Der hybride Krieg Russlands gegen die Ukraine
20.06.2015 um 11:10das sind wohl momente , da sollte einem nix durch den kopf gehen ...
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der kreml hat die wichtigen sachen von putins auftritt in sankt petersburg übersetzt . very nice .
beginnt mit einer frage eines US-staatsbürgers
das ist schon etwas brot was er da hinschmeisst
just as the representatives of Donbass are... nein herr putin - die rebellen wollen keine dezentralisation
geht weiter
ist natürlich hammer , die ukraine startet ne ATO gegen bestimmte terroristen alla girkin und die leute finden daraufhin MLRS systeme , artillerie ,etc
also praktisch hat die ukraine die waffen ins eigene land gebracht die gefunden wurden , sobald aber das problem gelöst ist werden sich keine waffen mehr finden lassen .
ziemliches putinisch hier
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der kreml hat die wichtigen sachen von putins auftritt in sankt petersburg übersetzt . very nice .
beginnt mit einer frage eines US-staatsbürgers
There are some very serious issues that can be resolved only if Russia takes action, if you take part. We are talking about economic policy, foreign policy, Ukraine, the Baltic states, Europe, Syria, Iran, China, and Russia. There are very many questions, there are problems, and there are conflicts. Russia has to play its part in finding solutions to many problems. There is the issue of borders, the issue of Russia and Ukraine. Could you help us understand as you see it: where are we? How did we get there and where do we go from here?putins antwort ist länger , ich kürz das bissl ab
We keep talking about things that already happened, but we never discuss why they happened. And if you do want to talk about this and it does seem important, I would prefer to begin with precisely that.Why did we arrive at the crisis in Ukraine? I am convinced that after the so-called bipolar system ceased to exist, after the Soviet Union was gone from the political map of the world, some of our partners in the west, including and primarily the United States, of course, were in a state of euphoria of sorts. Instead of developing good neighbourly relations and partnerships, they began to develop the new geopolitical space that they thought was unoccupied. This, for instance, is what caused the North Atlantic block, NATO, to go east, along with many other developments.I have been thinking a lot about why this is happening and eventually came to the conclusion that some of our partners seem to have gotten the illusion that the world order that was created after World War II, with such a global centre as the Soviet Union, does not exist anymore, that a vacuum of sorts has developed that needs to be filled quickly. I think such an approach is a mistake..
We did not bring about the crisis in Ukraine. There was no need to support, as I have said many times, the anti-state, anti-constitutional takeover that eventually led to a sharp resistance on the territory of Ukraine, to a civil war in fact.
Today we primarily need to comply with all the agreements reached in Minsk, the capital of Belarus. I would like to reiterate that we would never have signed this document if there had been anything we were not satisfied with. Now that it happened and we signed it, we will work to achieve its full implementation.
e keep hearing the same thing, repeated like a mantra – that Russia should influence the southeast of Ukraine. We are. However, it is impossible to resolve the problem through our influence on the southeast alone. There has to be influence on the current official authorities in Kiev, which is something we cannot do. This is a road our western partners have to take – those in Europe and America. Let us work together.
We do not want anything. The people of Ukraine should want the Ukrainian government to do something, or not to do.
We believe that to resolve the situation we need to implement the Minsk agreements, as I said.
The first one is constitutional reform, and the Minsk agreements say clearly: to provide autonomy or, as they say decentralisation of power, let it be decentralisation. This is quite clear, our European partners, France and Germany have spelt it out and we are quite satisfied with it, just as the representatives of Donbass are.
The second thing that has to be done – the law passed earlier on the special status of these territories – Lugansk and Donetsk, the unrecognised republics, should be enacted. It was passed, but still not acted upon. This requires a resolution of the Supreme Rada – the Ukrainian Parliament, which is also covered in the Minsk agreements.
The third thing is a law on amnesty. It is impossible to have a political dialogue with people who are threatened with criminal persecution. And finally, they need to pass a law on municipal elections on these territories and to have the elections themselves. All this is spelled out in the Minsk agreements, this is something I would like to draw your attention to, and all this should be done with the agreement of Donetsk and Lugansk.
das ist schon etwas brot was er da hinschmeisst
just as the representatives of Donbass are... nein herr putin - die rebellen wollen keine dezentralisation
geht weiter
Charlie Rose: As you may know, the United States of America believe that you are arming the separatists, you encourage them, you engage the Russian Armed Forces to fuel the conflict. There is strong concern that this could lead to a new cold war.also in einem regionalkonflikt findet man einfach waffen , da bleibt er echt eisern . aber ....
Vladimir Putin: You know, it is not local conflicts that cause a cold war, but global decisions – like the withdrawal of the United States from the antimissile defence treaty. This is a step that pushes us all towards a new spiral in the arms race because it changes the global security system.
As for regional conflicts, the conflicting sides seem to always – and I stress, always find weapons. This is true of eastern Ukraine as well.
I would like to say that if this situation is resolved by political means, no weapons will be necessary, but it does require goodwill and a desire to enter into direct dialogue, and we will assist in this. What we cannot do and would never agree to is for someone somewhere, anywhere, to proceed from a position of force, first using the police (they call it militia there), then special services, and then the armed forces....es würden sich keine waffen mehr finden lassen wenn der politische weg klappt .
Before the army units and the so-called battalions – armed nationalist units – appeared on those territories, there were no weapons there; and there still would have been none had they tried to resolve the situation by peaceful means right from the start. Weapons appeared there only after they started killing people using tanks, artillery, multiple launch rocket systems and aviation. That gave rise to resistance. [b/]Once an attempt is made to resolve the issue by political means, the weapons will be gone.
ist natürlich hammer , die ukraine startet ne ATO gegen bestimmte terroristen alla girkin und die leute finden daraufhin MLRS systeme , artillerie ,etc
also praktisch hat die ukraine die waffen ins eigene land gebracht die gefunden wurden , sobald aber das problem gelöst ist werden sich keine waffen mehr finden lassen .
ziemliches putinisch hier
