Oscar Pistorius, das Model, der Valentinstag und das war dann Notwehr

Tussinelda schrieb:zum gefühlten 100mal, Roux hat explizit gesagt, warum Botha nicht nach der CellphoneNUMBER gefragt hat, nicht nach dem Cellphone......es ging nämlich darum, dass Botha behauptete, es wäre gar nicht telefoniert worden, was Roux aber wiederlegen wollte, denn O.P. soll ja Stander und Netcare angerufen haben.....bei Stander können wir ja sicher sein, dass er das auch tat

The bail hearing has turned into a mini-trial, with both sides giving their version of what happened. The prosecution questioned whether Pistorius made emergency calls. The defence had said the athlete made calls, yet none were made to police or paramedics from the four cellphones seized at the house, Botha said.

Roux said the defence has a fifth phone showing Pistorius made emergency calls. He told the Star that the phone was available to the prosecution, but that they “hadn’t asked for it.”


http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/02/20/oscar_pistorius_case_bail_hearing_continues_testosterone_found.html

Tussinelda schrieb:....ich habe nur nie verstanden, wie man darauf kam, dass eines zurückgehalten wurde, denn ich hatte bei der Kautionsverhandlung davon nichts mitbekommen und die Aussagen in der Kautionsverhandlung auch nicht so verstanden, wie hier dargestellt........bin aber trotzdem von einem 5. aufgrund des gerade geschilderten ausgegangen, weil es so vehement behauptet wurde. Ich denke, es hat mit der Berichterstattung der ersten tage zu tun und damit, dass wohl nicht jeder, der die Kautionsverhandlung "verfolgt" hat und einen Artikel zusammenschrieb, auch alles richtig verstanden hat, der Akzent liegt nicht jedem.

Police also found two iPhones in the bathroom and two BlackBerrys in the bedroom, Botha said, adding that none had been used to phone for help. Roux later suggested that a fifth phone, not collected by the police, was used by Pistorius to make calls for a hospital and help. After the hearing, Roux told journalists that Pistorius' defense team had the phone, but did not elaborate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/20/oscar-pistorius-hearing-hilton-botha-testimony_n_2725410.html


2 phones found in the bathroom (IIRC, they were found on the floor mat): neither of these were used to call for help.

2 phones found in the bedroom: neither of these were used to call for help.

5th phone: OP's legal team collected this phone, and claim this is the phone OP used to call for help.

I've always been curious about the 2 phones found on the floor in the bathroom. Since neither of these were used to phone for help, I wonder why they were in the bathroom - on the floor, no less?

I've followed this case from the beginning, but took a break the past few months. Can someone please remind me whether or not the State is in possession of this 5th phone?

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10315663

Minderella schrieb:Wegen der entsicherten Waffe noch einmal: Hier waren doch einige User mit Schusswaffenerfahrung, können die etwas dazu sagen, ob man nicht bei regelmäßigem Gebrauch von Schusswaffen solch einen Automatismus entwickelt?

Ahnungslose schrieb:Bei so einem extremen Fall, wie das Töten ist, können alle bisherigen Automatismen blockiert werden sein. IMO

Lumina85 schrieb:Dann hätten wir auch Schläge NACH den Schüssen aber eben auch welche vorher

My perfect scenario....Roux questioning OP when he takes the stand & gives his version, as in his affidavit that Roux just might have helped prepare lol. Can you imagine OP explaining the open curtains in the bedroom....OP saying "I opened the curtains to scream for help from the balcony. Then Roux to OP "But that's not in your statement, how can it be, if you say you opened the curtains, wouldn't you think it was important to have that in your statement if you say that's how it is" lol


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237816&page=18

Botha's words from his Vanity Fair article.

“There is no way anything else could have happened,” said Botha. “It was just them in the house, and according to the security registers she had been staying there for two to three days, so he had to be used to her by that time.... There was no forced entry. The only place there could have been entrance was the open bathroom window, and we did everything we could to see if anyone went through it, and it was impossible. So I thought it was an open-and-closed case. He shot her—that’s it. I was convinced that it was murder, and I told my colonel, ‘You already read him his rights, so you have to arrest him.’ ”

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237816&page=18

As far as I understand OP [allegedly] said to Stander: "take my car to take reeva to hospital."
Stander says no, he would rather get a medical and ambulance....

Do you have a link where it was reported the car WAS running ? Sorry, but I can't follow the live stream so I ask for a link

And as far as I remember Stander stood at the car (a white BMW) with a phone at his ear when Dr Stipp arrived at OP's house. But at this time Stander have not called ambulance. He did it only when Dr Stipp asked him to do this.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237816&page=18