesthesia for just sleep, right? Rowe: Correct . Around 1997, near the end of tour, he uses Propofol to sleep in Munich. Chang: MJ never sought out anesthesiologist just for the purpose to sleep prior to that, correct? Rowe: Yes. Rowe: After HIStory he couldn't sleep, he talked to me and I said he had to talk to Metzger. Chang asked about the conversation Rowe and MJ had with Dr. Metzger about him not sleeping while in Germany. There were 2 anesthesiologists that came over, Rowe said. They brought in heart monitor and equipment to the hotel, didn't hide anything. Chang: Based on your observations, he never asked for medication to sleep? Rowe: Not that I knew of. Rowe: I discussed with, I can assume that Dr. Metzger had a discussion with these doctors about what they were going to do. Chang: Outside the US, do they use Propofol to treat insomnia? Rowe corrected: It was Diprivan. Rowe: Metzger had conversation w/ MJ. Apparently it was decided these doctors were going to give him anesthesia to put him to sleep 8 hrs. Rowe said she spoke with the doctors to make sure she knew what they were doing. The doctors spoke English. Rowe: I spoke to Metzger to make sure it was the same medication. "I knew they were anesthesiologists, they had practice in Munich. I don't know if they had gone to hotels to do this," Rowe said. In 1996, the law prohibited the use of any anesthesia outside a surgical center. Chang: You would not allow any illegal procedure in the hotel room, correct? Rowe: Yes. Not knowing. Rowe said the doctors had physicians desk reference book with them. They told Michael there was risk, including death. Rowe: My fear in addition to harm, it was because he was clean, this was after he went to rehab. "I didn't want anything they were giving him to affect his addiction to demerol," Rowe testified. Rowe said doctors were very detailed kept medical records. If she didn't feel comfortable, she wouldn't have allowed treatment to take place. This was 5 months after Prince was born, Rowe recalled. "They told me that anything more than 4 hours they had 2 physicians." It took some planing to put the equipment together, Rowe said. Chang: Did he ever say bring the equipment in the dark in the middle of the night through an alley? Rowe: He came through the front door. Chang: And secutity brought them up? Rowe: I don't believe anyone ever come up without security. The doctors were there on 2 occasions, with all the same equipment. Sometimes Michael would get IV for dehydration after shows, Rowe said. Chang: He used IVs for fluids, vitamins while on tour, right? Rowe: Yes. Chang: Based on your observations on that tour, Mr. Jackson wasn't asking medication to get high? Rowe: No. "He didn't like being high," Rowe testified. Chang: During the 20 years you were friends not habit of diprivan or any anesthesia to sleep? Rowe: Not that I know. (ABC7)

Rowe was then asked about her children with Jackson. She said he was devastated after his divorce from Lisa Marie Presley. She said she asked Jackson why, and he mentioned that he didn’t have children. Rowe said she told her friend that he could still be a father. Rowe said she told Jackson, “Let me have a baby with you. You can have the joy of being a parent.” Jackson thought about it for a couple of weeks before agreeing to have a child with her. (AP) Chang: Did you have discussions he wanted to be a father? Rowe: He loved kids, he did. Rowe: He was devastated after the divorce, I was trying to help. What does make you the happiest? 'I want to be a father' he said. Rowe said she told him he could still be a father. They talked about it and then... it happened. (ABC7) On another matter, Rowe said Jackson was devastated by his divorce from Lisa Marie Presley and because he didn't have any children. Rowe said she told him they should have a baby together. By that time, she and Jackson had been friends for more than a decade, with Rowe holding the singer's hand as he received injections for numerous medical procedures and talking with him several times a week. "I wanted him to be a father," she said. "I wanted him to have everything he didn't have growing up. I wanted him to experience it with his own child, with his own children." (AP)

Chang then showed a photo of Jackson, in makeup for his short film “Ghost,” riding on the back of her Harley-Davidson motorcycle. Rowe said she told Jackson and he was so excited, he ran onto the tarmac of the airport where they were filming “Ghost.” (AP) Chang showed Rowe and MJ in a Harley motorcycle, he was with make-up on. He always had crews with him to document stuff, Rowe said. She took him for a ride and took him to a tarmac and said I need to talk to you. "I said you're going to be a dad," Rowe said, sobbing. "He was so excited, he ran out in the tarmac screaming." Chang asked if he bought all the books around. Rowe said he was a big reader anyway. "He wanted to be the best dad he could be" she recalled. Rowe said she asked Michael to make two cassettes for Prince, she wanted the baby to hear his voice. "I had a headset over my stomach so baby could hear him, so the baby knows who you are," Rowe described. "They knew his voice." Chang showed pictures of Dr. Metzger and Rowe/MJ in Sydney during wedding, MJ, Debbie and kids. "He was amazing," Rowe said about MJ as a father. Rowe told Michael Paris was going to have him around her little finger. Rowe: Before anybody knew I was pregnant with this baby, he was shopping for clothes, would donate some times. "I was pregnant, he was picking clothes for his own children," Rowe said. Chang: Did you make a decision to leave the children with Michael? Rowe: Yes C: Ever regretted it? R: No. Rowe: Michael wanted to be a father. I didn’t sign on to be a mom. I loved him very much, and I still do. Rowe: I wanted him to be a father, to have everything he didn't have growing up, to experience it with this own children. Chang: To have a full childhood? Rowe: Yes Chang: Did you think MJ would be a good father? Rowe: I never questioned that he wouldn't be. Chang: Do you still love them? Rowe: I'm so proud of them. (ABC7)

She said the "Thriller" singer was "devastated" when Lisa Marie Presley filed for divorce in 1996, and she wanted to ease his pain. Rowe said she asked him what made him "saddest," and he said it was the fact they never had kids. "I said, 'Let me have a baby with you,'" Rowe told the Los Angeles jury. "It took him a couple weeks going back and forth, thinking about it, and we talked about it." Rowe never elaborated on how they pursued conception, but she described in intimate detail the afternoon she rode her Harley Davidson motorcycle across the San Fernando Valley to meet Michael on the Van Nuys Airport set of his 1996 short film "Ghosts" and break the baby news. Michael was getting ready to do a shoot, she recalled, but she convinced him to hop on the back of her Harley so they could find a private spot to talk."I said, 'You're going to be a dad!' I was pregnant," Rowe recalled. "He was so excited, he ran around the tarmac screaming."She said Michael recorded cassette tapes that she would play on headphones over her pregnant belly so the baby would know his voice. (NYDailyNews)

Rowe said Michael was equally over the moon when he learned that Paris was on the way. "I told him, 'You're going to be so whipped,'" Rowe testified. "Before anyone knew I was pregnant with this baby, he was shopping for clothes." Rowe said she had no regrets about "leaving" the kids with Michael when their 3-year marriage ended in divorce in 1999. "Michael wanted to be a father. I didn't sign on to be a mom. I loved him very much and I still do," she said, breaking down in tears. "I wanted him to be a father, I wanted him to have everything that he didn't have growing up, wanted him to experience it with his own child, his own children."She agreed with Katherine's lawyer that she "never" would have left the kids with Michael if she thought he was "a drug addict." (NYDailyNews)

Chang showed several pictures of Jackson’s oldest children when they were babies, some with the four of them together. Rowe said when she told Jackson he was going to have a daughter, she told him he was going to be in big trouble. Rowe: “I told him, ‘You’re going to be so whipped. She’s just going to have you around her finger.’” Rowe’s was asked about her decision to leave the children with MJ when they separated and divorced. She said she didn't regret that choice. “I loved him very much and I still do,” Rowe said. “I wanted him to be a father. I wanted him to have everything he didn’t have growing up.” Rowe said she was very proud of Jackson’s three children, including Blanket. She said she wouldn’t have left them if Jackson was an addict. (AP)

Chang asked how MJ looked in the This Is It movie. "He looked horrible," she responded. Rowe learned about MJ's death on the radio, she was driving home. (ABC7) Chang asked whether Rowe saw the “This Is It” film, and how she thought Jackson looked. “He looked horrible,” she said. (AP)

Rowe was then asked about her relationship with Prince and Paris. She said she was closer to Paris than Prince. (AP)

Rowe said she saw Prince at least once after MJ died. "We don't hate each other," she said. But she's closer to Paris. Rowe said at the end of March, April started seeing Paris, talked on the phone every day. "She stayed weekends with me," Rowe testified. (ABC7)

Asked about her relationship with 16-year-old Prince, who attends a private high school in the San Fernando Valley, she shrugged. "We don't hate each other, if that's what you mean," she said. "I'm closer to my daughter." Rowe said she and Paris, 15, began seeing each other at the end of March. She said they talked on the phone and texted frequently and that Paris stayed with her on weekends. Rowe, who raises quarter horses in Palmdale, sobbed as she explained how Jackson’s death has affected Paris, referring to a June 5 suicide attempt that sent her to the hospital. “I almost lost my daughter,” Rowe said. “She is devastated. She tried to kill herself.… She doesn’t feel like she has a life anymore.” (LATimes)

Rowe said before Paris’ hospitalization, she and Paris were communicating daily and she was spending weekends at Rowe’s ranch. Chang asked how Paris had been affected by their father’s death. Rowe broke down and stayed silent for several moments. “Their father is dead,” she said in a raspy voice, and then started to mention Jackson’s schedule. AEG Live’s attorney objected. Rowe covered her face with her hands and he objection was sustained. She told the jury, “I almost lost my daughter.” Chang asked if Rowe had spoken to Paris about her father’s death. “She is devastated,” Rowe said. “She tried to kill herself.” “She is devastated. She has no life. She doesn’t feel she has a life anymore," Rowe said of her daughter, Paris Jackson. Chang concluded her examination. Rowe was incredibly upset by this point. The court took a short break before resuming. (AP)

Their father is dead," an emotional Rowe said. "When I saw the tour come out, the schedule..." "I almost lost my daughter," Rowe said, sobbing on the stand. "She is devastated, she tried to kill herself, she is devastated. She has no life, she doesn't' feel like she has a life anymore," Rowe said "My children were never a sacrifice," Rowe said. Rowe left the courtroom sobbing. Judge broke session for a couple of minutes. (ABC7) When a lawyer for Katherine Jackson suggested that Michael's death wasn't something Rowe contemplated when she made the "sacrifice" of giving him full custody of their kids, the former dermatologist's assistant snapped back."My children were never a sacrifice," she said, breaking down to the point that she needed time to compose herself outside the courtroom (NYDailyNews)

The mother of Michael Jackson's two oldest children broke down in tears when she was asked to describe the impact of the singer's death on his daughter Paris. "Their father is dead," Debbie Rowe responded. "I almost lost my daughter! She is devastated. She tried to kill herself. She is devastated. She has no life. She doesn't feel she has a life anymore." (CNN) Rowe broke down when describing her recent relationship with her daughter Paris. She said she had been in daily touch with the teen until she had to be hospitalized on June 5, when paramedics were summoned to the Jackson family home in Calabasas. Rowe was asked how Jackson's death had affected his only daughter. "She is devastated," Rowe said. "She tried to kill herself. She is devastated. She has no life. She doesn't feel she has a life anymore." (AP) Michael Jackson's ex-wife wailed in anguish on the witness stand Thursday as she described the "devastation" that nearly claimed her only daughter with the King of Pop. "Their father is dead…I almost lost my daughter," Rowe said through loud sobs when asked about the fallout from Jackson's fatal overdose in June 2009."She is devastated, she tried to kill herself," Rowe moaned, describing 15-year-old Paris. "She doesn't feel she has a life anymore." (NYdailyNews)


AEG redirect

AEG Live attorney Marvin Putnam took over questioning. He was relatively brief. (AP)

In re-direct, Rowe said Dr. Klein treated MJ for acne, lupus, scaring and vitiligo. Rowe said she wasn't present when Michael had Botox because when she worked at Dr. Klein it had not been FDA approved yet. Putnam: Did he use Diprivan for collagen procedure? Rowe: Yes. Rowe said it was just demerol when collagen was injected around the mouth area. "But when injection was under the eye, it was painful, that's when we started the anesthesia," Rowe explained. (ABC7)

He asked Rowe about her concerns that Jackson was coming into Klein’s office for more than just collagen treatments. “I didn’t understand why he would come in twice in one week,” Rowe said. Putnam: “You were concerned he might be coming in for the drugs?” Yes, Rowe replied. (AP) Rowe said she asked Michael Jackson are you here because you really need collagen, or why are you here. "I didn't understand why he would come twice for collagen when he just had it done," Rowe questioned. This was early 90s. She was concerned MJ was coming in for the drugs. Putnam: You grew concerned about diprivan intake, approached Klein? Rowe: That was demerol, I called Dr. Metzger, I was concerned about demerol. Dr. Metzger said up disteril, lower demerol. Putnam: Did you asked Dr. Klein Michael was addicted to diprivan because of frequency he was using it? Rowe: Yes. Late 80s, early 90s. (ABC7)
Michael Jackson's ex-wife acknowledged Thursday that she was concerned that some of his frequent medical visits were motivated more by a desire for drugs than by the treatments he received. Debbie Rowe testified during the trial of a lawsuit that she told Jackson about her concerns when he would go to his longtime dermatologist more than once a week in the 1980s and early 1990s."I didn't understand why he would come in twice in one week," Rowe said, adding that she was concerned he might be in search of drugs rather than treatments for blemishes with collagen injections. "I didn't necessarily see what he wanted to have done."Rowe has offered a conflicting portrait of Jackson's medical treatments during her testimony, saying earlier that she never saw him engage in doctor shopping or request specific pain medications. She said many of the visits were legitimately tied to treatments for the skin-lightening condition vitiligo and scars he sustained after being burned during a Pepsi commercial shoot. (AP)

Rowe said Michael called her while he was in rehab in England. She said she told him she was working, since normal people worked. She told him he had to stop everything. He said he was working on it. Putnam: Including Diprivan? Rowe: Yes, everything P: In 1993? R: Yes (ABC7)

HIStory tour was 96-97, Munich. Putnam: Metzger had Jackson's interest in mind? Rowe: Yes. Rowe said Dr. Metzger directed her to bring a bag of medication to the Peninsula Hotel for Dr. Forecast. Dr. Klein went to HIStory tour to do collagen touch ups, acne treatment. He gave MJ demerol. (ABC7)

Putnam also asked whether Rowe was concerned that Jackson might be addicted to propofol. She said she asked about it, but was told that it wasn’t possible to become addicted to propofol. She did say she told Jackson to stop taking all drugs when he was in rehab. (AP) "I was told you can't become addicted to diprivan," Rowe testified. She said it was an anesthesia. Before you go to sleep, there's a bit of loss of control, she explained. "I was worried that sensation might trigger an addiction." "He was a bit of a control freak, he didn't like to be high," Rowe said. Rowe: I was just worried that part of the anesthesia would kick in. I was told you can't become addiction to it. Rowe: Dr. Metzger wanted to try Xanax and Michael said that hadn't work. I said you need to talk to each other and let me know what to do. (ABC7) Putnam asked about Metzger’s role in arranging the propofol treatment in Germany. She said the doctors came after she & Jackson talked to the Metzger. The German docs brought lots of monitoring equipment. Metzger initially suggested Jackson take a Xanax pill, but Jackson said he had tried that and it hadn’t worked. (AP)

Putnam asked about the video of Jackson performing in Munich and whether that was before or after the propofol treatment. Rowe didn’t know when the video was shot and said she couldn’t tell if it was before or after the treatments. (AP) "The shows were all the same, just the girls were different," Rowe said. And joked: "Uah, that sounds so cheap!" Everyone laughed. (ABC7)

After the divorce, Rowe never talked to the doctors about Michael's treatment anymore. Putnam: After 2000, whatever happened to Mr. Jackson you don't have first knowledge? Rowe: Correct (ABC7) Lastly, Putnam asked whether Rowe had any firsthand knowledge of Jackson’s care after the couple was divorced. She said no. (AP)


Jackson recross

In re-cross, Chang questioned: When you asked Dr. Klein if anyone could be addicted to diprivan, he said no, correct? Rowe: Yes. Chang: Was the bag of medication to wean MJ off demerol before 1993 rehab? Rowe: Yes Chang: Did he do everything he could to be the best? Rowe: He did (ABC7)

Chang asked one last final question, about whether Jackson did the best he could with his medications. Yes, she said, very faintly. (AP)

Rowe was excused.


David Slavit Video Deposition

(source : ABC7)

Dr. David Hal Slavit is a board certified otolaryngology. He's licensed to practice medicine in New York and New Jersey. He's never been suspended. Dr. Slavit performed physical exams in hundreds of patients. He has performed physical for purposes of insurance, he said. He explained the difference of physicals: problem-focus, more complete and comprehensive.

Dr. Slavit has performed physical for performance cancellation insurance. He said he checks vital signs, ear, nose, throat, neck, eyes, examination heart, lungs, abdomen and peripheral pulses. Q: Who typically contact you for performance cancellation insurance? Dr. Slavit said it's usually insurance broker or artist management. He said he's done approximately 30 physicals for performance cancellation insurance, mostly for singers, but not all. The majority of times, check comes from the insurance broker. He's done physicals in hotels, rehearsal studios, artist's home, office Dr. Slavit said he's done approximately 20 times for Robertson Taylor, insurance broker.

On Feb 4, 2009, Dr. Slavit conducted a physical on Michael Jackson in connection with a performance cancellation insurance. Bob Taylor contacted Dr Slavit somewhere in the months prior to the physical. "He basically asked if I would agree to do the physical on MJ" . "It was my understanding he was going to perform," Dr. Slavit said. "Yes, I requested to review the prior 5 years of medical records," Dr. Slavit said. He wanted to be as accurate as possible. "I'd say it's not typical," Dr. Slavit testified about getting 5 years prior of medical history, but he had done before other than MJ. Dr. Slavit said this is done if there were prior questions of medical health. "There were questions that had been raised by the broker," Dr. Slavit said. He doesn't know specifically what was asked. Dr. Slavit said insurance broker questioned MJ's breathing capacity, his pulmonary status and overall health. Q: Nothing about prior drug abuse? Dr. Slavit: Not that I recall. The doctor did not ask anything else other than 5 years medical history. He said he was not limited in MJ's examination at any time. Dr. Slavit never received any MJ's medical history, other than what the artist told him during examination.

The physical was done at MJ's house in Los Angeles, the doctor said. Attorney showed documents doc prepared during and after the physical. Patient's name on blood work request: Mark Jones. It's an alias, Dr. Slavit said, just to protect Michael Jackson's privacy. Q: Did you find MJ to be in great physical condition? A: Based on the information I had, yes. Note on form says "today's found Mr. Jackson to be in excellent condition." It also says MJ had allergy and a bit of cold. He was on short course of antibiotics, Dr. Slavit said, he's not on any other medication.

Q: Did he tell you he was taking painkillers? A: He told me he was not taking any painkillers. "He stated he was not taking any medications other than antibiotics," Dr. Slavit testified. Dr. Slavit didn't see anything that suggested MJ was not telling the truth. He didn't find any typical signs of narcotic intoxication.

"Dr. Conrad Murray follows Mr. Jackson on a regular basis," the form said. Dr. Slavit explained Murray was identified by Mr. Jackson as his personal physician and reported seeing him as needed. Dr. Slavit: He reported seeing him a couple of months prior to the physical just for check-up.. "It was a routine check-up," Dr. Salvit said. MJ didn't discuss the details of the visit. Other than Dr. Kantor no one else was mentioned as providing care, Dr Slavit said. Q: Did he tell you MJ said he liked Dr. Murray? A: Yes Q: Did he say he was a good doctor? A: I don't know if used that word. "That he was caring for him, that he was satisfied with the care he was getting, that's basically what he said," Dr. Slavit said.

Dr. Slavit's form said MJ's vital signs were normal. Heart sound was normal, no murmurs. Dr. Slavit: I assessed his pulmonary status with stethoscope, no further pulmonary test done. Q: Did you have difficulty drawing blood? A: I had a little difficulty drawing blood. He used MJ's left arm, and took the specimen himself to the laboratory. Blood work result was normal consistent with MJ being in good health.

Form notes MJ was mature, open and candid with Dr. Slavit. Q: Was he capable of making decisions? A: Yes. Q: Capable of control of his health? A: Yes Q: Why candid? A: That's the perception I got. Q: Was he lucid? A: Yes Q: Speech slurred? A: No Q: Tired? A: No. Q: Did he say he had trouble sleeping? A: He didn't say he had trouble sleeping, he didn't say he had insomnia.. Dr. Slavit: He denied any prior medical problem except for the cold.

Dr. Slavit wrote MJ was in good health, good diet and exercise. He interacted with his doctor for routine check ups. MJ visited his laryngologist for minor issues, seemed proactive and attune to his health. There was an acknowledgment of the need for rest or avoidance of exhaustion. Q: Did MJ ask you to prescribe any medication? A: No

Michael Jackson signed the forms. Dr. Slavit said he saw MJ sign it. At the time of the examination the form was filled out with Michael Jackson. We reviewed the form before he signed it. There are questions on the form that were filled out during the physical. Dr. Slavit said MJ was the only source of the responses. Q: Was there any significant change of weight? A: No The question regarding excessive use of drugs or alcohol was circled 'no'. MJ told Dr. Slavit he was last examined a couple of months prior for routine. Dr. Murray was identified as personal physician. When asked if he felt in good physical condition, Dr. Slavit said MJ responded yes. "That was his answer." Temperature was 98 degrees. Weight: 127 lbs - MJ told him that's what he weighed. Q: Based on your examination, it appeared accurate? A: Yes . Height was self reported also. He told Dr. Slavit he was 5 foot 9. Dr. Slavit received full payment for the physical on Michael Jackson. Q: Did you notice any track mark on MJ when you examined him? A: There were none Q: Did you look his arms? A: Yes Q: His legs? A: Yes. "In the course of reviewing his past medical history there were no surgeries reported," Dr. Slavit said.

Dr. Slavit gave copy of the record to the Coroner pursuant to legal subpoena. Feb 2009 was the only time Dr. Slavit talked to MJ.

Dr. Slavit charges: $6,000 for service $3,000 lab and supply $5,849 for travel and hotel . Dr. Slavit: My understanding my job was to find out if he was able physically to perform. "I was never provided records," Dr. Slavit said. He never contacted Dr. Murray directly to get medical record. "I would require permission from MJ to do that (test for opiates or drugs)," Dr. Slavit said. There was no need at the time to test him.

Dr. Slavit had been working with Bob Taylor for about 10 years prior to doing physical with MJ. Q: Did Mr. Taylor tell you MJ was being badly mauled in the press in England and that it was getting difficult to obtain insurance? A: No. Dr. Slavit did not know where the rumors came from.
Q: Was it clear to you that MJ had plastic surgery? A: Yes.
Dr. Slavit said he examined inside MJ's nose and how it looked.
Q: And did it look ok? A: Yes. Dr. Slavit was at MJ's house between 2.5 and 3 hours for the physical.
Q: If you had any suspicion that MJ was using opioids or other drugs improperly, you'd you have tested him? A: I may have.
Q: Did Mr. Jackson deny anything you requested of him? A: No

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Jacksons vs AEG - Day 71 – August 16 2013 – Summary

In addition to testimony, one development this morning was that the plaintiff's rested their case. Attorney Brian Panish didn't want to but Judge Yvette Palazuelos told him she would tell the jury the plaintiff's case was done if he didn't. The judge said it didn't foreclose Panish from calling additional witnesses during his rebuttal case. Plaintiff's resting will allow for argument on an AEG motion to dismiss the case at some point. No word on when those arguments will happen. Panish told the jury that the plaintiff's case officially ended after Kenny Ortega's testimony was done. Judge called it a "formality." (AP) After jury entered the room, plaintiffs attorney Brian Panish announced he has rested their case in chief, subject to conclusion with Ortega


Dr. Gary Green Testimony


(Source : ABC7)


AEG direct


Attorney Jessica Stebbins Bina is doing direct examination.

Dr. Green is a doctor board certified in internal medicine and sports medicine. He's currently the head team physician for Pepperdine University and is the medical director performance enhancement drugs for MLB. He oversees medical care of athletes both in minor and major leagues of baseball, also sees general students at Pepperdine, not just athletes. The doctor conducts research on behalf of MLB at UCLA pathology department regarding enhancement drug use. He's also a clinical professor at UCLA and a partner at primary care group, sees general patients as well. Dr. Green is the team physician for the US Soccer team and Pepperdine, worked in Olympic Games of 2002, MLB, NCAA, was UCLA team physician.

Dr Green said sports medicine is somewhat like regular medicine. "Doctors should do no harm; doctors should do what's best for the patient" He said he always wanted to be a family doctor and treat patients for all their lives. Dr. Green said before athletes know what medical problem they have, they want to know when they can play next.

Dr. Green said he has similar or greater experience that Dr. Gordon Matheson, since Dr. Matheson doesn't have private practice. Dr. Matheson testified earlier in the trial on behalf of plaintiffs.

Dr. Green worked with O'Melveny & Myers before in a case involving Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather, Jr. The expert said he was surprise being called in this case, since it has nothing to do with athletes. Dr. Green reviewed extensive material, deposition and trial testimony in this case. The doctor said he spent about 115 hours in this case, bills $500 per hour. He said he's billed approximately $20,000 to $25,000 up-to-date. There will be about $25,000 to $30,000 to be billed, total approximately $50,000.

Bina asked if he agrees with Dr. Matheson this is a conflict of interest case. "I disagree with Dr. Matheson completely," Dr. Green said.

Dr. Green's opinion:
1- Sports medicine is the wrong analogy
2- Facts don't support conflict of interest alleged by Dr. Matheson
3- Conflict of interest alleged did not lead to poor medical care
4- Dr. Matheson disregarded key principles to reach his conclusions

Dr. Green said this case is much closer to regular doctor-patient medicine than sports medicine. Doctors have ethical obligation to do no harm to the patient," he said. "There's conflict of interest on a daily basis between doc/patient" Dr. Green said through experience doctors learn very quickly how to manage conflicts and have the patient's best interest first.

1- Sports Medicine is the Wrong Analogy

A: Who selects doctor?
Team Sports: Team/School
Primary Care Practice: Patient
This Case: Patient

Dr. Green said in team sports, the team or school chooses the doctor. In primary care practice and in this case, MJ chose the doctor. "In my private practice, I'm selected by the patient." Dr. Green said. "They choose whether they want to come see me or not." Dr. Green: MJ brought Dr. Murray to the attention of AEG Live and MJ insisted to bring the doctor on tour. At one point, AEG explored other options and MJ wanted his physician, Dr. Green testified. The expert said there's no evidence Dr. Murray has been asked to treat anyone else but MJ and perhaps the children.

Doc said in team sports player, coach, team, public have the right to information from doctor. In private practice/this case only patient. Dr. Murray was not allowed to share any information wit AEG Live or anyone else, the doctor testified. There's no release form to share info.

Dr Green said plaintiffs hired Dr Matheson to say that this was a sports medicine analogy. "It's just not the correct analysis in this case" Dr. Green said one of the articles Dr. Matheson used is entitled "The Unique Aspects of Sports Medicine," and this is not the same. Dr. Green explained the Jackson family claim there was conflict between AEG and Murray to influence the type of medical care used with MJ.

Dr. Green explained that in order for conflict of interest to exist, each party had to have different interests. "MJ wanted to remain healthy to do the tour," he said. "Dr. Murray wanted MJ to be healthy, it's his ethical obligation and he wanted him to complete the tour," he said. "AEG Live needed a healthy MJ to be in good health, this was a long tour," he expressed. Bina: If there were no tour, do you have any reason to believe Dr. Murray would be paid $150,000 a month? Dr. Green: No, I do not. "It was Dr. Murray's interest to keep MJ healthy to have him perform the shows," Dr. Green opined.


2- Facts Don't Support Alleged Conflicts

- Health interests of MJ, Dr. Murray and AEG Live were aligned
- - No secret arrangement
- Jackson requested Dr. Murray
- Dr. Murray demonstrated independence from AEG Live
---- Advised MJ not to go to rehearsal
---- Told tour personnel to "stay in their lane"
---- Refused to provide medical records to insurers
---- Requested contract changes to increase independence
- Evidence does not support claim that AEG Live directed medical care
- Timing of contract drafts doesn't support Matheson's claims

"There's no secret arrangement," Dr. Green said. "In this situation, everything was out in the open." Dr. Green: It was to be signed by Dr. Murray, MJ and AEG Live. There was nothing hidden. Dr. Green: Dr. Murray knew AEG Live would be advancing the money on behalf of MJ, MJ knew AEG would advance the money. "That was selected by Michael Jackson," Dr. Green opined. "There was no secrecy, he requested Dr. Murray to go on tour." "If there was any secrecy was between Murray and MJ," Dr. Green opined. "There's no evidence AEG was aware Murray was giving MJ Propofol." "AEG was not controlling Dr. Murray," Dr. Green said. "He acted independently from AEG." "If Dr. Murray were taking orders from AEG Live, he'd not have told people to stay in their lane," Dr. Green opined. Dr. Green said Dr. Murray refused to provide his own medical records of MJ to insurers. MJ denied releasing the medical history. The expert said Dr. Murray requested Kathy Jorrie to change the contract to have more independence. "He asked to keep money for the entire money should he be discharged mid-month," Dr. Green testified. Dr. Green pointed out Dr. Murray asked to change the contract to limit him to perform services requested by artist, not producer. "I believe that it further demonstrates Dr. Murray's independence from AEG Live."

Dr. Green said that it's not unusual for family/friends to call him to talk about a patient he's about to see. He said family/friends may tell him things that the patient wouldn't. The expert said that in all the meetings, there were several people present, which supports the fact there was no secrecy.

First draft of the contract was June 16. "Dr. Murray's behavior in this case and care to MJ began way before that," Dr. Green explained. "If Dr. Matheson is correct and terms of contract influenced Murray's behavior, he started treating him way before contract draft" he said “There's no evidence of Michael Jackson use of Propofol to AEG," Dr. Green opined. Timeline per Dr. Green: 2006 -- Dr Murray begins treating Jackson family January 2009 -- Dr. Murray treated Prince and Michael in LA. Dr. Green: MJ had a physical in 2009 with Dr. Slavit. He asked who was his personal physician and MJ said Dr. Murray. Kai Chase testified Dr. Murray was frequently at Carolwood house in April, May and June 2009. On April 6, 2009, Dr. Murray ordered Propofol to be shipped to LA, the expert said. Dr. Green pointed out that all of that happened before AEG Live had any knowledge of Dr. Murray. Dr. Green: I think it's very clear the relationship of Murray-MJ pre-date AEG being involved. Furthermore, his use of Propofol pre-dates AEG. Dr. Murray re-ordered Propofol on April 28, 2009, Dr. Green said.

"Not only do I disagree with Dr. Matheson's conclusion but the manner of which he came to his conclusion," Dr. Green said. "Patients and competent adults have the right to choose their own physician," Dr. Green testified. "In this case, MJ chose Dr. Murray as his own physician and wanted him to go on tour," Dr. Green opined. Dr. Green: AEG Live looked at other possibilities and in response MJ, a competent adult, said no, I want my own doctor. "Continuity of care is a very important principle," Dr. Green explain. That way the doctor knows the history of the patient. Dr. Green said Dr. Matheson wanted AEG to go around MJ and find another physician for him.

Dr. Green: Physician's duty to the patient is paramount, and that's the number one priority and what doctors should always be concerned. "Physicians are under the obligation, regarding any interest, to put their patients first," Dr. Green expressed. Dr. Green said Dr. Murray disregarded the Hippocratic oath, standard of care and probably violated prescribing rules.



Jackson cross


Jacksons' attorney William Bloss did cross examination.

Bloss: Would you agree large incentives can create conflict of interest? Dr. Green: Yes, financial incentive can create conflict of interest. "Regardless financial incentive, it does not take away from physician's obligation to the patient," Dr. Green explained.

Code of Ethics of American Medical Association. Bloss showed opinion of "Financial Incentives and the Practice of Medicine." a) Large incentives may create conflict of interest that can in turn compromise clinical objectivity. AMA says: "It's important to recognize that sufficient large incentives can create an untenable position for physicians."

"Financial rewards do not obligate physicians to compromise their medical judgment," Dr. Green opined.

Bloss: Is $150,000 a month a large incentive? Dr. Green: It depends on the situation. Bloss asked how about a doctor whose house is about to go on foreclosure, $600,000 in outstanding debt, behind child support payment? "I'm sure many doctors have great deal of debt, possibly more than that, and still practice medicine in an ethical manner," Dr Green said

Bloss showed Kai Chase's testimony, where she said she didn't see Dr. Murray as much in April, was there about 3 times a week. Dr. Green said he was not accurate when he mentioned Chase said Dr. Murray was at Carolwood in March of 2009.

Dr. Green said on April 19, 2009, Dr. Metzger went to Carolwood to meet MJ. He said MJ asked for sleep medication. Bloss: Do you recall MJ asked Cherilyn Lee to give him sleep aid? I don't recall dates, need to see the testimony. Bloss: If a nurse says there were no equipments at the house 4 Murray to inject MJ w/ Propofol on Apr19 is that inconsistent? Dr. Green: No. Bloss: Do you have information MJ was seeking Propofol from people other than Dr. Murray? Dr. Green: Yes, Dr. Metzger and Cherilyn Lee. On Apr 19, MJ asked Cherilyn Lee to find someone to give him Propofol, Bloss said. He asked if it'd be consistent w/ Murray there same day. Dr. Green: We see addicts and they go to multiple sources, I could only speculate why MJ was seeking Propofol from more than one person. "It's not inconsistent somebody seeking drugs from several sources" Dr Green said. "Particularly with that drug which wasn't easy to obtain"

Bloss: Was Dr. Murray giving MJ Propofol on April 19th and 12th at Carolwood? Dr. Green: Yes. Dr. Green said he cannot testify to the exact date because Dr. Murray kept no records to maintain it secretive.

Dr. Green charges AEG $3,000 per half day of work, $6,000 for full day.

Bloss showed email from Ortega to Gongaware on Jun 14, 2009 saying "Are you aware MJ's doctor didn't permit him to attend rehearsals today?" "This just shows Dr. Murray independence to advise MJ not to attend rehearsal," Dr. Green said. Email from Gongaware: "We want to remind him that it's AEG, not MJ, who is paying his salary." Dr. Green said the best person to ask about this email is who wrote it/received it. Since he's neither, it'd speculation to interpret it. "I believe Mr. Gongaware didn't recall this email," Dr. Green said. "Mr. Ortega said he didn't understand what it meant." Bloss: Is this email material to your opinion? Dr. Green: Yes, I feel that it supports my opinion. Bloss: Even the part that says "AEG, not MJ, paying his salary?" Dr. Green: Yes. Dr. Green said in his deposition that nothing in the email supported his opinion. He said he testified differently at deposition. Bloss asked in deposition whether "AEG, not MJ, paying his salary" email did not influence his opinion, correct? "Yes," Dr. Green responded. Dr. Green: Now that I responded differently is because I had additional information. Dr. Green: One is Mr. Gongaware's testimony, and further reviewed evidence this was never communicated to Dr. Murray. "The fact that it was never communicated to Dr. Murray let me believe it was not influencing," Dr. Green explained. Dr. Green said he doesn't believe either Gongaware or anyone else at AEG told Dr. Murray "it's AEG, not MJ, who's paying his salary." "You need to look at the context of this email, you can't just pull out a word here or there," Dr. Green said. Bloss asked if "we want him to understand what's expected of him" mention in the email influenced his opinion. "No, it would not sway my opinion one way or the other," Dr. Green said. Dr. Green said he did not ask to meet with Gongaware or Phillips to try to get more information about the email and their intent.

Bloss asked about the meeting at Carolwood's house on June 16, 2009, which they called "intervention." He asked if Chase said Dr. Murray bursted out of the meeting and said "I can't take this s**t anymore." "I read the testimony of of Ms. Chase and that was her perception," Dr. Green said. Mr. Gongaware had a much different account of the meeting than what Chase testified, Bloss said. Dr. Green said Chase wasn't present for the entire meeting, but Gongaware was. He would give a little more weight to Gongaware since he was present for the full meeting. "Assuming that Chase's recollection is correct, I think there are many interpretations of Dr. Murray's outburst," Dr. Green said. Bloss asked if it could be that Dr. Murray was feeling pressured by AEG. Dr. Green: It could be that Dr. Murray could be feeling pressured he was giving unethical and illegal drugs. "That certainly could create pressure in Dr. Murray to make an outburst like that," Dr. Green said. "There was nothing to suggest in the meeting that Dr. Murray was in danger of losing the gig." Dr. Green said.

Dr. Green didn't receive the "Trouble at the Front" email chain until after he was involved in the case. Bloss showed Bugzee's email saying MJ was basket case. "Only information that MJ was not in good health on June 19," Dr Green said about it. "Dr. Murray wasn't keeping records at this time, but I believe MJ was under his care," Dr. Green said. Bloss showed the email where Ortega said "now that we brought the doctor in to the fold." Dr. Green said this email showed Ortega was concerned with MJ's health. He doesn't know what the director meant by "doctor in to the fold." Bloss: Because you didn't understand what this meant, this email didn't influence you, correct? "I think you have to put this entire thing in context and the context is that he was concerned with Mr. Jackson's health" Dr Green explained. Dr. Green said several people raised questions about MJ's psychological situation.

Dr. Green said he believes Dr. Murray was board certified but it had lapsed in 2008. Murray does not have psychiatry training.

Bloss talked about the lengthy conversation Randy Phillips with Dr. Murray. He asked if he knew for sure what they talked about. He said no. Bloss asked about another Phillips' email.

Panish laughed out loud when Dr. Green responded he recalls testimony but preferred reading again. Judge called Panish out, he apologized. Judge ordered all the attorneys in her chambers for quick sidebar. Back in the courtroom in front of jury: Panish: Your honor, I'd like to apologize to Dr. Green for that laugh. Dr. Green: Apologies accepted. Panish: I'm sincerely sorry Dr. Green: No harm, no foul

Bloss talked about "this doctor is extremely successful, we checked him out." Dr. Green said he thought Phillips meant that based on Kathy Jorrie's testimony regarding the check she did.

"I do not see anything to change my opinion of conflict of interest in this case," Dr. Green said. Bloss showed another part of the "Trouble at the Front" email with Phillips saying "Tim and I are going to see him tomorrow." Bloss asked if that statement was material to his opinion. "Only that AEG was concerned about what was going on and were doing something about it," Dr. Green said.

Dr. Green said he considered all the evidence in the case, since everything is important. Dr. Green sad he's not sure what Phillips meant when he asked "is it chemical or physiological." "I can only speculate."

Dr Green said he was asked to analyze if this is a sports medicine case and whether or not conflict of interest led to his poor medical care

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Judge adjourned trial. Attorneys ordered back at 10:45 am PT on Monday, jurors at 1:30 pm PT. Dr. Green returns then.

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Jacksons vs AEG - Day 72 – August 19 2013 – Summary

Jackson family is not in court


Dr. Gary Green Testimony


Jackson cross

Green is an expert on medical conflicts of interest who is testifying for AEG Live. He is refuting testimony by a plaintiff’s expert. (AP) Dr. Green said over the weekend he reviewed his testimony from Friday, reviewed materials provided earlier and met with AEG attorneys. (ABC7)

Bloss: Do you remember Dr Matheson testifying that it didn’t appear Phillips had full recollection of phone call between Phillips-Murray? Dr. Green: Yes, it appears from Mr. Phillips’ testimony he does not have a full recollection of the phone call. Dr. Green: Phillips wasn’t able to recall the specifics content of the phone call, but he wrote email that could indicate of what was spoken. “There’s no evidence that Mr Phillips put any pressure on Dr. Murray in that phone call,” Dr. Green explained. Dr. Green said he has not seen any evidence showing Phillips put pressure on Dr. Murray. (ABC7)

Bloss asked Green about the 20+ minute phone call that Phillips had with Murray before the June 20, 2009 meeting. Green was asked to assume that Phillips threatened or pressured Dr. Murray, and whether that changed his opinions in the case. “Assuming he made that threat, that does not change my conclusions,” Green said. (AP)

Bloss asked how Dr. Green reconciled any inconsistency in testimonies. He said he looked if any of them relate to his opinion in the case. “In this case, my opinions are the same as I stated the other day,” Dr. Green expressed. Bloss: Was there any fact inconsistent with your opinion? Dr. Green: Not that I can recall at this time. Bloss: You said your opinion was based on Phillips, Ortega and Gongaware, correct? Dr. Green: That was part of it. (ABC7)

Bloss: Is the basis of your conclusion that AEG Live did not direct Dr. Murray’s action the testimony of Phillips, Gongaware and Ortega? Dr. Green: Part of it yes, but I may have seen other evidence leading me to that conclusion. (ABC7)

Bloss showed email chain “Trouble at the Front” and meeting on June 20, 2009. (ABC7) Bloss showed Green several emails the jury’s seen throughout the case, including one of AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips’ emails to Kenny Ortega. That message told Ortega not to be any amateur psychiatrist or physician and try to diagnose Michael Jackson’s health issues. Bloss asked Green whether that email changed his opinion that AEG didn’t create a conflict of interest for Conrad Murray. Green said no. (AP)

“There were several accounts of that meeting,” Dr. Green said Bloss: Do you recall Dr. Murray telling AEG to “stay in your lane” and that it showed independency? “There’s a little bit of dispute as to what really happened at that meeting,” Dr. Green testified. (ABC7) Green was asked about his recollection of the testimony about a June 20, 2009 meeting between Ortega, Phillips, Murray and Jackson. The doctor initially said he thought Murray had told Ortega and Phillips to stay out of Jackson’s medical care, but Green recalled after some additional questions by Bloss that Murray’s comments were directed only at Kenny Ortega. (AP)

Dr Green: In my opinion in this case the health interests were aligned and there were no conflict of interests that led to poor medical care (ABC7)

Dr Green said when Phillips asked what was wrong with MJ it could be Murray was following privacy laws not disclosing MJ’s medical condition. Bloss asked if Dr. Murray said ‘sorry, I can’t tell you what’s wrong because of HIPPA privacy laws’? “There’s not requirement that Dr. Murray would have to say that,” Dr. Green opined. (ABC7)

“There’s seems not to be any evidence that Dr. Murray was pressured,” Dr. Green said. “It was ultimately up to Dr. Murray to make decisions in the best interest of his patient and he didn’t do that,” Dr. Green opined. Bloss: Even if Mr. Phillips threatened to cancel the tour, that doesn’t change your opinion? Dr. Green: It still does not take away Dr. Murray’s responsibility with the patient. (ABC7)

Bloss played video depo of Dr Green. He said he accepted as true Phillips’ accounting of what happened in that meeting to issue his opinion. “Mr. Phillip testified under oath, I credited his opinion,” Dr. Green said. He said he also credited other testimony as well, such as Ortega “I have no way of resolving which way is true,” Dr. Green explained about different accounts of the meeting. (ABC7)

Dr. Green said he’s aware of two people feeling MJ needed psychiatric help and some people being afraid MJ could die. Bloss asked about Phillips saying it was not the right time to introduce a new person into MJ’s life after psychiatric help was suggested. Bloss showed email from Hougdahl saying he has watched MJ deteriorate for the past 8 weeks and the singer needed a shrink to get thru all. Dr. Green said he’s not sure if he was given copy of this email to review before or after his deposition. After reading his depo, he recalled he had not received it until after the depo and did not consider this email in his conclusion. (ABC7)

Dr. Matheson brought an article entitled “Conflict of Interest in Medical Research, Education, and Practice” to his deposition. The definition Dr. Matheson testified about conflict of interest is not the same formal definition Dr. Green relied upon. “Conflicts of interest are defined as circumstances that create a risk that professional judgments or actions regarding a primary interest.. will be unduly influenced by a secondary interest.” Bloss asked if the agreed with the definition above. “I agree that it’s a reasonable definition but not the only one,” Dr. Green said. Another article Dr. Matheson brought to his deposition: Conflict of interest refers to a “set of conditions in which professional judgment concerning a primary interest (patient’s welfare or the validity of research) is unduly influenced by a secondary interest (financial gain)” Bloss: Do you agree with that? Dr. Green: Yes, that’s a reasonable definition. (ABC7) Green agreed that many were valid definitions of conflicts of interest, but that he didn’t agree that money always created a conflict issue. (AP)

Bloss showed another article "Principles for Identifying and Assessing Conflicts of Interests." Bloss: Do you agree that financial interest is the most powerful corroding force in a conflict of interest? Dr. Green: In my experience, however, I've seen physicians do all sort of things for reasons other than financial. Dr. Green said he's not aware there's way to rate the most powerful conflict of interest. He believes financial interest can create conflict. Bloss showed a report, which summarizes physicians' statements. "When individuals stand to gain by reaching a particular conclusion, they tend to unconsciously and unintentionally weight evidence is a biased fashion." Dr. Green said psychologically speaking, he agrees with the statement above. "I agree money can corrode professional responsibility but I'm not sure it's the most corroding thing in conflict of interest" Dr Green said. Dr. Green said he agreed that the greater the value the more probable its influence is. He highlighted the word 'probable,' though. (ABC7)

Bloss showed Dr. Green MLB's policy on assessment and management of concussion on ballplayers. Policy was adopted in 2010 or 2011. Since then, MLB has to review team physician's actions before an athlete is allowed to return to play. Dr. Green said his position is more of an administrative position with MLB, he doesn't see the patients. He is responsible to make sure the latest rules regarding concussion is followed. He said it's a very controversial area. Bloss asked if the reason team does not have unilateral power to have athlete return to play is because of potential conflict of interest. Dr. Green responded the reason is because there's competition. "It's not about trusting the team's physician, it's about the competition." Dr Green testify he/MLB can deny a team physician's request to put a player back on the field after a concussion. The union doc also opines. Bloss asked if the reason is because there could be conflict of interest between team physician and his responsibility with the player. "Yes, in very small part," Dr. Green responded. "Part of my responsibility is to return athletes to play," he said. (ABC7) Bloss asked about Green’s work with Major League Baseball, specifically its concussion policy. Green reviews team doctors’ decision when a player suffers a concussion. He said a team doctor cannot return a player who has a concussion to a game without outside review. Green said the MLB policy isn’t about conflict of interests, but making sure no team had a competitive advantage “We have rules for everything, how you wear your socks, how you do everything,” Green said. “It has to do with the competitive balance.” (AP)

Bloss said on Jun 14 Gongaware's sent email saying "we need to remind him it's AEG, not MJ who's paying his salary"/"what's expected of him". Then on June 16 Dr. Murray received first draft of the contract agreement with provision that if tour were canceled the agreement would too. Dr. Green said that everyday after June 16, 2009, Dr. Murray knew about that provision. And that included June 24 and 25, the say MJ died. (ABC7)

Bloss asked about meeting nurse Cherilyn Lee had w/ MJ at some point. She testified on April 19 MJ complained of having trouble sleeping. MJ asked Lee to find a doctor who would give him Propofol. Dr. Green said this happened 13 days after Dr. Murray ordered Propofol. (ABC7)

Dr. Green is a clinical professor at UCLA, approximately 16 hours/week. He said there are clinical and tenure tracks. Dr. Green has no experience in the music business, has never worked in concert or for promoter of concerts. (ABC7)

"There could be conflict of interest in any case," Dr. Green said. Bloss asked if having a sole patient increases the risk. He said it could. Bloss: Does Dr. Murray's financial status matters at all to your opinion? Dr. Green: No, it does not. "I had a general impression that he was in debt," Dr. Green said. He believes his understanding was based on media reports on Dr. Murray. (ABC7)

Bloss asked if Detective Martinez suspected financial motive for Murray to violate Hippocratic oath. Dr. Green said that's what he testified. Bloss asked if getting easy money, $150,000 a month, created an incentive to bend the rules. "Yes, and I believe he (Det. Martinez) testified it was Dr. Murray's decision," Dr. Green said. (ABC7) Bloss also asked about testimony by LAPD Det. Orlando Martinez, who said he believed Murray needed money and that influenced his actions. (AP)

Bloss: Is that true you cannot say why Dr. Murray acted ethically in this case? "Not knowing Dr. Murray and not hearing his testimony, I cannot say with certainty why Dr. Murray committed this crime," Dr. Green said. (ABC7) Green: “I cannot say within a reasonable degree of medical probability why Dr. Murray committed this crime.” (AP)

The doctor was asked whether he’d ever seen an agreement similar to the one between AEG Live, Jackson and Murray. Green said no (AP ) Bloss: Have you ever seen a three-way relationship between a physician, a patient and a third party? Dr. Green: No, nothing like this. Dr. Green testified his understanding is that AEG Live was going to advance money to Dr. Murray on behalf of Michael Jackson. Dr. Green agreed Dr. Murray's contract termination could be done by MJ and multiple ways by AEG Live unilateral. "I agree that the longer the tour went on, the more financial gain Dr. Murray would have," Dr. Green testified. (ABC7)

Based on MJ's physical condition in June 2009, Dr. Green said he has no reasonable opinion whether the tour should've been postponed or not. (ABC7)

Bloss concluded his questioning, and AEG Live defense attorney Jessica Stebbins Bina took over on re-direct. (AP)


AEG redirect

In re-cross Dr Green said he was retained in the case on March 4, 2013 to consider his expertise in sports medicine and conflict of interest . He was also asked to review Dr. Matheson's testimony. Dr. Green listed the depositions and declarations he reviewed prior to his own deposition. Dr Green attended almost all of Dr Matheson's deposition. He said he wanted to hear him saying his opinion as opposed to reading it on paper. Dr. Green: I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Matheson. If I had agreed with Dr. Matheson's opinion, I'd have communicated it to AEG. Dr. Green said there has been cases where he gave opinion that the attorneys ended up not using in their cases. Dr. Green: I considered the evidence and I came to my own conclusions. Dr. Green: My practice is that I present them to the attorneys and whatever they want to do with that is their business, not mine. "The more information I found, the more it strengthen my opinion," Dr. Green testified. (ABC7) She asked Green what he would have done if his opinion was the same as a plaintiff’s expert. He said he would have told AEG Live’s lawyers. Green said when that’s happened in other cases, the lawyers haven’t used him as an expert witness. “I look at opinions like I would a medical diagnosis,” Green said. He said new info sometimes changes his opinions. (AP)

Stebbins Bina asked Green about some of the conflict of interest definitions that Bloss asked about. Green said about one document that it was guidance for physicians only, not for third parties or patients. “Patients must be informed of financial incentives that could impact the level of care they receive,” one of the documents read. Green said Jackson was aware of incentives to Murray. “Not only was Michael Jackson informed of the financial incentives, he created them.” (AP) Bina asked about a doc shown on Friday about conflict of interest. Dr. Green said the document is a guidance for physicians on what to do. Bina asked about the article: "Patients must be informed of financial incentives that could impact the level or type of care they receive." Dr Green said the statement further proves his opinion. "Not only was MJ the patient informed of financial incentive, he created it as well" The expert said MJ requested Dr. Murray and suggested the payment of $150,000 a month. (ABC7)

Stebbins Bina asked Green about emails he reviewed in the case expressing concerns about Jackson’s health and whether they changed his opinions in the case. Green said they didn’t, because they didn’t indicate AEG was directing Michael Jackson’s care. Green said his interpretation of the the emails from AEG executives was that they were showing concern about Jackson’s health. (AP) Dr. Green said email Phillips wrote showed they were very concerned about MJ's health, proved his opinion that parties shared same interest. The expert said the fact that Dr. Murray told Ortega to "stay in your lane" proves the doctor was independent. (ABC7)

Dr. Green testified that, as a competent adult, you can't make anyone go see a doctor. Dr. Green said Dr. Klein saw MJ on June 22. He reviewed the medical records. He said Dr. Klein had seen MJ about 30 times between March and June and in no case he mentioned psychological problems. Dr. Green: The emails I reviewed really showed concern on behalf of AEG and I did not see anything AEG was directing the type of care. (ABC7)

Dr Green said he reviewed testimony Murray was off on Sundays. Apr 19 when MJ asked Lee to find a doctor to give him Propofol was Sunday. (ABC7)

Stebbins Bina wrapped up, and Bloss was able to ask a few concluding questions before court adjourned for the day. (AP)


Jackson recross

In re-cross, Bloss asked if $150,000 a month is large incentive, is it not? Dr. Green: In general, yes. "That's more than I make at Pepperdine as the team's physician," Dr. Green said. "By a lot." But he pointed out it's not his only job. (ABC7)

Bloss asked whether Green had any information about what Phillips and Murray discussed on their June 20, 2009 phone call. He didn’t. Green said he didn’t know whether they discussed drug use, medical treatment or any other topics. He only knew what Phillips testified about. (AP)


Bloss pointed out that when Dr. Murray told Ortega to "stay in your lane" if Phillips said anything. He said no. (ABC7)


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Next witness is Rhoma Young, HR specialist as AEG's expert.

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Jacksons vs AEG - Day 73 – August 20 2013 – Summary

No Jackson family members are in court today.

The judge laid out a schedule on when certain motions will be argued in the next couple weeks. Katherine Jackson wants to amend her lawsuit. AEG Live is seeking a dismissal of the case, claiming the plaintiffs haven’t shown enough evidence to send the case to the jury. AEG’s motion won’t be heard until Sept. 5 so that all the lawyers who need to argue it can be present. (AP)



Rhoma Young Testimony



AEG Direct

AEG called their next witness, Rhoma Young. She's a Human Resources consultant. (ABC7) She was questioned by AEG Live attorney Jessica Stebbins Bina. (AP)

Young said she was asked to look at the practices and policies of AEG Live, their independent contractors and testimony to see if consistent (ABC7) She has testified in detail about the differences between an employee and an independent contractor. (AP)

Young explained she's been in the business going on 40 years. She has her own consulting company in the Bay area. She has worked with Facebook, Microsoft, IBM, LinkedIn, Roche, UC Med Centers, private hospitals, Kaiser, Chevron. She also worked with small organizations with less than 100 employees. In the music industry, Young said she worked with the Symphony, Ballet and Opera in the Bay area. (ABC7) She has been a consultant for 30+ years. Young has consulted on HR issues with the U.S. government and large tech companies including Facebook, Microsoft and healthcare companies. (AP) Young described her extensive background in the business, the different places she has worked and education. (ABC7)

Young said she looks at the whole policy and procedures, all documents and how the company operates. Young explained part of her job is to help the organization to develop a plan to perhaps be more consistent with the written word. (ABC7)

Young reviewed an extensive list of documents in this case. She’s worked in this case close to 200 hours. Her hourly rate for research is $350 per hour and $450 and hour for testimony and deposition. Young said her bill is close to $70,000 as recent as yesterday. In court, she said she testified 95 times, or maybe more. She said she tried to testify half and half for plaintiffs and defendants and has refused work when the balance is off. “I’m not an advocate,” Young said. “Because I testify for both sides, I can’t contradict myself. My reputation is about being balanced.” (ABC7)

She also does investigations and has helped companies hiring employees. Young said an employee is an individual hired by a company. General there’s a defined way to find the employees, the screen process, layers of screen to determine who’s more qualified and who is not. When you’re hired there’s a supervisor, job title, set of expectation, training, how they are paid, employee benefits, insurance, Young said (ABC7) Employees, Young told the jury, typically apply for jobs, have supervisors, are entitled to some benefits and have a pay range. (AP)

Young explained there's are different levels of human resources. One aims for perfection and the basic, which includes reasonable practices. In the world of HR, there are certain basics that are covered in workshops, since there always is confusion. (ABC7)

One is issue between exempt and non-exempt, independent contractor and employee, Young testified. (ABC7)

Application process is the initial screening process of a potential employee, Young said, if person meets the basic qualification. Young said there could be several interviews and done by different ways, like by one person or group of individuals. (ABC7)

Young explained independent contractors are usually sourced through different method and different way. The expert said you can get personal referral or look for professional organizations to find independent contractors. There’s no application. Young testify for independent contractors you talk about price, timing, scheduling, license and there’s contract prior to beginning of work. (ABC7) Independent contractors aren’t employees, Young said, and aren’t entitled to insurance or other benefits and don’t have a supervisor. Independent contractors also are typically referred to a job, and don’t get on-the-job training as an employee might, Young said. Young made a point of telling the jury that her definitions of employees and independent contractors aren't legal ones. (AP)

In order to obtain a medical license, Young said the doctor submits to a fingerprint scan, which goes thru Department of Justice. They also go thru very thorough education background. The State of California does not check financial background of applicants to issue medical licenses, Young said. (ABC7)

Stebbins Bina showed Young a chart that Shawn Trell and plaintiff’s expert Jean Seawright testified about related to AEG Live’s practices. The chart spelled out in bullet points the company’s practices for checking out employees versus independent contractors. Young said the chart was consistent with HR-established practices for checking out employees and independent contractors. she also described appropriate background check policies. She said financial checks are expected for people working in financial roles with a company, but not necessarily for other workers. Other licenses (driving, medical) would be verified. (AP)

Bina showed chart of AEG Process to Check Out People. (ABC7)

Employees:
- Job posted
- Interview and resume
- Verify employability
– Check reference and work history
– Criminal background check is warranted
– Credit check if hired for financial position
– Obligation based on employment relationship

Independent Contractors:
– Previous Working Relationship with AEG Live or Known to the Artist or Known in the Industry
– Required licenses or permits
– Fully insured
– Indemnification provision
– Obligations laid out in contract

Employees have deductions and benefits, such as taxes, insurance, unemployment insurance, disability insurance, etc, Young explained. There’s no payroll taxes deducted from pay of independent contractors, the expert said. (ABC7)


“An employee is brought in with the expectation the person will be with the company for a while,” Young said. Thus the training is different. Independent contractor is supposed to have the expertise right now, she explained. For employee, there’s job description and a set of responsibility very defined. They are usually going to have an employee handbook she said. Handbook details the expectations from the company and what employee can expect from employer, the expert explained. Independent contractors’ duty are worked out in advance and generally with a contract. Young: Generally in my opinion, independent contractors supply their own: their insurance, equipment, etc. They are normally self-contained. (ABC7)

Young said there’s nothing inconsistent in the way AEG check people out with what’s used in the business. (ABC7)

Young said in looking at the content of Dr. Murray’s contract, she said it’s consistent with an independent contractor agreement. “That agreement signed by Dr. Murray did contain things I usually would encounter in independent contractor agreements,” Young opined. (ABC7)

Young: This is little bit of different 3-way agreement. This is AEG acting on behalf, helping MJ getting the doctor he wanted to go on tour. Bina asked who she understood asked for Dr. Murray to be hired. “Michael Jackson,” she responded. Young: My understanding is AEG was to advance funds for other personal staff on behalf of MJ at his request ultimately to be paid back by MJ. “My understanding these choices were being made by MJ. The children chose Kai Chase, but the choices were ultimately MJ’s,” Young testified. (ABC7)

From an HR point of view, background checks could be part of both, but the way of which they are done are different, Young said. The gathering of initial information includes everything you do to find out about the person or organization you’re thinking of bringing on. For employee, Young said the check would include application, talk to prior employers, check driver’s license. Depending on the type of job, there should be a determination on whether a background check is needed or not, Young said. (ABC7)

“For independent contractors, in my opinion, you don’t do background check or criminal check,” Young said. “You have a different set of knowledge, referrals,” she said. You may ask them to provide necessary licenses, their own insurances. She said it may all be included in the agreement. (ABC7)

In an interview, the questions have to be job-related, Young said. Bina: Can you ask about how many children someone has? Young: No! Bina: Can you ask if a person anticipates to get to work on time? Young: You can say ‘the job is schedule to be performed between 8-5. Is that going to present a problem? Young said the rules are in place because you can have privacy issues, you can be asking inappropriate question not fair and equitable. (ABC7)

Young said AEG does basic checks for employees, such as is the person eligible to work, do they have driver’s license if needed for the job. She said they also do credit checks for people who have fiscal and fiduciary duties and criminal background check on some specific employees. (ABC7)

Young said that background check is much less frequently done for independent contractors than it is for employees. Young said many licenses go thru detailed background check. There’s also a possibility to do a check during the interview, if needed. She explained licenses check skills, experience. Professionals are to adhere to standards of expected performance from the issuer of license. Independent contractors give you different kinds of assurances when they are self-insured, Young explained. (ABC7)

Bina: Do you agree or disagree that a credit check was job related for MJ’s physician? Young: I absolutely do not agree. Young: The process for someone to get a medical license is fairly thorough. Secondly, I have worked in health care w/ all different settings. “As fair as I know, they do not do credit checks,” Young said. She checked places hiring, saw no reference as credit check as a requirement. “It’s not common, it’s not frequent, in fact it’s very rare,” Young testified about credit check in the healthcare industry. (ABC7)


Plaintiffs’ HR expert Jean Seawright testified earlier she relied on a study that 3% of healthcare companies did credit checks of employees. Young said 97% of healthcare company did not conduct any credit check. And that included more than just physicians, she said. Young: I helped organizations conduct recruiting, approximately 280, 300 times. Young has done only one credit check for a CFO. Young said the person was going to be making decisions of the financial and fiscal health of the organization. “It’s more of a judgment issue, how they dealt with, for the health of the organization,” Young explained. “In the professional experience I had, it is not common to do credit checks on physicians,” Young opined. (ABC7)


She disagrees that Dr. Murray’s job was high risk or sensitive. High risk is when a person performing the work has more likelihood of fatality or injury to the worker, Young explained. Bina: Is there anything here that you considered Dr. Murray’s job high risk and sensitive? Young: No, I do not. (ABC7)

Young: There were multiple occasions Ms. Seawright seemed to have ignored basic HR standards. Young: When she said there’s no difference between independent contractor and employees, for example. “How she described job relatedness, it was totally at odds from what I’d have expected from a seasoned HR professional,” Young opined. (ABC7)

Bina finished her direct examination.



Jackson cross


Jacksons’ attorney, Brian Panish, did cross examination. (ABC7)

Young said she started tracking cases she’s testified about 15 years ago. She had been testifying about 20 years, 5 years were not tracked. Young came to LA Friday evening. She met with the attorneys Saturday, Sunday and Monday, lunch today. “I don’t bill until I get in this chair,” Young said. She bills different rate when sitting around, which is at $350/hour rate. “It’s true I’m a full-time HR consultant,” Young said, adding she also has another business. Young has an antique business and jewelry design. She works 30-50 hours in HR per week, which she considers full time. (ABC7)

Panish: Do you know what a CMC certification is? Young: Yes P: And that’s something you don’t have? Y: Correct . Panish asked if she has worked with concert promoters. She said no. Panish: Ma’am, you don’t specialize in the music business? Young: No. (ABC7)

Young worked at General Motors. There were labor issues and Young represented the company. Panish: During that time, GM was laying off tens of thousands of jobs? Young: At the end of my time there, yes. (ABC7)

Panish asked if she has ever seen a 3-way party involving a doctor, patient and someone else. “I’ve worked with some clinics and going thru personnel files I saw some 3-way agreements,” Young said. There were some independent contractor situation and 3 party agreements, she explained. This was over 10 years ago. Panish: And the agreement said the doctor took directions from someone else other than the patient? Young: I didn’t read the agreements. (ABC7)

Young said she has not seen a contract between a concert promoter, doctor and patient. Panish: You’re not familiar with physicians traveling with musicians on tour? Young: Only what I read in this case. She said she’s familiar with a doctor going on “This Is It” tour and that a doctor was present in an earlier MJ tour. Panish: You never dealt with a producer/promoter trying to hire a doctor for an artist? Young: That’s correct. Young said she’s never hired a physician on behalf of anyone. She has helped in the process but was not the person to have the last say. (ABC7)

Young has not looked at Nevada’s medical license requirements prior to issuing a medical license. There was one child support situation that was late, Young said. She read in the case that Dr. Murray has 6 or 7 children. (ABC7)

Panish: You’re not disputing AEG could’ve made Dr. Murray sign a authorization for background check, are you? Young: No. Panish: Did AEG have a written policy of what they had to do to supervise an independent contractor? Young: No. Panish: Is there a written policy regarding hiring and retaining independent contractors? Young said that as far as she knew, AEG has a template of draft contract. Young explained there’s a draft, in writing, of template for dealing with independent contractors. She said she could consider that a policy. Panish showed the independent contractor template and what Young said it would be a policy and procedure. Panish: Does it say what they should check out before the employment? Young: No P: Does it say check references, prior employment? Y: No. Panish: It’s important to have clear policies and procedures to hire independent contractor in order for everyone to follow the same rules? Young said it helps. “My understanding is that all went thru legal,” she added. Panish asked what document applies for written policy/procedure for AEG Live hiring/retaining/engaging an independent contractor. “To my knowledge there isn’t one,” Young said. “As far as I know, there are no criteria in writing before hiring an independent contractor.” “I look for effectiveness not correctness when doing my audits,” Young said. Young explained she was not asked to to assess if AEG Live appropriately supervised Dr. Conrad Murray. (ABC7)

Panish asked what AEG Live did to check Dr. Murray’s license. Young said Kathy Jorrie searched the doctor’s medical license. Panish pointed out that insurance was never provided to AEG. “And the agreement was never completed,” Young responded. (ABC7)

Panish: Finding someone is different from checking them out, isn’t it? Young: Yes. You may be doing both things at the same time. Panish: In your opinion, AEG didn’t have to do anything? Young: In terms of background check and supervising Dr. Murray, no. (ABC7)

Young said she does not consider physician’s job dangerous. She said industry considers the danger to the person doing the job not 3rd party. Panish asked if one example of dangerous profession is crocodile’s keeper, wild animal holders. She said yes. “Crocodiles are dangerous creatures,” Young testified. “Have you trained a crocodile before?” Panish asked. “Not recently,” she responded. And Young took a jab at Panish: “I’ve been cross examined by one.” Everyone started laughing. (ABC7)

Young is donating the trial testimony money to the American Cancer Society. Panish said if he keeps her tomorrow there will be more money to ACS. Defense attorney objected. Everyone laughed again. (ABC7)

Frasco Profiles does background check for AEG. Panish showed provision that says “Disclosure and Authorization to Conduct Background Check”. Panish: In 2009, AEG Live had the ability to do background check on a person if they wanted to? Young: Yes. Panish: Frasco charges between $40-$125 for background checK? Young said she based her opinion on a competitor of Frasco. The answer is yes. Young is familiar with credit check in general. She doesn’t do them herself. (ABC7)

Panish: Did you see any evidence in this case that AEG Live did a background check on Dr. Murray? Young said Jorrie checked Dr. Murray’s medical license, whether it was current and if there had been any complaints against him. (ABC7)

Panish asked Young about Det. Martinez’ assertion that Dr. Murray was in desperate financial troubles. “I learned that he was late in the mortgage payments, I don’t know how far it was in the foreclosure process,” she said. Young said in her deposition that she has no idea how Randy Phillips determined Dr. Murray was extremely successful. (ABC7)

Young explained she’s familiar w/ State of California’s criteria to issue licenses to physician, but she’s not an expert in physician hiring. (ABC7)

Panish asked if 10 mins is thorough, detailed background check on someone. Young said it could be, even Seawright said it only takes 5 mins. (ABC7)


AEG Redirect

In re-direct, Bina showed “Disclosure and Authorization to Conduct Background Check.” It says “Credit history may be requested, but only where such information is substantially related to the duties and responsibilities of the position to which you’re applying.” (ABC7)

Young said she thinks the salary discussion alone proves that’s what MJ wanted at the time. (ABC7)


Jackson recross


In re-cross, Young said there was an agreement that called for the engagement of Dr. Murray. Panish: If AEG came to you in 2009 and asked if they should hire a doctor on behalf of 3rd party, you would’ve said no? Young: I don’t know. “No, there’s not a chance I’d advise that,” Young said in a deposition, laughing out loud. (ABC7)


AEG redirect

Bina asked if the reason she said that was because she’s not a lawyer. She said yes, she doesn’t advise on contracts. (ABC7)

Young is excused.


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AEG Live plans to play three video depositions tomorrow, Jeffrey Adams, Dr. David Adams and Dr. Stephen Gordon.

So, die oberste Steuerbehörde hat Michaels Nachlass unter die Lupe genommen, die möchten auch noch Geld. In dem Artikel steht, daß sich sicher die Gerichte in nächster Zeit mit seinem Erbe beschäftigen werden. Es geht um die Bewertung seines Eigentums zum Zeitpunkt seines Todes.
Ansonsten finde ich den Artikel nicht angemessen, Michael wird wieder als abnormes Etwas dargestellt. Es ist für mich unklar, wieso immer auf ihm herumgehackt wird, es gibt viele andere Prominente, denen es wahrscheinlich ähnlich ging, aber die werden nicht in den Medien breitgetratscht.

Michael Jackson's Estate To IRS: Beat It

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2013/08/21/michael-jacksons-estate-to-irs-beat-it/



Ich denke mal, es geht auch um die entdeckten Schätze in dieser Halle, die angeblich diesem LIvingston gehören, was ja auch sehr angezweifelt wird und wahrscheinlich auch ein Verfahren läuft, wahrscheinlich auch noch viele andere Dinge, die aus dem Haus getragen und verhökert wurden.

Es gibt jetzt noch einen anderen Artikel, auch von Forbes, der ist nicht so abwertend geschrieben, aber ebenfalls wird die Steuerschuld im Vordergrund gehalten. Dieser Zack O'Malley Greenburg berichtet sachlicher: http://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2013/08/23/why-the-702-million-irs-tax-claim-on-michael-jacksons-estate-wont-stand-up/

Na, wenn mal die oberste Steuerbehörde an diesem Fall dran ist, dann wollen die auch Money sehen, das wird ja mal interessant, bei 702 Mio. Steuerschuld muß ja ein Riesenvermögen vorhanden sein, leider eben auch Sachwerte, die keine Erträge bringen.
Viele Sachwerte sind sicher schon in Auktionshäuser getragen worden.
Tja, es kommt eben jetzt richtig dicke!!!


Vorallem mit diesem neuen Telefoninterview von dem Murray sehe ich, daß in der nächsten Woche der Prozess beendet wird!!! Diese Aussage können die doch nicht einfach so ignorieren, oder?
http://www.tmz.com/2013/08/23/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-voicemail-audio-aeg-wrongful-death/

Bei MJJC gibt es einen ausführlichen Transcript über diese Aussage und eine Diskusion:

Default Re: Conrad Murray: "MJ hired me and HATED AEG"

I've transcribed this for any who are interested. There were a few requests here and this may help decipher what he is saying. (And no, he did not name out #5) He can't count, obviously.
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#1. I was initially offered the position of being the personal physician of Michael Jackson and his three children by Michael himself.

#2. I later learned by Michael that AEG was involved in the hiring process and they wanted to hire a less expensive doctor. Michael also told me that the head of anesthesiology of Cedar Sinai Hospital in Los Angeles agreed with AEG to take the job for $40,000 per month. For reasons that are too inflammatory to discuss at this time, Michael refused the inducement of the offer.

#3. Both AEG and Michael Jackson were my joint employers.

#4. Any and all requests pertinent to my treatment of Michael, other than orders of myself or requests of Michael and not AEG. I took no orders for treatment from Michael nor AEG, and AEG never ordered me to give Michael any specific treatments, they justly should be absolved of this accusation.

#6. Michael received(inaudible) all types of pressure. The return of the Jackson 5, for example, in a pay per view program, he did his best to avoid signing this. He was under tremendous pressure by his family to do so. He was afraid his family was going to kill him if he did not sign it, but he did not want to be a part of the Jackson 5. That, according to Michael, was a thing of the past. He had moved on. He was Michael Jackson by himself. The denials of that contract was very, very severe on how it did to Michael. This is the jest of it. There is Papa Bear, was his nickname, ordered and demanded one million ($1,000,000) dollars paid to him for the contract. There's Mama Bear, who also demanded one million ($1,000,000) for herself. Each of the brother bears needed five hundred thousand ($500,000) each. Michael did not have that money. He was was in a deepening trough from soaring loans from AEG which exceeded $40 million at that time.

#7. To the best of my knowledge, AEG was not aware of my medical treatment of Michael. Michael referred to AEG as snakes and said they were too entrusted in his personal affairs. He asked me to stave off his manager Frank Dileo, whom he did not trust.

#7. From Michael's lips to my ear, no single individual exherted as much pressure on (inaudible), as the core producer of the This Is It tour. He hated Ortega, but Ortega was not astute enough to recognize how much pain he was causing Michael; who by then had lost his mental fortitute, and whose mental had become exceedingly listless. I may displayed an acromonious tone, but I told Ortega to leave the doctoring to me, but I certainly was not caustic. I was merely trying to protect Michael from his assailant, Kenny Ortega.

Finally, I'd like to state this message this just a single ray, one filliment of light into the secret life of a man, my friend, and one whose suffering and pain I still hold. But one day soon I'll share with you his full spectrum of lights and the kallidoscope of events which colored a wretched past. Now you've heard the message, the rest is entirely up to you. Be just, and stay thirsty my friends.

Dr. Murray.

@Sylvina

Sylvina schrieb:Vorallem mit diesem neuen Telefoninterview von dem Murray sehe ich, daß in der nächsten Woche der Prozess beendet wird!!! Diese Aussage können die doch nicht einfach so ignorieren, oder?

keine Ahnung, wie es nun weitergeht mit dem Prozess ...
stelle mal den TMZ Bericht ein ...

CONRAD MURRAY
MJ HIRED ME
AND HATED AEG

8/23/2013 1:00 AM PDT

Conrad Murray MJ Hired Me And Hated AEG - Recorded message

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Michael Jackson -- NOT AEG -- hired Dr. Conrad Murray and MJ actually kept AEG at complete arms length on issues of medical treatment, because he felt a bunch of snakes ran the concert promotion company ... and these are the words of Conrad Murray captured on tape.

TMZ has obtained a voice mail Murray recently left on a friend's answering machine. If it were testimony in the wrongful death trial, it could be explosive. Among other things, Murray says:

-- Michael personally offered him the job of being his doctor on the "This Is It" tour

-- AEG actually wanted to hire a less expensive doctor, but Michael got his way with Murray

-- AEG never ordered Murray to give MJ any specific medical treatment. All requests came from Michael

-- AEG was not even aware of the medical treatment Michael was receiving. This point is critical

-- Michael despised AEG and referred to people who worked for the company as "snakes"

-- Michael had particular disdain for "This Is It" producer/director Kenny Ortega. MJ said he hated Ortega, who had no idea how much pain he was inflicting on Michael with the breakneck pace.

And Michael's venom extended to his family. Murray claims during the Jackson 5 Pay for View project, Joe (whom he called Papa Bear) demanded $1 million. Katherine (whom he called Mama Bear) also wanted $1 mil. And each of the brothers wanted $500k.

You gotta hear the audio.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/08/23/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-voicemail-audio-aeg-wrongful-death/

Sylvina schrieb:Bei MJJC gibt es einen ausführlichen Transcript über diese Aussage und eine Diskusion:

hier noch der Link zum Transcript

Ivy ‏@Ivy_4MJ 16h
Transcript of Murray's most recent voice message - http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/130283-Conrad-Murray-quot-MJ-hired-me-and-HATED-AEG-quot/page5?p=3892851&viewfull=1#post3892851 …
4:34 AM - 24 Aug 13

Anesthesiologist: Michael Jackson recruited me to help with insomnia

By Alan Duke, CNN
August 22, 2013 -- Updated 1153 GMT (1953 HKT)


STORY HIGHLIGHTS
* "I just need you to help me get my rest," Michael Jackson tells anesthesiologist
* Anesthesiologist David Adams offered to go on tour with Michael Jackson for $100,000 a month
* Jackson's offer to Dr. David Adams made Dr. Murray "truly upset," Adams says
* Murray "presented himself as being Mr. Jackson's personal physician and spokesperson" in 2007

Los Angeles (CNN) -- MIchael Jackson and Dr. Conrad Murray tried to recruit an anesthesiologist to join them on his comeback tour, according to testimony in the AEG Live wrongful death trial.

Murray arranged the meeting in March 2009 in which Jackson asked Dr. David Adams to travel with him to London, Adams testified.

Adams said that after he offered to take the job for $100,000 a month guaranteed for three years, Murray stopped communicating with him.

"I texted basically, you know, 'what's going on, I'm on board," Adams said. "And no response."

Just weeks later Murray accepted an offer from an AEG Live executive to be Jackson's personal physician on his "This Is It" tour for $150,000 a month.

Murray told investigators he began infusing Jackson with the surgical anesthetic propofol to treat his insomnia in April, a treatment that eventually killed the pop icon.

Debbie Rowe: Paris Jackson 'has no life' since father's death
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/15/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html

Jurors in the trial of Jackson's last concert promoter viewed the video depositions of Adams and two other witnesses Wednesday ahead of a six-day break in testimony.

Jackson's mother and children are suing AEG Live, contending the company's executives negligently hired, retained or supervised Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's propofol overdose death.

AEG Live's lawyers argue it was Jackson -- not its executives -- who chose and controlled Murray and that they had no way of knowing about the dangerous treatments he was giving the singer in the privacy of his bedroom.

Jackson: 'Help me get my rest'

Adams, who administered propofol to Jackson during cosmetic dental procedures in Las Vegas four times in 2008, said Jackson and Murray never told him what his duties would be if he took a job with the tour.

"I said 'I don't sing and I really can't dance, so to do what?" Adams testified.

"He says 'Well, you know, I'm entertaining, I'm jumping around, I'm doing this. Every once in a while I need an IV," Adams testified. "And he says 'I just need you to help me get my rest.' They were pretty vague, but on hindsight I know what they were talking about."

Jackson and Murray, however, never mentioned that administering propofol or treating his insomnia would be one of his responsibilities on tour, the anesthesiologist testified.

Jackson never asked him to do anything medically inappropriate, Adams said.

Adams hinted that there was jealously on Murray's part when Jackson courted him for a tour job.

"Murray really looked like he had just lost his best friend" when Jackson was discussing it, Adams said. "Oh, he was truly upset."

Murray told CNN's Anderson Cooper in April that Michael Jackson had "his own stash" of propofol in his home before he began treating him with it.

"I did not agree with Michael, but Michael felt that it was not an issue because he had been exposed to it for years and he knew exactly how things worked," Murray said. "And given the situation at the time, it was my approach to try to get him off of it, but Michael Jackson was not the kind of person you can just say 'Put it down' and he's going to do that."

Jackson lawyers argue that AEG Live was negligent for not checking out Murray's distressed financial situation before agreeing to pay him $150,000 a month. It created a conflict of interest that led Murray to ignore safe practices and his responsibility to Jackson's health, they contend.

AEG Live executives also ignored a series of red flags that should have warned them that Jackson's health was deteriorating under Murray's care and another doctor should have been called in, they argue.

Adams was in a Las Vegas operating room on June 25, 2009, when he learned Jackson had died.

"I texted Murray 'I'm sorry to hear what happened. Take care,'" he said. Murray never responded, he said.

Dr. Murray's connection to Michael Jackson

Murray did respond that night to a phone call from another Adams. Jeffrey Adams is the person who initially introduced him to Michael Jackson in February 2007 when the singer needed a doctor to treat one of his children in Las Vegas.

Jeffrey Adams -- no relation to Dr. David Adams -- had known Murray for years and the cardiologist had treated his father's heart ailment in 2007. His video deposition was shown to jurors Wednesday morning.

He testified that he called Dr. Murray to offer his help after he saw on television that Jackson had died.
"I told him he had taken care of my father for me and I would be at his side until this situation was complete," Adams testified.

Murray told him that night "he was going to need a lawyer," he said.

He and Murray "did everything together" from June 26, 2009 --a day after Jackson's death -- until November 7, 2011 -- the day Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, he said.

Jeffrey Adams said he served as Murray's bodyguard for more than two years without pay.

Despite his close relationship to Murray, Adams said he has not spoken to the doctor since he was put in handcuffs in the courtroom and taken to jail.

Murray is expected to be released from jail on October 28, 2013 -- after serving two years of a four-year prison sentence, according to his lawyer.

Murray and Jackson: "Seemed very odd"

Murray's relationship with Michael Jackson "seemed very odd," according to Las Vegas plastic surgeon Dr. Stephen Gordon. Jurors also watched his video deposition Wednesday.

"He presented himself as being Mr. Jackson's personal physician and spokesperson to some extent" when Murray accompanied Jackson on an appointment to have cosmetic filler put in his face on May 14, 2007, Gordon said.

Gordon had treated Jackson several times four years earlier, but not when Murray was with him -- and he even wrote a $1,300 check to pay for the procedure, he said.

"The whole situation seemed very odd and it didn't add up and that caused me not to fully trust the person," Gordon testified. "I felt like a successful cardiologist doesn't go around being somebody's private physician and speaking for them, in my experience."

Jackson, however, appeared to be capable of dealing with doctors on his own, Gordon said. "He gave me the impression that he was used to telling doctors what he wanted them to do."

Jackson personally called him in 2002 when he was looking for a doctor in Las Vegas to give him collagen and Botox treatments, he said.

"At first I thought it was somebody playing a prank, one of my friends fooling around," Gordon said. He realized it really was the pop star when he called him back at his hotel -- asking for him under his alias "Michael Jefferson," he said.

Wednesday was the 74th day of testimony on the trial, which the judge predicted would last another month.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/22/showbiz/michael-jackson-death-trial/?hpt=hp_t2

Quelle: Jackson.CH - Schweizer MJ Forum ...


THE JACKSONS VS. AEG LIVE — ZEUGEN VON AEG, 13. TEIL

22. AUGUST 2013

Nach Michael Jacksons ex-Frau Debbie Rowe war Dr. Gary Green an der Reihe. Dr. Green trat als Expertenzeuge für AEG Live auf; er ist Arzt für das Sportteam der Pepperdine University. Mit Dr. Greens Aussage bezweckte AEG Live, die Aussage von Dr. Gordon Matheson, einem Expertenzeugen für die Jackson Seite (siehe hier http://www.jackson.ch/the-jacksons-vs-aeg-live-zeugen-der-jacksons-28-teil/ für Mathesons Aussage am 24. Juni), anzufechten.

Dr. Greens hatte vor seinem Auftritt die Aussagen und Beweise der vergangenen 16 Wochen durchgelesen. “Ich stimme Dr. Matheson überhaupt nicht zu”, so Green. Es habe keinen Interessenskonflikt gegeben, so Green, da es in Conrad Murrays Interesse lag, dass Michael Jackson gesund bliebe, damit er weiterhin seinen Job machen konnte.

Was die E-Mail von co-CEO Paul Gongaware an Kenny Ortega betrifft, in der ersterer schrieb, dass sie (dh. AEG) Murray daran erinnern möchten, dass AEG und nicht Michael Jackson Murrays Gehalt bezahlen und dass sie ihn auch daran erinnern wollen, was von ihm erwartet würde, meinte Green, dass er keinen Beweis dafür fand, dass diese Nachricht jemals an Conrad Murrray kommunziert wurde und er daher glaube, dass sie “keinen Einfluss” hatte.

Ferner berief sich Green auf vorherige Aussagen, aus denen herausging, dass Conrad Murray sich gegen jederlei Einmischung durch AEG gewehrt hatte. Einmal hatte Murray AEG sogar gesagt, sie sollen sich um ihren eigenen Kram kümmern und sie sollen Michael Jacksons Gesundheit ihm überlassen. Zudem habe Murray Michael Jackson einmal sogar davon abgehalten, zu den Proben zu gehen, was in Widerspruch zu AEGs Absicht gestanden hatte, so Green.

Quellen: jackson.ch, cnn.com

Weiterlesen unter http://www.jackson.ch/the-jacksons-vs-aeg-live-zeugen-von-aeg-13-teil/
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THE JACKSONS VS. AEG LIVE — ZEUGEN VON AEG, 14. TEIL

23. AUGUST 2013

Am Mittwoch hat Jeffrey Adams, der für die Sicherheit an Spezialanlässen von Michael Jackson verantwortlich war, vor Gericht ausgesagt bzw. wurde die Videoaufzeichnung seiner eidesstattlichen Aussage den Geschworenen gezeigt. Jeffrey hatte Michael Jackson Conrad Murray vorgestellt gehabt. Er war “sicher”, dass Michael und Murray sich zum ersten Mal im Februar 2007 getroffen hatten.

Adams sagte, dass eines Tages Bashier Muhammad, ein Security Guard von Michael Jackson, ihn anrief und ihm mitteilte, dass Michaels Kinder krank waren, er sie aber nicht ins Spital bringen wollte, weil sie “nicht parat waren oder nichts hatten, das ihre Gesichter bedeckte”, so Adams. Conrad Murray war Adams Hausarzt und hatte auch seinen Vater behandelt. Als Muhammad Adams fragte, ob man dem Arzt vertrauen konnte, sagte letzterer: “Ich sagte, er ist mein Arzt. Er ist mein Freund. Man kann ihm definitiv vertrauen”. Innert 10 Minuten rief Adams Murray an und sagte ihm, dass er ihn um einen riesen Gefallen bitten möchte. Er habe einen berühmten Kunden, für den er arbeitete und ob er rüber kommen könnte, um seine Kinder zu untersuchen. Muhammad bat Adams um Murrays Lebenslauf, den Adams ihm aber nicht geben wollte, da es sich um einen persönlichen Gefallen handelte. Am nächsten Tag hatte ihm Muhammad gesagt, dass Conrad Murray Michael Jackson in dessen Las Vegas Residenz besucht hatte und alles in Ordnung war. Auf die Frage hin, wie oft Conrad Murray Michael Jackson oder seine Kinder behandelt hatte, antwortete Adams, dass ihm das nicht bekannt sei.

Adams sagte aus, dass er Conrad Murray zum ersten Mal in den 1990er Jahren durch einen gemeinsamen Freund getroffen hatte und bis zu Murrays Verurteilung im November 2011 dessen Patient blieb. Als Michael Jackson im Juni 2009 gestorben war, rief Adams Murray an und fragte ihn, ob er ihn brauchte. “Ich sagte ihm, dass er sich um mich und meinen Vater gekümmert hat und dass ich an seiner Seite bleiben würde, bis alles durch war”, so Adams. So kam Adams am folgenden Tag in Südkaliforien an und lebte bis zu Murray Verurteilung mit ihm zusammen, kümmerte sich um dessen Sicherheit und reiste mit ihm an verschiedene Orte in den USA, inklusive Las Vegas und Houston, wo Murray einige Patienten behandelte. Die Einzelheiten betreffend Michael Jacksons Tod habe er nie mit Murray besprochen, so Adams.

Quellen: jackson.ch, latimes.com

Weiterlesen unter http://www.jackson.ch/the-jacksons-vs-aeg-live-zeugen-von-aeg-14-teil/
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@FaIrIeFlOwEr
ja warten wir mal ab, was da noch kommt. Also wenn das einfach nur ignoriert wird verstehe ich die Welt nicht mehr. Die fachsimblen da vor Gericht und reden über den Murray und dann wird einfach ignoriert, was der sagt? Ich finde, der muß das zumindest vor Gericht bestätigen, was er da an TMZ verkauft hat!

und auch Prince möchte angeblich "ausbrechen", behauptet Stacy Brown ...


Prince Jackson cavorts with royal girlfriend Remi while rebelling against family

By STACY BROWN
Last Updated: 8:09 PM, August 25, 2013
Posted: 1:46 AM, August 25, 2013

Prince Jackson is taking a page out of his dad’s book — relatives say he’s being bad.

Some in the Jackson clan complain the King of Pop’s son is keeping late hours and ignoring the various requests of his grandma and guardian, Katherine.

Prince, 16, is now telling friends and family he wants out of the family mansion in Calabasas, Calif., and is seeking to move into his own pad.

He sounds like any teen — except he has his own money, a family insider says, an allowance of $66,000 a month.

“He’s a renegade kid. No holds barred,” a family member told The Post. “He’s up and out at all times of the night, and I’m concerned, and I think everyone around the situation has to be worried what could happen to this kid.”

Prince Michael Jackson and his princess girlfriend Remi Alfalah attend the premiere of "Michael Jackson One" in Las Vegas.

Prince often exits the mansion without security and is regularly spotted by paparazzi with girlfriend and schoolmate Remi Alfalah, 17, a princess from a royal Kuwaiti family.

Prince and the princess have been stopped for speeding by police, who once cited Prince for blazing around in his Ford pickup at more than 20 mph over the speed limit.

“No one can be sure what to expect next. He claims that his dad would have allowed this,” a family insider said. “The fact is, let’s be real, Michael kept them very low-profile. Hell, they wore masks, for God’s sake.”

Prince and siblings Paris and Blanket are heirs to Michael Jackson’s fortune, estimated at more than $1 billion. When the kids turn 30, they each receive one third of their share; by 40, they get it all.

Meanwhile, Prince has even hinted at marrying Remi just to get away from his relatives.

Remi is from the Kuwaiti family line of Sheik Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah. The sheik provides most of his family members with a lifetime pension, and the family’s fortune is estimated to be in the high nine-figures.

On Twitter, Remi gushes over Lady Gaga, the Super Bowl and her trip to Monaco.

While wooing his princess, Prince has been quite the gentleman, often picking up lunch and dinner tabs and showering her with jewels and clothing.

Prince and Remi first met two years ago at the private Buckley School in Sherman Oaks, Calif., where he is set to start his junior year tomorrow.

With sister Paris, 15, recovering from a June suicide attempt, Prince is causing the family more concern.

“He does whatever he feels without regard,” the insider said. “We already have Paris to worry about . . . Prince is the oldest, and you would hope he’d be a little more responsible given who his family is, who his father is.”

Now Prince is saying he has had enough with the family.

“He says he has his own money and he can take care of himself,” a family source said. “Someone needs to act fast before this thing becomes more of a nightmare.”

Even aunt LaToya, who had helped Prince land his “Entertainment Tonight” gig and promote his acting career, is backing off, the insider says.

“He keeps to himself and talks mostly to his girlfriend,” a family member said. “No one knows what he’s really thinking. Maybe Remi does.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/prince_mewFB1LP0pvbowJCiVFYnN

Michael Jackson's daughter Paris ‘happy’ at posh school

MICHAEL Jackson’s daughter Paris is “happy” at a boarding school for troubled teenagers.

By Mike Parker/Published 25th August 2013

Last week her uncle Randy claimed she was still being held in a psychiatric hospital.

But she has secretly been staying at the £5,000-a-month Diamond Ranch Academy in Hurricane, Utah, where she has dyed her hair red and calls herself Frankie.

Paris, 15, was quietly transferred there last month from the LA psychiatric unit where she was treated after slashing her wrists with a kitchen knife and taking an overdose of painkillers.

Following the failed suicide bid on June 5, Paris pleaded with child welfare workers to be removed from the “mad house” Jackson family home where she lives with relatives including brothers Prince, 16, and Blanket, 11.

A judge ruled she should remain under the guardianship of her 83-year-old grandma Katherine and cousin TJ Jackson, 35.

So the family compromised by allowing Paris to attend the boarding school, where she told friends she is “happier than I can remember being since dad died”.

A pal said: “She loves her gran and they speak to each other via Skype virtually every day.

“But she feels she is faring much better in Utah than she would at home and wants to stay there.”

Last week her uncle Randy tweeted that he was worried about her and believed “there is something going on”.

He added: “Psychiatric hospitals often at times make you feel as though you’re psychotic when you’re not. Sometimes they make matters worse.”

But Randy, 51, and other relatives were said to be “stunned” when Paris’ mum Debbie Rowe, 54, with whom she has recently become close, tweeted back to inform them the teenager was no longer being treated at UCLA Medical Centre.

Later, a picture of Paris surfaced on the internet. It is thought a fellow student took it.

Staff at Diamond Ranch, which runs a strict regime where rewards like web access have to be earned, refused to discuss Paris.

The teen will miss a family gathering on Thursday to mark what would have been Michael’s 55th birthday.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/334481/Michael-Jackson-s-daughter-Paris-happy-at-posh-school

Prince Michael Jackson
Er hat die Nase voll: Auszug aus der Jackson-Villa

02:13 UHR | 28.08.2013 | J.VERHOV

Prince Michael Jackson will das Jackson-Anwesen in Los Angeles verlassen. Der älteste Sohn des verstorbenen „King of Pop“ Michael Jackson will sich eine eigene Wohnung nehmen und mit seiner kuwaitischen Freundin zusammenziehen.

Prince Michael Jackson (16) will Unabhängigkeit. Während sich Sorgenkind Paris Jackson (15) nach ihrem Selbstmordversuch im Juni wieder erholt, sorgt nun auch ihr älterer Bruder Prince für Unruhe. Er plant den Auszug aus der Jackson-Villa. Der Teenager will mit seiner Freundin, der kuwaitischen Prinzessin Remi Alfalah (17) in ein Apartment ziehen.

An Geld mangelt es nicht. Prince Michael bekommt monatlich knapp 52.000 Euro ausgezahlt und er verwöhnt seine Remi mit großen Geschenken. Erst kürzlich wurde er dabei gesehen, wie der Teenager teuren Schmuck und luxuriöse Mode für seine Freundin kaufte. Und die beiden werden oft in teuren Beverly Hills Restaurants gesehen.

Der Jackson-Clan befürchtet, dass Prince die Kontrolle verliert, sogar Tante LaToya Jackson (57), die sonst immer auf der Seite der Kinder steht, soll sehr beunruhigt sein.

http://www.bunte.de/newsline/prince-jackson-er-hat-die-nase-voll-auszug-aus-der-jackson-villa_aid_45519.html



"Er ist ein echter Rebell"
28. Aug 2013 @ 11:45 Uhr

Michael Jackson: Sohn Prince dreht frei

Prince Michael Jackson will sich offenbar von seiner Familie lossagen

Mit gerade einmal16 Jahren scheint Prince Michael Jackson, Sohn von Pop-Legende Michael Jackson, seinem familiären Idyll den Rücken kehren zu wollen. Den berühmten Sprössling zieht es hinaus in die Welt, ohne Rücksicht auf seine Verwandten.

Ein monatliches Taschengeld von rund 50.000 Euro, eine vor ihm liegende Karriere im Showbusiness und eine kuwaitische Prinzessin als Freundin: Prince Michael Jackson scheint in seinem zarten Alter bereits bestens gewappnet für den Sprung ins Erwachsenenleben. Und diesen will der Nachwuchs-Celebrity offenbar ohne seine berühmte Familie wagen, wie die New York Post berichtet.

"Er denkt an seine eigene Wohnung", plaudert ein nicht näher genannter Freund des Michael Jackson-Filius' aus dem Nähkästchen. "Er will sich befreien. Er ist ein echter Rebell und tut nur noch das, was ihm gefällt." Neben den andauernden Problemen mit Princes Schwester Paris, scheint sich damit das nächste Sorgenkind aus dem Jackson-Clan hervorzutun.

Dass Prince Michael keine einfache Kindheit hatte, steht außer Frage. Sein über alles geliebter Vater starb 2009, zu Mutter Debbie Rowe soll Jackos Sohn nur sporadisch Kontakt haben. Die Vormundschaft liegt bei Princes Oma Katherine, die ihn auch nicht mehr wirklich erreicht. "Niemand weiß so richtig, was er tut oder denkt", berichtet selbst Tante La Toya Jackson im Gespräch mit der Post besorgt. Prince seinerseits vertraue sich demnach lieber seiner Freundin Remi statt seiner Familie an: "Er spricht lieber mit seiner Freundin. Vielleicht weiß Remi ja, was in seinem Kopf so vorgeht."

http://www.ampya.com/news/Gossip/Michael-Jackson-Sohn-Prince-spielt-wilde-Sau-SN100698/

MICHAEL JACKSON VOR SEINEM TOD
GROSSZÜGIG ZU OBDACHLOSEN

28 August 2013, 10:58

Michael Jackson soll laut seiner Mutter Katherine Jackson ein richtiger Wohltäter vor seinem Tod gewesen sein. Besonders Obdachlosen hat er angeblich immer viel Geld gegeben.

Michael Jackson (†50) verstarb im Jahr 2009 an einer Überdosis "Propofol". Vor seinem Tod soll der King of Pop aber selbstlos und hilfsbereit gewesen sein. Besonders gegenüber Obdachlosen habe Michael Jackson seine Großzügigkeit erwiesen. Speziell seine Mutter Katherine Jackson (83) ist gerade deswegen sehr stolz auf ihren verstorbenen Sohn.

Gegenüber "Hello!" verriet sie: "Was ich an Michael liebte war, dass er so eine bescheidene Person war. Ich sage das nicht nur, weil er mein Sohn ist, aber er war einer der besten Menschen überhaupt. Er sah jemanden in der Ecke stehen, hielt mit seinem Auto an und gab ihm das ganze Geld aus seinem Portemonnaie, 300 oder 400 Dollar oder manchmal mehr." Dass Michael Jackson sich so stark für Obdachlose einsetzte, beeindruckte seine Mutter sehr.

Katherine Jackson denkt daher sehr oft über ihren Sohn nach und wünschte er wäre noch am Leben: "Nichts kann meinen Sohn ersetzen. Es vergeht kein Tag, an dem ich nicht an ihn denke und keine Träne vergieße. Sein Leben wurde seinen Kindern genommen – und er war alles, was sie hatten. Er war ein sehr guter Vater, der Beste. Und er war auch ein guter Sohn."

http://www.prosieben.de/stars/news/michael-jackson-vor-seinem-tod-grosszuegig-zu-obdachlosen-1.3614257/

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Katherine Jackson talks to Hello Magazine - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2402358/Katherine-Jackson-opens-granddaughter-Paris-suicide-bid-time.html …
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PARIS JACKSON PICS
DEBBIE ROWE
WILL SUE PIC
SELLERS

8/21/2013 2:55 PM PDT

Debbie Rowe is furious that someone sold pictures of her daughter, Paris Jackson, at a boarding school where she's been for more than a month ... and she plans to sue the people who sold her daughter out ... TMZ has learned.

Sources connected with Rowe tell TMZ ... Paris' mom is extremely upset that someone at the boarding school -- located outside California -- has not only sold pictures but information about the girl.

The pictures -- one of which was plastered on Twitter (above) -- were taken a month ago during a graduation ceremony, shortly after Paris arrived. By the way, the plan was for Paris to attend the school on the QT ... she used a pseudonym.

Rowe is beyond angry, telling friends, "These people, including some websites, are screwing with my daughter's ability to get better." TMZ broke the story, Paris attempted suicide in June after taking pills and slitting her arm with a meat cleaver.

We're told Rowe wants TMZ to post her promise to sue, because she wants people at the school and everyone else to stop selling out her daughter for cash.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/08/21/debbie-rowe-paris-jackson-picture-boarding-school-suicide-attempt/

Nurse details Michael Jackson's fatal search for sleep

By Alan Duke, CNN
August 29, 2013 -- Updated 0556 GMT (1356 HKT)

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
* Nurse Cherilyn Lee testifies she warned Jackson about the dangers of propofol
* "I remember telling him that it wasn't something he wanted to use at home," Lee testifies
* 'You don't understand, doctors are telling me it's safe," Jackson tells nurse
* Jackson died of a propofol overdose two months after Lee refused to help him get it

Los Angeles (CNN) -- A nurse collapsed on the witness stand after describing her unsuccessful attempt to convince Michael Jackson not to use propofol to treat his insomnia.

"I can't do this anymore! I can't do this anymore," Cherilyn Lee cried at the end of Wednesday's testimony in trial to decide if concert promoter AEG Live is liable in Jackson's death. As she broke down, she was assisted by others in the courtroom including one of the lawyers.

Lee broke into tears after telling jurors that she believed people, including Jackson and her own mother, have died because they listened to bad advice from doctors who over-prescribe drugs.

The certified nurse practitioner -- who specializes in holistic health care -- continues her testimony Thursday about trying to help Jackson in his desperate search for sleep in the last months of his life.

Jackson would have turned 55 on Thursday had he not died from an overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol on June 25, 2009.

The singer's mother and children are suing AEG Live, claiming the company that was promoting and producing his comeback tour negligently hired, retained or supervised Dr. Conrad Murray.

The company's lawyers argue Jackson chose and controlled Murray and that its executives had no way of knowing about the treatments he was giving that ultimately killed the pop icon.

Murray used propofol infusions to put Jackson to sleep each night for two months, beginning soon after Lee stopped treating the singer's insomnia with IV drips of a vitamin cocktail.

Lee began treating Jackson in his Los Angeles home on February 1, 2009, days after he signed a three-year contract with AEG Live for a world tour, which would start with 50 shows in London to debut in July.

"My concern was that he was drinking Red Bulls," she said. He drank several cans of the energy drink during their first meeting. "I was thinking his tiredness and fatigue was related to that."

Jackson "started to feel really great" and "looked healthier" after a month of her IV treatments of Vitamin C and other nutrients, she testified.

But he still couldn't sleep more than five hours a night and with rehearsals for his "This Is It" tour cranking up in April "he needed something a little more," she testified.

Jackson rejected her recommendation that he have a sleep specialist visit his home to study his insomnia or that he cut down the lights and music in his bedroom, she said.

Earlier testimony suggested that Jackson had already given up on Lee's methods and decided that propofol, which German doctors had used to treat his insomnia during a 1997 tour, could be his answer for rest.

Jackson and Murray tried to recruit a Las Vegas anesthesiologist to join them on the tour in late March 2009, according to Dr. David Adams' video testimony shown to jurors last week.

"I just need you to help me get my rest," Adams said Jackson told him. "They were pretty vague, but on hindsight I know what they were talking about."

Murray, not Adams, eventually took the job.

Jackson was apparently still looking for a doctor to give him the propofol when Lee visited his home the morning of April 19, 2009.

"He wasn't quite himself," she testified. "He just seemed really stressed or something. He said at certain points he was under a lot of pressure to finish rehearsals and he said 'I've got to get my sleep so I can do this.'"

Jackson told Lee he wanted her help in getting propofol infusions instead of the vitamin cocktail IVs, she said. Lee didn't know about the drug, so she looked it up in her Physician's Desk Reference manual.

"I remember telling him that it wasn't something he wanted to use at home," she said. "It wasn't a safe medication. It was definitely not a medication for insomnia."

Lee's handwritten notes from that day described their conversation: "I went as far as to say I understand you want a good night sleep -- want to be 'knocked out' -- but what if you don't wake up," she wrote. "He said 'I'll be ok. I only need someone to monitor me with equipment while I sleep.'"

Jackson "kept telling me 'You don't understand, doctors are telling me it's safe just as long as I am being monitored,'" Lee testified.

It was then that Lee collapsed on the witness stand. "It's so unfair," she cried. "I am so sick."

As Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos recessed court for the day and sent jurors out, AEG Live lawyer Sabrina Strong, who was sitting in the rear of the courtroom, ran to the witness stand to console the witness.

"That's not appropriate," Jackson lead lawyer Brian Panish protested. "Lawyers don't do that. It's not appropriate for lawyers to come out of the audience in front of the jury."

"Appropriate or not, it happened," Palazuelos said.

Panish argued that Strong was trying to "curry favor" with the jury by appearing compassionate. He demanded that the judge admonish her in front of the jury. The judge suggested he put his request in writing for her to consider.

Jackson's belief that propofol could help him sleep dated back to the late 1990s, according to another witness who testified Wednesday.

Dr. Catherine Quinn, a dentist who specializes in giving anesthesia during dental procedures, said Jackson asked her to infuse him with propofol in 1998.

"He told me that he has trouble sleeping," Quinn testified.

"I said that's inappropriate use of anesthesia," Quinn said. "He needs to speak with his physician about sleep aids. I told him that the sleep that you get with anesthesia is not real sleep, it's not restful sleep. He told me that it's the best sleep he ever had."

A drug addiction expert who testified Tuesday that Michael Jackson suffered a "quite extensive" drug addiction acknowledged Wednesday there was no evidence the singer used more painkillers than medically necessary.

The conclusion by Dr. Petros Levounis that Jackson was dependent on painkillers was not a revelation, considering Jackson himself announced it when he cut his "Dangerous" tour short to enter a rehab program in 1993.

"If he announced it to the world it's not very private, is it?" Jackson lawyer Michael Koskoff asked Levounis.

"At that moment, he was not secretive," Levounis replied.

Jackson's drugs of choice were opioids -- painkillers given to him by doctors repairing scalp injuries suffered in a fire and during cosmetic procedures to make him look younger, Levounis testified.
Labeling Jackson an addict could tarnish the singer's image among jurors, but its relevance to AEG Live's liability is questionable. Opioids played no role in Jackson's death, according to the Los Angeles County coroner. The judge would not allow Levounis to testify if he thought Jackson was addicted to propofol.
Levounis conceded he saw no evidence that Jackson used painkillers after he left rehab in 1993 until 2001 or between July 2003 and late 2008. He said it is not inconsistent for an addiction to go into remission.
Under cross examination Wednesday morning, Levounis conceded that he never saw evidence that Jackson injected himself with narcotics, ever sought or used illegal drugs such as cocaine, meth or heroin, or abused drugs to produce euphoria or get high.

There was also no evidence Jackson used more painkillers than doctors prescribed, he said.

Jackson lawyers have never disputed the singer's drug dependence. In fact, they contend that AEG Live executives, including one who was Jackson's tour manager when he entered rehab, were negligent for paying a doctor $150,000 a month just to treat Jackson. The high salary created a conflict for the debt-ridden Murray, making it difficult for him to say no to Jackson's demands for drugs.

Paul Gongaware, the AEG Live co-CEO who was in charge of Jackson's 2009 "This Is It" tour, was also tour manager for his "Dangerous" tour in 1993. Levounis acknowledged in testimony Wednesday that there was evidence that Gongaware knew about Jackson's painkiller addiction 15 years before his death.

Levounis' testimony about the dangers of a doctor being too friendly with an addicted patient, which he said Murray was, could help the Jacksons' case.

"A very close friendship between an addicted patient and a doctor is problematic," Levounis testified. "It makes it much easier for a patient to ask for drugs and it makes it more difficult for a provider to resist."

The medical records of Murray's treatment of Jackson between 2006 and 2008 -- when the singer lived in Las Vegas -- showed no painkillers prescribed during seven visits. Murray's notes did show he treated Jackson's complaints of insomnia with a sedative in 2008.

Wednesday was the 76th day of testimony in the trial, which is expected to conclude near the end of September.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/29/showbiz/michael-jackson-death-trial/?hpt=hp_t2

Michael Jackson's Mother Katherine Breaks Silence on Paris' Suicide Attempt

August 27, 2013 04:10:27 GMT

Katherine Jackson spoke up for the first time about her granddaughter Paris Jackson's suicide bid that led to the teen's hospitalization. The family matriarch assured that Michael Jackson's only daughter "is in a good place, getting the help she needs."

"She is doing much better," she added. "The treatment is going good, really good. She's my baby. It's hard for me, really hard. All I wanted these kids to be is happy. The night Michael died Paris was crying and said 'I want to go and see Daddy, I don't want to be without him.' "

Paris has two siblings, Prince and Blanket. They used to wear masks to conceal their faces from public eyes when their famous father was still alive. In an interview with Hello! Magazine, Katherine said her late son meant well but she decided not to follow his style of parenting.

"They were sheltered a lot when Michael raised them," the grandmother said as quoted by Daily Mail. "I had thought about it and I said 'I am not going to raise them like that (wearing masks).' But Michael had a good reason. He was trying to protect them."

Katherine said the children "incredibly polite" because the late King of Pop "instilled good manners." "But it's a different generation, of course," she added, "and I don't understand the whole social media thing. They are always on their phones."

Katherine called Michael "a very good father" and "a good son." There was "not a day goes by" without Paris thinking of the singer, she said.

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00063526.html

World exclusive: Katherine Jackson on missing Michael and Paris's pain

27 AUGUST 2013

Michael Jackson's mother Katherine has spoken for the first time of her granddaughter Paris's recovery following the teenager's attempted suicide bid in June.

The 15-year-old schoolgirl was rushed to hospital from the family home in Los Angeles after cutting her wrists and swallowing a large number of over-the-counter painkiller Motrin.

She is now being treated in a secluded residential facility that specialises in depression and grief management for troubled youngsters.

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"She is in a good place, getting the help she needs," says the 83-year-old Jackson family matriarch, who shares legal guardianship of Paris and her brothers, Prince, 16, and Blanket, 11, with her grandson TJ.

"She is doing much better," Katherine told HELLO! from the legendary Encino estate, where she and her husband Joe raised their famous showbiz brood, including daughters Janet and LaToya.

"The treatment is going good, really good. She's my baby. It's hard for me, really hard. All I wanted these kids to be is happy. The night Michael died Paris was crying and said, 'I want to go and see daddy; I don't want to be without him.'"

The solo superstar, whose 1982 hit Thriller is still the best-selling album of all time, died suddenly in his bed on June 25 2009 from an overdose of the surgical anaesthetic propofol. He would have turned 55 this Thursday (29 August).

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Katherine and Michael's children are suing the entertainment group AEG Live in a wrongful death civil case for a reported $40 billion. Mrs Jackson has been attending Los Angeles Superior Court daily since April, and of the ongoing trial, she said: "I take it one day at a time".

She tells HELLO! she still grieves for her son: "There's not a day goes by that I don't think about him; when I don't shed a tear. He was a very good father, the best. He was a good son, too."

But she admits her style of parenting is different to Michael's. She got rid of the masks the children used to wear when they were in public with their father and stopped the oldest two from being home-schooled.

"They were sheltered a lot when Michael raised them," she admitted. "I had thought about it and I said, 'I am not going to raise them like that (wearing masks). But Michael had a good reason. He was trying to protect them."

Describing the children's personalities, Mrs Jackson said: "The kids are great. They are incredibly polite and that's down to the way Michael brought them up. He instilled good manners but it's a different generation, of course, and I don't understand the whole social media thing. They are always on their phones."

Mrs Jackson returns this week to her hometown of Gary, Indiana, where Michael was born, for a charity tribute charity concert on 29 August.

Read the full interview and more pictures in HELLO! Magazine on sale now

http://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/2013082714279/katherine-jackson-hello-world-exclusive/

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'They were sheltered a lot': Katherine Jackson opens up on her decision to remove Michael's children's masks

By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 23:01 GMT, 26 August 2013 | UPDATED: 18:29 GMT, 27 August 2013

Michael Jackson's mother Katherine has open up on her decision to remove her grandchildren's masks, after being brought up to wear them by their father.

The matriarch, 83, gave the trio Prince, Paris and Blanket the freedom to walk in public without their faces covered after she was given custody of them following Michael's death in June 2009.

Speaking to Hello! Magazine Mrs Jackson said: 'They were sheltered a lot when Michael raised them.

Better: Katherine Jackson has revealed that her granddaughter Paris is doing well

'I had thought about it and I said "I am not going to raise them like that (wearing masks)." But Michael had a good reason. He was trying to protect them.'

Meanwhile, she also opened up on her granddaughter's health, admitting she is doing ‘doing much better’ after her suicide bid in June.

The 15-year-old schoolgirl was rushed to hospital from the family home in Los Angeles after cutting her wrists and swallowing a large number of over-the-counter painkillers and is now being treated in a secluded residential facility which specialises in helping troubled youngsters.

She explained: ’She is in a good place, getting the help she needs.’

The Jackson family matriarch shares legal guardianship of Paris and her brothers, Prince, 16, and Blanket, 11, with her grandson TJ.

She continued about her granddaughter: ‘She is doing much better.

‘The treatment is going good, really good. She's my baby. It's hard for me, really hard. All I wanted these kids to be is happy. The night Michael died Paris was crying and said "I want to go and see Daddy, I don't want to be without him."

Mrs Jackson said ‘not a day goes by’ she does not think of the singer, whom she called ‘a very good father’ and ‘a good son’.

She said the children were ‘incredibly polite’ and that was down to the pop superstar.

She said: ‘He instilled good manners but it's a different generation, of course, and I don't understand the whole social media thing. They are always on their phones.’

Paris was rushed to hospital in June of his year.

At the time a lawyer for Katherine alluded to how Paris is still coming to terms with the loss of her father Michael Jackson, four years after his death.

'Being a sensitive 15-year-old is difficult no matter who you are.' Perry Sanders said in a statement to MailOnline.

'It is especially difficult when you lose the person closest to you. Paris is physically fine and is getting appropriate medical attention,' Mr Sanders added

Read the full story in Hello! Magazine out now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2402358/Katherine-Jackson-opens-decision-remove-Michaels-childrens-masks.html

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Paris Jackson
Katherine Jackson: „Paris geht es viel besser“

Dienstag, 27.08.2013, 20:22

Drei Monate ist es mittlerweile her, dass sich Michael Jacksons Tochter Paris das Leben nehmen wollte. Nun meldet sich erstmals ihre Großmutter Katherine zu Wort. In einem Interview mit dem britischen Magazin „Hello!“ erklärte die 83-Jährige: „Paris geht es schon viel besser.“

Katherine Jackson (83), die Mutter des verstorbenen King of Pop, meldet sich zum ersten Mal nach dem Selbstmordversuch ihrer Enkelin Paris (15) zu Wort. Die einzige Tochter von Michael Jackson wurde im Juni mit aufgeschnittenen Pulsadern in eine Klinik in Los Angeles eingeliefert. Derzeit erhole sich Paris in einer Einrichtung, die auf Depressionen und Trauerbewältigung bei Jugendlichen spezialisiert ist. „Sie ist an einem guten Ort und bekommt die Hilfe, die sie braucht“, erklärte Katherine im Interview mit dem britischen Magazin „Hello!“.

„Ihr geht es viel besser. Die Behandlung verläuft wirklich gut.“ Die 83-Jährige, die nach Michael Jacksons Tod im Jahr 2009 das Sorgerecht für dessen Kinder Paris, Prince (16) und Blanket (11) übernommen hatte, leidet sehr unter dem Selbstmordversuch ihrer Enkelin. „Sie ist mein Baby. Es ist schwer für mich, wirklich schwer“, gesteht Katherine. „Alles, was ich wollte ist, dass die Kinder glücklich sind. In der Nacht als Michael starb, schrie Paris unter Tränen: ,Ich will gehen und Daddy sehen, ich will nicht ohne ihn sein´“, erinnert sich Katherine.

Es vergehe auch heute noch kein Tag, an dem sie nicht an ihren Sohn denke, schildert die 83-Jährige weiter. „Er war ein guter Vater, der beste. Er war auch ein guter Sohn.“ Auch wenn sich ihre Erziehungsmethoden von denen ihres Sohnes unterscheiden. „Michael hat sie immer vor der Öffentlichkeit versteckt. Ich habe darüber nachgedacht und mir gesagt, ich werde sie nicht so erziehen, ich werde sie keine Masken tragen lassen.“

Die Kinder seien großartig, schwärmt Katherine im Interview weiter. „Sie sind unbeschreiblich höflich, das hat ihnen Michael beigebracht. Er legte großen Wert auf gute Manieren, aber es ist auch eine andere Generation“, räumt die 83-Jährige ein. „Ich verstehe diese ganze Social-Media-Sache nicht. Sie hängen ständig an ihren Handys.“

Diese Woche wird Katherine in ihre Heimatstadt Gary im US-Bundesstaat Indiana zurückkehren, wo Michael Jackson geboren wurde. Am kommenden Donnerstag hätte er seinen 55. Geburtstag gefeiert. Ihm zu Ehren findet an diesem Tag ein Charity-Konzert statt.

http://www.focus.de/kultur/vermischtes/paris-jackson-katherine-jackson-paris-geht-es-viel-besser_aid_1083402.html (Archiv-Version vom 07.11.2013)?

Michael Jackson's mom remembers her 'sweet little boy'

By Alan Duke, CNN
August 29, 2013 -- Updated 2056 GMT (0456 HKT)

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
* Katherine Jackson shared stories of her son's early days in testimony earlier in the trial
* Michael's first public solo was "Climb Every Mountain" in a kindergarten program
* "He sang it with such clarity and didn't miss -- not flat or anything," his mother says
* Thursday would have been Michael Jackson's 55th birthday

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's life began on August 29, 1958, as the seventh child in a family crowded into a tiny home in Gary, Indiana.

His mother remembers "a sweet little child" who showed unusual empathy for others and who was born to sing and dance.

Katherine Jackson, 83, shared intimate stories about her son's early days when she testified earlier in the trial of her lawsuit against AEG Live, the concert promoter she accuses of liability in his death four years ago.

Her lawyers are asking a juror to award Jackson's mother and three children at least $1.6 billion to replace the lost income they argue he would have earned touring the world if he had not died while preparing for his comeback concerts on June 25, 2009.

Jackson would have just completed a world tour of his "This Is It" shows and likely would have begun making movies with his children Prince, Paris and Blanket if he had lived to see this 55th birthday Thursday, according to testimony in the trial.

Michael Jackson's humble start as the son of a steel mill worker in a large family is a remarkable contrast to the pop icon who spent lavishly, but also set world records for giving to charity.

Their first home had just two bedrooms, a living room, a kitchen and a small utility room for the washing machine and freezer. Michael and his four older brothers slept in stacked bunk beds in one bedroom, the parents in the other, while the daughters slept in the living room, the Jackson matriarch testified in an earlier court session.

The mother made some of their clothes, watched newspapers ads for sales and visited the Salvation Army store for shoes. "We made it that way," living pay day to pay day, she said.

When father Joe Jackson was laid off from his steel mill job he would go out of the city to farms to pick vegetables that his wife would can and store. "Every year we would buy a quarter of a cow or half of a cow and keep it in the freezer," she said. "And that's how we survived."

Young Michael saved his "little pennies and nickels" to buy candy and cookies, but he wouldn't eat it all, his mother said. "He liked to play 'store man.' He would take it and put it and set up a little store, and all the kids in the neighborhood would come and buy from him, and he felt like he was the store man."
When older brother Marlon became ill, 3-year-old Michael held his hand and cried, she said.

Michael's musical talents were obvious at a very early age. "He was born that way," she said. "When all the kids were dancing around, he was in my arms, and he couldn't be still. He was dancing, too, to the music. And when he started to walk, he would still dance."

She's told the story of Michael's interaction to her "old, rickety washing machine, a Maytag."

"It would make a rhythm noise, like 'squeaky, squeaky, katum, katum,' something like that, and he would be down there dancing, sucking his bottle to the squeaking of the washer," she said. "And I knew he was going to be -- he just loved music, and he loved to dance."

The family's old television set helped bring the brothers together as a singing group, she said.

"Sometimes it would break down," his mother said. And sometimes they would not have money to get it repaired. "And that's when the children first started singing. We would sing together, sing old country songs, folk songs."

Michael was five when he joined his brothers in talent contests at local high schools. "They had got so that they won all the contests -- every time there was a contest," she said.

When their group needed a name for an advertisement, their mother came up with "The Jackson Brothers 5." But the woman who was writing the ad suggested she "cut that a little short and name it 'The Jackson 5,'" she said. "And I thought it sounded better."

Michael's first solo performance was when he sang "Climb Every Mountain" in a kindergarten program when he was five, she said. "I was so nervous when he walked out on the stage, because he was always shy. He started singing the song, and he sang it with such clarity and didn't miss -- not flat or anything."

His paternal grandfather, who was in the audience "cried like a baby, looked around, and I was crying, too," she said. "He got a standing ovation for his performance and he wasn't nervous. I was shocked. I think he must feel more at home on stage."

Older brother Jermaine was the Jackson 5's lead singer from the start, but their mother told her husband it should be Michael. "I told him Jermaine needed help, and I told him Michael could help him," she said. "He didn't believe me, so I forced him to listen. And that's how Michael got the job."

The boys rehearsed in their living room. "We would push all the furniture back on the walls, and they would dance and set up the drums and things and rehearse right there," she said.

Instead of moving to a larger house as the family grew, they used any extra money to buy musical instruments. Katherine Jackson made their performance costumes.

Michael was nine when Motown signed the Jackson 5 to a recording contract and moved the boys to California, she said.

While much is made about Michael Jackson missing out on a normal childhood because of the constant touring and recording, his mother's stories suggest he always found a way to have fun.

Jackson recorded the title song for the 1972 film "Ben" -- a story about a young boy and his rat friend."He liked that song because he liked rats," his mother said. "I can remember a story that we went to Beverly Hills to have dinner and we were eating. Michael kept pulling his coat up and putting crumbs into his pocket. I said 'What are you doing?' and he held it up and he had a rat in his pocket. He was feeding it. I was really upset with him."

Katherine Jackson was not in court Thursday to hear the day's testimony because she was in Gary for her son's birthday celebration.

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Michael Jackson photo exhibit opens in Gary

Updated at 01:40 PM today

August 29, 2013 (GARY, Ind.) -- A photo exhibit that includes rare images of Michael Jackson and The Jackson Five has opened in the famous brothers' hometown of Gary.

The exhibit called "Never Can Say Goodbye - Celebrating the King of Pop and J5" opened Wednesday night at the Majestic Star Casino in Gary following a ribbon-cutting attended by Jackson family matriarch Katherine Jackson and 300 other guests.

The Times of Munster reports Katherine Jackson thanked the casino, Gary Mayor Karen Freeman-Wilson and others for honoring Michael Jackson in the years since his death in 2009.

Majestic Star Casino director of community relations Chareice White says the "exhibit gives a glimpse into the lives of Gary's famous sons."

The display runs through Sept. 5 at the casino's South Shore Event Center.

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