http://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2014/05/08/oscar-trial-day-25-may-5-johan-and-carice-stander/Wiederum sehr lesenswert, es ist auffallend, wieviele wichtige Details, die uns entgehen aufgezeigt und gewertet werden.
Kleines Beispiel daraus:
"The only other thing that Stander asked Stipp that night was for his cell phone number. Stander says he did this in case the police needed it.
Nel then asks him about his call to Stipp later that night after he left the scene (the one that Stipp got around 4:30am). He wants to know why he made that call. Remember, per Stipp’s testimony, during this call he was informed that the Defense lawyer would be contacting him. Stander says he believed it was the right thing to do to inform Stipp that he had passed along his number.
Interestingly enough, he did not give Stipp’s number to the police; he gave it directly to advocate Oldwage. Within one hour of Reeva’s violent death, prior to Reeva’s mom even knowing she was dead, Mr. Stander was providing details and phone numbers to Oscar’s defense lawyer. Any question about whose side the Standers are on?"
Ebenfalls sehr interessant:
"Roux asks her if she had any discussions with Oscar. She says that while they were trying to stop the bleeding, she asked “Oscar, what happened.” He looked at her and said “I thought she was an intruder.” She didn’t ask anything else. They just continued trying to save Reeva’s life at that stage.
This makes no sense to me because Reeva was clearly dead at this point according to Stipp. Mr. Stander testified that when Stipp came outside, he told him it was a fatal head wound but also said that Stipp didn’t talk about the other injuries, nor did Stander ask. Now Carice is saying that Stipp only told her “it’s very bad.” Why are the Standers being so vague about Reeva’s injuries and the fact that she was dead?
At some point, the ambulance arrived and the paramedics came in. Carice said to Oscar, let’s step aside so they can work on her. They went in to the kitchen area. Carice did notice one of the neighbors peering in to the house. She believes it was Mike (Nghlengthwa). The paramedics were there and there was a lot of commotion and Mike was peering around the door. She looked at him and either gestured or said (I couldn’t tell which) to not come in. She didn’t want anybody else coming in. Roux asks her if Mike did anything else and she says this was all she could remember about him.
While the paramedics were working on Reeva, Oscar and Carice were in the kitchen. Oscar was asking the paramedics to do whatever they could to save her life. She says that the paramedics then came in to the kitchen to see if Oscar was ok and if they could phone anybody for him. Carice says they must have left after that.
For some strange reason, Carice still has not acknowledged in her testimony that Reeva was dead at this point. It just struck me as odd. She didn’t acknowledge that Stipp found her to be dead. And she didn’t acknowledge that the paramedics found her to be dead."
Und dann noch die Angelegenheit mit dem Entfernen des Handys und der Handtasche:
Carice says they took Reeva’s bag for “safe keeping” for Reeva’s Mom. I’m quite positive the police were capable of doing that. I’m literally sitting here with my jaw on the floor listening to all of this. Not only was "Oscar’s phone STOLEN from the scene that morning, now we find out that Reeva’s handbag was also STOLEN from the scene. Both were stolen by OSCAR’S PEOPLE. Innocent people do not need to remove evidence from a crime scene. If anything, they want it left there to help them prove that they are innocent. These were not innocent, well-meaning acts. Aimee and Carice were very negligent for what they did, and Carice should know better considering she is a lawyer!"
