wie geil ist das denn, kein problem kann ja mal passieren, aber die selben Leute machen bei den seps ein totales fass auf, ihr seid echt die geilstenHape1238 schrieb:Ja, das kann passieren
In Deinem Fall trifft es wohl eher Kant:Foss schrieb:aufgeklärte Westbürger
Daß der bei weitem größte Teil der Menschen (darunter das ganze schöne Geschlecht) den Schritt zur Mündigkeit, außer dem daß er beschwerlich ist, auch für sehr gefährlich halte: dafür sorgen schon jene Vormünder, die die Oberaufsicht über sie gütigst auf sich genommen haben.Du bist eigentlich in Deinem Glauben gefangen, hältst Dich aber für aufgeklärt und überlegen - bist Du aber nicht. :D
Danke dir ;)unreal-live schrieb: ihr seid echt die geilsten
Also findest du alles vertretbar was nicht mindestens nach Grosny aussieht. Ganz große Relativierungsnummer, find ich schon bisschen krank, ehrlich.
Und wer sagt mir das? Jemand, der selbst glaubt andern sagen zu können, dass sie glauben im Recht zu sein? Das ich nicht lache. Zumal es hier nicht um Glauben geht, sonst wär die Diskussion in der Rubrik "Spiritualität". Es werden somit nur Argumente zugelassen und festgestellt wurde, dass du keine vorgebracht hast.ornis schrieb:Du bist eigentlich in Deinem Glauben gefangen, hältst Dich aber für aufgeklärt und überlegen - bist Du aber nicht. :D
ich finde gar nix vertretbar , ich hab einfach mal 2 ATO`S verglichen miteinander . dir war es ja auch wichtig dieses video heute zu posten ->
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday blamed the Ukrainian government for the latest upsurge in fighting between Kiev forces and Russia-backed rebels in east Ukraine.
After taking a dive in an underwater submersible in Crimea, a Black Sea peninsula Moscow annexed from Kiev last year, Putin told reporters:
"Regrettably, we are now seeing this conflict escalation and the blame lies not with the Donbas militia but with the rival side," he said, referring to the rebel-held Ukrainian region.
"I hope there won't be full-scale direct clashes."
(Reporting by Denis Dyomkin; writing by Gabriela Baczynska; editing by Polina Devitt)
hier gibt es seine aussagen von gestern , viel zündstoff . putin hat ja dann heute auf der krim ! nochmal nachgelegt .evilparasit schrieb:Lawrow sagt
Question: Half a year has passed since the signing of the Minsk agreements. German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier recently described the situation as “explosive”. Do you think it is necessary to hold a new summit in the Normandy format? There are appeals for an emergency meeting of Kiev’s representatives with those of the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics. Is this possible?wenn ich schon les " goodwill gesture " krieg ich zuviel ... :)
Sergey Lavrov: Indeed, we are concerned regarding the implementation of the February 12 Minsk agreements. I regularly discuss this issue with my colleagues. Literally the other day, I spoke with US Secretary of State John Kerry and German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier. We informed Paris about our assessments – on par with Germany and Russia, France is a kind of guarantor of the Minsk accords.
The situation at the frontline rather than the line of contact is disturbing. Talks on demilitarising Shirokino and withdrawing weapons with a calibre under 100 mm to a distance of 15 km on each side were held for a long time in response to the appeals of the Normandy Four, but no agreement was reached because Kiev continuously changed its position. As you know, the self-defence fighters followed with unilateral steps – they left Shirokino and withdrew weapons from it to a distance of three km. We hoped that the Ukrainian armed forces would welcome this goodwill gesture, but this did not happen. Ukrainian regular troops entered Shirokino to replace the fighters from the so-called voluntary Azov battalion. There are reports about the arrival of sea soldiers there, which also suggests certain conclusions. The agreement on the withdrawal of troops that was about to be made was not signed at the Contact Group meeting because Ukraine changed its position at the last moment and relinquished preliminary accords. When asked what prompted this step, the Ukrainian representatives replied: “We endorsed something here as it was but Kiev told us we did the wrong thing.”
We are concerned about the developments over the past few days, which are very similar to military actions. This is what happened in August 2014 when the Ukrainian army received an order to attack. When the attack broke down, Ukraine agreed to talks and Minsk-1 was held. The same happened last January when another attempt was made to resolve the issue by force but it fell through. Ukraine again agreed to talks and Minsk-2 took place.
We think it is not worth staging experiments and pushing luck. The sides should simply fulfil what they agreed on in Minsk. I’m referring not only to the de-escalation of military tensions, but also to the start of the political process described in detail in the Minsk agreements.
Instead of constitutional amendments that would define the rights of the territories controlled by the self-proclaimed DPR and LPR that were formulated textually by the German and French leaders at the talks in Minsk on February 12, let me repeat that these rights should be sealed in the Constitution. So, instead of making the relevant amendments, they first adopt in the Fundamental Law some transitional provisions to the effect that sometime in the future some territories somewhere in Ukraine will receive a special status. Later on, this amorphous promise was transferred from transitional provisions to another section of the Constitution.
Kiev declares that it has complied with its commitments while US Vice President Joe Biden sends greetings to the Verkhovna Rada, praising Ukraine for resolving the decentralisation issue. So, it was enough just to promise something in the vein of local self-government sometime in the future in some part of Ukraine.
Russia prepared a detailed unofficial document (about eight pages), analysing to which extent the actions of the Ukrainian authorities match the commitments, primarily political ones, assumed by Ukrainian President Petr Poroshenko under the Minsk accords. We transferred this document to the members of the Normandy Four, including Ukraine and the United States.
Is it necessary to use the Normandy format? Yes, I think it is, because after all of the Normandy Four supported the agreements signed on February 12 by the representatives of Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk with the participation of Russia and the OSCE. The Normandy Four, primarily, Germany and France, are responsible for the implementation of these agreements by the Ukrainian authorities. We will be prepared to hold meetings at an expert level to begin with to present two documents: the Minsk Package of Measures and the Verkhovna Rada-adopted constitutional amendments on the conducting of local elections in Donbass and the granting of a special status to its territories. A simple comparison of President Poroshenko’s commitments and Kiev’s deeds should be an amusing undertaking. We are ready to discuss this with those that guaranteed Ukraine’s bona fide actions.
As for direct talks between Kiev, Lugansk and Donetsk, this is the gist of all of the agreements concluded in Minsk and without this we will move nowhere. There is a Contact Group with four subgroups. All efforts to overcome the obstacles in the way of implementing the February 12 Package of Measures can only be held under the auspices of these subgroups. The Ukrainian side is continuously trying to either avoid such contacts or impose on others an approach according to which all issues should be resolved without Donetsk and Lugansk that should merely be faced with a fait accompli. All of this gives food for alarm.
I hope that the series of meetings of the Contact Group and its subgroups scheduled next week will overcome the trend of Kiev’s renunciation of a direct dialogue. I also hope that we will help develop such a dialogue in cooperation with our partners in the Normandy format and our US colleagues who reassured us of their sincere desire to see the complete implementation of the Minsk-2 agreements.
Regrettably, for the time being, we are witnessing attempts by the Ukrainian leaders to escalate tensions with totally incredible, delirious statements. I will quote an excerpt from the Ukrainian president’s recent interview with the newspaper Liberation. When asked about his opinion on Russia’s policy, Mr Poroshenko replied: “Well, Putin wants all of Europe. Can Russia launch aggression against Finland? Yes, it can. And what about the Baltic countries? Of course. And what about the countries in the Black Sea basin? Yes. This is why Ukraine is fighting not only for its own sovereignty and integrity but also for the democracy, freedom and security of the entire European continent.”
Obviously, a man who makes such unprovoked statements (he asks himself if President Putin is ready to attack all of Europe and he himself replies affirmatively) is sooner trying to support Russophobia in the West and artificially escalate tensions to divert attention from his inability to fulfil everything he has signed for.
We are concerned about the lack of negotiability regarding the current Ukrainian authorities. This is why we hope that the Normandy Four are bound to see all of these games and Russia’s sincere efforts to ensure the implementation of the Minsk accords by all sides. We hope they understand the game that the Ukrainian leaders are trying to involve everyone in.
Nun, einer muß es ja mal machen. Wenn man in der Wissenschaftsrubrik den Müll von Dir auf Dauer unwidersprochen stehen läßt denkt am Ende noch jemand, daß so wissenschaftliche Arbeit aussieht.
Die Verschiebung hatte ich mehrfach vorgeschlagen. Die korrekte Rubrik wäre dann wohl "Unterhaltung" - paßt zur Mehrzahl der hier vorgebrachten "Argumente" und entspricht auch eher dem vorliegendem Bunte-Niveau.
Was von Dir kam war bisher auch eher dürftig - zumindest was das Thema angeht. Deine "Argumente" basieren nunmal größtenteils auf Glauben.
Ich denke, diese Reden sind schierer Populismus.
Donetsk, 20 Aug DAN. The Ministry of defence DND announced the upcoming plans of the offensive of the armed forces to Donbass. This was stated today at the briefing in the press center DAN Deputy commander of the corps of the Ministry of defence DND Eduard Bacurin.aha , blitzkrieg also .
"From a source in the Ukrainian General staff, oddly enough, but still there are some officers who don't want to fight against his own people received information about the plan of the further actions of the Ukrainian army", — he noted.
According to him, after "carrying out shelling of the positions of the DPR, the APU will start an offensive on Mariupol and Debaltseve directions."
"Two converging shocks in the direction of the village Uspenka Kyiv plans to defeat DPR and reach the border with Russia, and further to prevent the exit of civilians on the territory of Russia — continued Bacurin. — Concurrently in the direction of Donetsk two groups Ukraine intends to launch an offensive North and South of Donetsk in the direction of Ilovaisk to close the ring around the capital of the Republic."
On Lugansk the direction of VSU plan to separate the fighting with units of the people's militia LNR order to prevent their diversion to help the DNR.
"Further active battles will be waged in the direction of Lugansk with a purpose to reach the border with Russia", — said the representative of the military Department.
According to the plan of Kiev, this "Blitzkrieg" will allow you to break the militia and destroy the independent Republic, believe in the Ministry of defense.
"However I would like to remind the pundits in the Ukrainian General staff that attempts to realize this "Napoleonic plans" they have already been taken, but it all ended "Izvarinskij" and "Ilovaisky" boilers, which killed a huge number of Ukrainian soldiers," concluded Basurin
MOSCOW, August 20. /TASS/. The Defense Ministry of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) has information that the Ukrainian armed forces are preparing an offensive in the Donetsk Region in east Ukraine, ministry spokesman Eduard Basurin said on Thursday.http://tass.ru/en/world/815598 (Archiv-Version vom 20.08.2015)
"Information has been received about the plan of forthcoming actions by the Ukrainian army from a source in the Ukrainian General Staff and, no matter how strange this may seem, there are still true officers there who do not want to fight against their own people," Basurin said at a briefing in the press center of the Donetsk News Agency.
According to Basurin, the Ukrainian military will launch an offensive in the Mariupol and Debaltsevo directions after "artillery shelling of the DPR’s positions."
"Kiev plans to deliver two converging blows in the direction of the settlement of Uspenka to defeat the DPR and advance to the border with Russia and subsequently prevent civilians from reaching the Russian territory," Basurin said.
"Along with this, two groupings [of Kiev’s forces] are intended to launch an offensive in the Donetsk direction north and south of Donetsk towards Ilovaisk, close the circle around the republic’s capital and encircle the city," the spokesman said.
In the Luhansk direction, Kiev’s forces are planning to hold separate combat operations against the militia of the Luhansk People’s Republic to prevent their redeployment to provide support to the DPR, the spokesman said.
"Further on, active offensive operations will be launched in the Luhansk direction with the aim to advance to the border with Russia," Basurin said.
According to the DPR Defense Ministry, Kiev hopes this blitzkrieg will help it crush the militia and destroy the Donbass republics.
"At the same time, it would be nice to remind these ‘wise guys’ in the Ukrainian General Staff that the attempts to carry through such ‘Napoleon plans’ were made before but all this ended in the encirclement of the Ukrainian troops near Izvarino and Ilovaisk where a great number of Ukrainian soldiers died," the DRP Defense Ministry spokesman said.
Thousands have been killed and hundreds of thousands of people have fled Ukraine’s embattled east as a result of clashes between Ukrainian troops and local militias in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions during Kiev’s military operation, launched in mid-April 2014 to regain control over parts of the breakaway territories, which call themselves the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics.
