9/11: Tag der Verschwörungen?

sitting-bull schrieb:Sterben die Attentäter da? Ich schaue mir grundsätzlich keine Terror-Propaganda-Videos an...

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sitting-bull schrieb:Danke @ berlinandi für deine Erklärungen. So ist es OK. Einen Unterschied außerhalb der Reichweitenkonzipierung konnte ich bisher also nicht ausmachen- also ist "genau das Modell" immer noch gültig.

Es sind technische Unterschiede vorhanden ,aber das schrieb ich ja bereits .

@niurick

wie erwähnt, ist es ein äusserst populäres video. es zeigt eine gruppe mujaheddin bei ihrem kriegshandwerk. der einsatz einer flugabwehrrakete russischen typs gegen einen russischen hind.

Mujahideen vs Hind

New information confirmed that this is a Igla-1 9K310, NATO designation SA-16 GIMLET MANPADS in action in Chechnya.

Wikipedia: SA-16 Gimlet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVqHZ08uzbU

glaube, dass waren jetz alle informationen die noch fehlten, mehr gibt es nicht, zumindest nicht auf die schnelle und so leicht zu finden.


Sterben die Attentäter da?

nö, warum sollte der bevorstehende tod einen islamisch gläubigen attentäter davon abhalten, das gebräuliche "allahu akbar" auszustossen?

sitting-bull schrieb:Danke @ berlinandi für deine Erklärungen. So ist es OK. Einen Unterschied außerhalb der Reichweitenkonzipierung konnte ich bisher also nicht ausmachen- also ist "genau das Modell" immer noch gültig.

Eine 767-300 ist länger als eine -200 , daraus ergeben sich schon Unterschiede . Aber was jetzt der Sinkflug einer EA Maschine mit fernsteuerung zu tun hat verstehe ich immer noch nicht .

warum sollte der bevorstehende tod einen islamisch gläubigen attentäter davon abhalten, das gebräuliche "allahu akbar" auszustossen?

Dem stimme ich zu, denn:

Warum sollten islamisch gläubige Attentäter Whiskey trinken, rumhuren, sich in Spielcasinos aufhalten?

So wie Atta und Co, aber auch wie der Kandidat hier, El-Kaidas Nummer 5?

http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/20/20740/1.html
http://wissen.spiegel.de/wissen/dokument/dokument.html?id=41505984&top=SPIEGEL

Es sei denn, sie sind gar keine Fundamentalisten, die für ihren Glauben sterben. Die allzu westliche Ausrede, sie wollten vor ihrem Tod noch mal die Sau rauslassen, kann wohl für extreme Fundamentalisten nicht gelten- sonst würden sie niemals in das Paradies kommen- schließlich glauben die da dran!

Sitting-Bull,

Warum sollten islamisch gläubige Attentäter Whiskey trinken, rumhuren, sich in Spielcasinos aufhalten?

An diesem Punkt besteht immer noch die Frage nach der Finanzierung des "ausschweifenden Lebensstils".
Ist das nicht ein Hinweis auf "Finanziers"/ Einnahmen aus Drogendeals?

Könnte sein.

@Sitting Bull

nicht so fromme, drogenkonsumierende fundamentalisten... als ob das neuigkeiten wären. *g*

drogendealende taliban, gedopte "insurgents", mittels heroin gefügig machende muslimische kämpfer. der alkoholtrinkende vermeintliche "al qaida"-mann reiht sich nahtlos ein.

fragt sich einer, wer das falsche, von den medien eingebläute und unter dem gemeinen volk gängige bild eines fundamentalistischen, tiefgläubigen moslems, der für seine sache kämpft, in den kopf gemeistelt bekommen hat...

Das zweite Video zeigt den Abschuß eines MI-24 über Tschetschenien, das Video ist recht bekannt und authentisch.

paco


kurzer einwurf: ich denke nicht, dass das ein mi-24 ist. eher ein mi-17.

:)

Ich habe Mike Rudin, das ist auch so ein Verschwörungsrealitätsgestörter, mal eben meine Liste geschickt.

"The official investigators are confident they will be able to solve the final !!! mystery of 9/11"

Mike Rudin Spinmaster. Listen!

WTC 7 isn’t the final mystery, it is one in a row of mysteries.

I just put together the main valid points and hints for an inside job in the last two weeks, points that can not be debunked, as they stand straight for the seventh year after the attacks, and were nearly never touched by “debunkers”. There is no special order in that points, and I’m sure I can add another 200 ones- I’m just not in the mood for deliver hard facts to ignorants. And, BTW, I have sources for all points, valid sources, established sources. It’s no problem to research it.

1: The failing interception of the hijacked planes and the lying from NORAD and FAA. No one was held accountable.

2: Wargames and Exercises that day- cover and confusion

3: Angel is next

4: Secret Service in Booker Elementary School did not evacuate Bush immediately- they know he was not in danger

5: Many members of the Bush Admin spoke of opportunities that 9/11 offered, Bush inclusive.

6: The change in chain of command in case of hijacking- accentuated to Rumsfeld who was MIA that day.

7: Cheney as Master of Wargames in the PEOC, with Norman Mineta testimony “plane is 30 miles out”, exposed the lie when Cheney entered the PEOC and that they tracked the flights but did nothing “do the order still stand?”

8: Lies of the US admin regarding forewarnings- there were countless ones.

9: Lies of the US admin that nobody could imagine such a scenario- exposed through books (Bachmans Running Man), through televison (Pilot of “The Lone Gunmen” aired half a year before 9/11) , plans like OP Bojinka that were found 1995 and through WTC security analysis like Schnabolk did and even military trainings of NORAD and FEMA anticipated such a scenario

10: Investigations into the terror plot were shut down by superiors, FBI and CIA alike.
Nancy Floyd, Kenneth Williams, Coleen Rowley, Harry Samit, Robert Wright, Ali Soufan, John O’Neill. The 9/11 timesline lists hundreds of events which illustrated how this was done: keep all field agents in dark while all agency superiors knew all all along: the Yemen Hub, the Malaysia Summit, San Diego. Etc. The alleged "wall" between the agencies is a myth, there were two units on track of the terrorist who handled that "problem" by creating units with members of all agencies, I-49 squad and Alec Station.

11: The terror groups were infiltrated from the early days on: Zakhary, Ali Mohamed, Emad Salem, Randy Glass, Abduss Attar Sheikh, Melvin Lattimore (Marvin Lattimore) and many more. The blind Sheik Abdel Rahman was "hands off".

12: Quaint foreknowledge: Israels instant messager company Odigo receiced a warning before the attack, source WaPo, Ha’aretz. ZIM, an Israely state shipping company with ties to arm smuggling to Iran (CNN), moved out off the WTC several weeks before 9/11, URBAN MOVING SYSTEMS, the dancing Israelis, were there to document the event and high-fiving.
Silverstein had a doctors appointment, his kids were running late that day, if not, all of them would be on the 88. floor of the North Tower and trapped.
SF mayor Willie Brown was told not to fly that day, John Ashroft didn’t for a whole month before.

13: “Elephant” traces left behind to get the idea of “moslem terrorists”, while no one took credentials. Looks arranged.

14: Al Qaeda terror videos used pictures of FBI from the hijackers- did they had no own ones? A video showing Atta and Jared in Afghanistan, promoted as evidence, was part of a western intelligence sting OP and shown in the documentary “Road to Guantanamo”, it could be established that some picures were shown the “foreign combattants” back in 2003, while the terror evidence hoax was promoted in 2007!

15: The leader of the free world, surrounded by inncocent first graders- a Psy-OP. A tip more and it would become bizarre.

16: Reducing the body count through prepairedness and exercises as well as the overall conducting- FEMA arrived late Monday night in New York for TRIPOD III, at the Pentagon a mass casualty exercise was underway, the Secret Service scrambled in NY because of an UN meeting, the time of the attacks (just before the working starts in NY) the North Tower hit wide above, the South Tower on one hand side so that one stairwell remains intact, while it was evacuated and so on. Clearly islamic terrorist do want high body count, only someone with some sort of conscience would subscribe to a body count nearly as high as in a kind of Pearl Harbor attack, the script analogy, that was adressed many times before and after 9/11.

17: The Bush Admin and its lack of will to investigate the attacks- we all knew of the question to Daschle and Co. to limit the scope of an investigation, the underfinanced 9/11 commission set up to fail in late 2002, the trick to perform the FBI to “never again” instead of researching 9/11, and to sidetrack the investigations with the never expelled Anthrax terror case.

18: Especially for Rudin: The role of the media as attack dogs, if there is nothing to hide, you don’t have to put out ad hominems. All kind of critic on Bush, even harmless one, was used to fire journalists after 9/11. Unpatriotic- McCarthyism.

19: Osama is guilty- since Second Zero, as Tenet, Rumsfeld or Fox News told us- while they promised to deliver a white paper for his guilt, we wait till today, Osama left unaccounted…

20. Pentagon was hit- the best defended building in the world.

21: The date- 9/11 as Emergency Call, a PSY-OP, but on the same day the Pentagon was begun to built, the NWO speech of G.Bush, 11 years before, 9/11 111 days from the end of the year. Muslim terrorists won’t use kabbalistiks, it’s demons work.

22: WTC 7 fire alarm was off due to test modus, no fire alarm data was provided in WTC 1 and 2, besides that all WTC alarms were sent offsite by satellite- someone is lying to us.
The repeater system did also malfunction, NIST claims a button was not pressed, but the very specialist for fire safety was with the firefighters at the fire command station in the North Tower Lobby. Mike Hurley. Incompetence? Again with no consequences. As for Rudy Giuliani.

23: Forged Evidence: The Al-Sutami pass surviving the WTC “infernos”, the new red bandana recovered from UA93, the CVR recordings of UA93 that do not stand up to closer scrutiny, all important data that would validate the authentification is amiss, the hijackers used a “Allah Akbar”, instead of what muslim experts say, the last words before dying were “"I testify there is no god but god and mohammed is the prophet of god.” And Allah Akbar would only be what a bad Hollywood script writer think of what they would say.
The “Osama is guilty” Pentagon video, found “coincidentally” in Jalalabad.
PFLP credential claim a fake- as dancing Palestinians, an old video.

24: Abu Ali Mustafa was murdered by Israel two weeks before 9/11- Mustafa was a leading man in the PFLP, who once hijacked four planes to bomb them, but failed to do so.
Bassum Abu Sharifs mentioned a plan is his autobiography: Haddads plan had been simple: stuff the light plane to the gills with high explosives, then get Abu Harb to fly the pre-planned route and crash it right into the middle of Tel Aviv's tallest building, Shalom Tower.
There are hints that the PFLP was a Shin Bet/Mossad sting OP, like Entebbe and the Sayeret Matkal (David H. Colvin). On board of one plane on 9/11 was Daniel Lewin, once member of that group, allegedly stabbed by one hijacker. Protecting a high secret plan?

25: All evidence for demolitions in NY on 9/11: Molten metal, high-tempeatur attack (the “meteorite”), carbonized paper, vaporized bodies and elements as molybden and vanadium, traces of original Nano-Thermate, microscopic spheres, finger-print of molten iron / thermate residues, WTC7, the farce of FEMA and NIST investigation and so on.

26: The Put-Options as evidence someone know something, even is this was a cover for a general sell before 9/11 and buy back-action afterwards item.

27: Secrecy under the mantle of “national security” as homicide-argument- e.g. try to get a view on the rest of the planes, the Pentagon videos, the 7000 pictures from NY NIST claims it has in his pocket, the long overdue firefighter interviews only made public through court action and so on.
Missing floor plans and statics. Variables of all NIST evaluation and tests.

28: Cui Bono, the Neocon Noble Lie and legend of a foreign enemy to unite within, energy, economy, military budgets, UNOcoal, Pipeline, iraqi oil, permanent war on terra, they were capable of such a crime, had a motive and the occasion do to so as they overtook the US government.

29: Bush was not elected, remember the vote scandal in Florida- the media hides that recount result till after 9/11 even as it was ready, later, when no one could critize a war time president, so at last the results were published without publicity, in the back of a few newspapers, with false headlines and the view on only one recount ballot- the undervotes. Clearly Bush had an motive: from a lame duck, not elected, doing nothing in foreign policy and 5 weeks vacation to a war time beloved president and with 80 % approval rates. Clinton was enabled by terror- the WTC 93 false flag terror, too.

30: Mysterious money transactions in the Twins before they collapsed, Convar, Andrei Koudachev und Gary Faberov, Evergreen “First Equity”. How did they now they would get away with their crimes?

31: The US Patriot Act was signed into law late October- nearly 1000 pages of highly sophisticated juristic law, that’s totally impossible in just 4 weeks- the law was written before and laid on some desks in Washington.

32: The story of the missing paymaster told by Chaim Kupferberg.

33: The war in Afghanistan was ordered before 9/11. “Carpet of bombs”, Nifay Naik, US and British fleet on the way before 9/11.

34: The Jimjams of G.W. Bush, asked about foreknowledge- a criminal suspiciously behaviour.

35: The role of Saudi-Arabia in the plot, 9/11 hijackers tied to Saudi government, Graham says in book. Graham wrote that the staff of the congressional inquiry concluded that two Saudis in the San Diego area, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassan, who gave significant financial support to two hijackers, were working for the Saudi government.
3 sheiks turned dead after Zubadai sings their names in US custody to US intelligence services, as he believed he was held by Saudis and the princes would know what to do.

36: Saudi-Government denied that there was ever a quarrel about the suspect list with prince Saud and the US government- but we do have that document.

37: The mysteries surrounding Atta and Co., Military Schools, Jump Seats, Wolfgang Bohringer, Amanda Keller, Whiskey, Women and Drugs, Casino ships, Las Vegas Trips, their missing motive (Why did these 19 do what they did? Hamilton, “They hate us because of our freedom” is no real explanation) Their flights around the world despite beeing watchlisted, their travel destinations (Marriot at WTC), everything.

38: NIST concealed the ownership change in the months before 9/11 to Silverstein, so a dubious smell remains- Silverstein is no prime suspect for me, but to handle three buildings over to a men with jewish religion looks like a trap that was built up to dismiss all “hot demolition” claims as antisemitic- a claim that wouldn’t be possible with the PANYNJ in charge of the buildings. Besides that Lucky Larry had unbelieveable luck- only his buildings deconstructed in full on 9/11, other surrounding buildings do still stand, as Deutsche Bank building or Fiterman Hall, and keep in mind the asbestos concerns and other problems with a deconstruction of such large White Elephants. Not a single item of the treaties is known, even Vornado won't tell us.

39: All the dis-info-artist out there are there for a reason- fog of war, ad hominems, divide and conquer, Co-Intel-Pro- the more because it became even more acute.

40: Black Boxes of WTC crash found or not?
“The FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.”
There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.)
And Hamilton did not know- everytime somethings smells fishy he just do not know:

Hamilton: I do not recall any reference to the black box.

Solomon: Were they all found?

Hamilton: I do not know, off hand, I do not know.

41: Tape of Flight controllers was destroyed. Why?

42: Shock & Awe as described by the secret leader of the 9/11 commission:
Catastrophic Terrorism: Tackling the new danger. Philip Zelikow. Now was that article a fear mongering one or a wish-list? Could it be misinterpreted as the ladder by some rogue elements in the US admin, like the shadow government, which was established trough the JFK murder, false flag terror and all the roots of undisputed government misdoings the last 40 years?


Mal sehen ob das auf dem BBC Blog veröffentlicht wird.

From Steven Jones;

Kevin Ryan shows his skills as both a chemist and a “private investigator” in his paper, “The Top Ten Connections Between NIST and Nano-Thermites” – Published July 4, 2008, in the Journal of 9/11 Studies.

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf

Kevin Ryan discusses nano-thermite (“super-thermite”) and provides very important results of his own investigation of connections between NIST and researchers studying/developing nano-thermite.

Several of us have been discussing nano-thermite for quite a while now. For instance, I announced in Boston last year the observation of red-gray chips which I found in WTC dust samples. (If you need to catch up, pls see this short video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4186920967571123147&hl=en ) Research papers on this material are now being written/reviewed for publication.

Thermite is comprised of aluminum powder and iron oxide powder (or another metal oxide). When the powders are “ultra-fine grain”, less than about 100 nano-meters, then nano-thermite is formed. This form of thermite, also known as “super-thermite,” is not just an incendiary – it is EXPLOSIVE!

I explained this distinction and even gave references to the explosive nature of super-thermite/nano-thermite in my first-published paper on 9/11, available here: http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/Why_Indeed_Did_the_WTC_Buil...

Here’s a quote from that paper, pp. 16-17 (hope you all have read it, or will do so!):

"Researchers can greatly increase the power of weapons by adding materials known as superthermites that combine nanometals such as nanoaluminum with metal oxides such as iron oxide, according to Steven Son, a project leader in the Explosives Science and Technology group at Los Alamos. "The advantage (of using nanometals) is in how fast you can get their energy out," Son says. Son says that the chemical reactions of superthermites are faster and therefore release greater amounts of energy more rapidly... Son, who has been working on nanoenergetics for more than three years, says that scientists can engineer nanoaluminum powders with different particle sizes to vary the energy release rates. This enables the material to be used in many applications, including underwater explosive devices… However, researchers aren't permitted to discuss what practical military applications may come from this research." (Gartner, January 2005)

Yet we still find debunkers stating loudly and incorrectly that “thermite is an incendiary” only (very hot, but slow-reacting), completely ignoring the facts about nano-thermite. A NIST FAQ says something like this – perhaps someone can dig up the reference. Time to set the record straight, in a big way.

And Kevin Ryan’s paper goes a LONG way to set the record straight about nano-thermite along with a solid framework for further investigation. ANY serious investigation must now include these data he provides on explosive nano-thermites and those who have researched these materials--having connections with the “official story” of 9/11.

There is much information also in his extensive footnotes, which I invite you to follow… I’m working on reading many of these myself!

I’m particularly pleased that Kevin’s paper is available before the BBC presentation (on July 6th) regarding WTC 7 and recent research.

When I was interviewed by BBC in March 2008 for this documentary, I spent hours with, and showed, the BBC crew red-gray chips in the laboratory. Will they even mention these compelling evidences for un-reacted nano-thermites found in the WTC dust? We’ll see…

I have one request of the 9/11 truth-leads-to-peace community as you read this: I’m trying to get a sample of nano-thermite/super-thermite for tests and comparisons. A LLNL (Los Alamos) report noted that “super-thermite electric matches” are used to ignite some fireworks, via an electric current through the super-thermite. Such super-thermite matches may be the easiest –to-get source for super-thermite…

*Quoting from the Los Alamos report (from a 2006 talk I gave):

“The Super-Thermite electric matches… are safer to use because they resist friction, impact, heat… thereby minimizing accidental ignition.
• “Applications include
triggering explosives for demolition”
http://awards.lanl.gov/PDFfiles/Super-Thermite_Electric_Matches_2003.pdf (Archiv-Version vom 15.01.2009)


(Photo of super-thermite matches from the Los Alamos report.) I know several of you out there are super-sleuths (like my friend Kevin Ryan!) and will be able to track down and – if possible – purchase a few of these super-thermite electric matches. I would deeply appreciate it… Can you see the importance?

http://www.911blogger.com/node/16483

Wurde natürlich bisher nicht veröffentlicht, BBC sagt jetzt ja auch, das letzte 9/11 Rätsel gelöst zu haben und verhält sich damit wie ein drittklassiger Debunker, der selber definiert, was das letzte Rätsel ist und stur kraft seiner vermeintlichen Autorität behauptet, gehen sie weiter, auch hier gibt es nichts zu sehen.

Interessant, der Ryan-Artikel, diese "zufälligen" Verbindungen, dzdzdz.

Die gleichen Leute, die uns den NIST-Report präsentieren, haben sich um Nano-Thermate-Forschung verdient gemacht, und hatten auch Zugang zu den Towers. Am interessanstesten ist das "oncoating" von Nano-Thermate möglich ist, d.h. also, der Verdacht einer aufzusprühenden Nano-Thermate-"Farbe" verdichtet sich.

Ergänzen würde ich dazu noch, das beim FBI der Leiter der forensischen Sprengstoffabteilung Frederick Whitehurst schön vorher abgesägt wurde, und der dann aussagte, man fälschte beim FBI vorher schon wissenschaftliche Erklärungen zu den verwendeten Sprengstoffsorten bei WTC93 und OKC95.

DJS4000 schrieb:kurzer einwurf: ich denke nicht, dass das ein mi-24 ist. eher ein mi-17.

Der erste Hubschrauber, der im Video auftaucht, dürfte ein Mi-8 sein, insofern hast Du Recht. Geschossen wird dann aber auf einen zweiten, und das ist ein Mi-24.

paco

9/11 Chronicles, Part 1: Truth Rising, ist sicher mit Abstand der beste Film, der je von Alex Jones gemacht wurde.

Pflichtprogramm! Sollte im Hauptabendprogramm gezeigt werden, was natürlich nie passieren wird!

Der erste Hubschrauber, der im Video auftaucht, dürfte ein Mi-8 sein, insofern hast Du Recht. Geschossen wird dann aber auf einen zweiten, und das ist ein Mi-24.

paco


tatsächlich, seh ich jetzt erst. mein fehler :)

´tschuldigt BITTE aber:

WAS sagen denn die Hinterbliebenen der Opfer (die man nach 9/11 ja nicht gerade mit der Lupe suchen mußte) zu den (VT)-Vorwürfen - würd mich jetzt 1mal WIRKLICH interressieren, da ich 1x im Netz lesen konnte, daß eine (Kino)-Veröffentlichung von `Loose Change´ u. U. einen gewaltsamen Regierungswechsel in den USA nach sich ziehen könnte!!

Die Angehörigen-Opfer sind auf der Seite der Aufklärer, nicht auf der Seite der Aufklärungsverhinderer. Ebenso die Ersthelher, die jetzt zu zehntausenden sterben.

Siehe Truth Rising. Der Film ist sozusagen eine Art Selbstporträt, wie es überhaupt zur "We are change" Bewegung in den USA und jetzt sogar weltweit kam. und er richtet sein Hauptaugenmerkt auf die First Responders, während 9/11 Press for Truth eher den Blickwinkel der kritischen Angehörigen-Opfer beleuchtet.



Torrent-Link für Truth Rising

http://www.mininova.org/tor/1563968 (Archiv-Version vom 16.09.2008)


Press for Truth:

http://www.911pressfortruth.com/

Download:

http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?cat=3&med=0&ord=Name&strt=0&vid=165&epi=0&typ=0 (Archiv-Version vom 16.08.2007)