Fedaykin schrieb:Wie ich schon sagte werden die VTler enttäuscht sein und auf die lezten Akten verweisen die noch nicht freigeben wurden.
die Frage ist zunächst mal wieviel sich VTler erhoffen- jemand hat mal gesagt dass wir uns bewusst machen sollten was wir schon an Dokumenten haben, wie viele Dokumente in den letzten 25 Jahren schon veröffentlicht worden sind- was ja nicht nur wichtiges Quellenmaterial für Hard-Core- VTler. sondern auch für Historiker war, die Forschungen zur Präsidentschaft JFks betrieben. Ergebnis sind z.B. einige sehr aufschlussreiche Monografie von Historikern zur Vietnampolitik KennedysLibertin schrieb:Da Trump nach eigener Aussage ja "keine Wahl" habe und die Freigabe Hunderter Akten nach wie vor blockert wird düfte das der Verschwörungs-Communitiy nochmal ordentlich Zündstoff geben.
This one is a one-pager whose title is [RESTRICTED], and whose subjects are MICHAEL MCCLANEY and [RESTRICTED]. Many of you may know that McClaney was the owner of the land in Louisiana where an anti-Castro training camp was raided in the summer of 1963.Steuerdokumente von Oswald, Ruth und Michael Paine und Reilly, einer Firma bei der Oswald kurz angestellt war
Vielleicht muss ja noch schnell was vernichtet werden.Foxyterry schrieb:Die CIA hatte 25 Jahre Zeit, sich auf den Tag vorzubereiten. Und dann kommen die in der letzten Minute an und melden Bedenken.
"Offiziell" soll es sich zum Teil nicht um Dokumente aus den 1960ern, sondern um solche drehen die mit den offiziellen Untersuchungen/Kommittees wie dem ARRB zu tun haben, das von 1994 - 1998 aktiv war.Ayashi schrieb:Ich frage mich warum überhaupt Dokumente zurück gehalten werden. Um Personenschutz vor feindlichen Spionen kann es ja in diesem Fall nicht mehr gehen. Was gibt es da zu verbergen was die Öffentlichkeit nicht wissen sollte?
Libertin schrieb (Beitrag gelöscht):Wenn ein größeres Komplott dahinter stecken sollte und Oswald kein Einzeltäter war würde ich da doch eher auf Mafiaorganisationen, Kuba (Exilkubaner) oder auch die Sowjets tippen da es hier zumindest ein plausibles Motiv geben würde JFK und damit auch seine politischen Ziele aus dem Weg zu räumen.- Oswalds Leben zeigt so gut wie keine Mafiaverbindungen, sondern Verbindungen zu den US-Geheimdiensten
Warum sollte was vernichtet werden. In dem Fall würde man einfach nicht alles ausgeben. Ich denke da hat man einfach die Überprüfung nicht abgeschlossen weil man nicht davon ausging das Trump sein okay gibt.Suheila schrieb:Vielleicht muss ja noch schnell was vernichtet werden.
CIA Statement:
We welcome the President’s directive to conduct further review of the records in the JFK Assassination Records Collection to identify any additional information that can be released, while still protecting our officers, partners, sources, and methods.
CIA has been working diligently to release to the public as much CIA information as possible from the collection. Pursuant to the JFK Assassination Records Act of 1992, more than 87,000 CIA records were identified as falling within the scope of the collection. Of those, CIA has already released more than 69,000 records to the public in full, without redaction.
Every single one of the approximately 18,000 remaining CIA records in the collection will ultimately be released, with no document withheld in full. While some of these 18,000 records currently contain targeted redactions, the information redacted represents less than one percent of the total CIA information in the collection.
CIA’s current redactions were undertaken with the intent to protect information in the collection whose disclosure would harm national security — including the names of CIA assets and current and former CIA officers, as well as specific intelligence methods and partnerships that remain viable to protecting the nation today.
DASS Akten "verschwunden" sind kann nicht mehr angezweifelt werden:
Zu den merkwürdigsten Begebenheiten gehörte der Anruf bei der britischen Zeitung „Cambridge News“ am Tag des Attentats. Bis heute weiß niemand, wer der Anrufer war – und die derzeitigen Journalisten des Blattes erfuhren wie der Rest der Welt erst jetzt von der Angelegenheit. „Da fällt einem die Kinnlade runter“, sagte Anna Savva, eine Reporterin bei „Cambridge News“, der BBC am Freitag. 25 Minuten vor dem Mord hatte der anonyme Anrufer einen Reporter angerufen und ihm gesagt, er solle die US-Botschaft anrufen, es gebe große Nachrichten. Anschließend legte der Anrufer auf.http://www.tagesspiegel.de/weltspiegel/akten-zum-mord-an-john-f-kennedy-ein-schatzkasten-fuer-verschwoerungstheorien/20515366.html
Two days after the assassination of John F. Kennedy a long-distance telephone operator in Mexico City monitored an international phone call. She heard one of the voices saying: "The Castro plan is being carried out. Bobby is next." The telephone numbers were traced. One number belonged to Emilio Nunez Portuondo, the Latin American Affairs editor of Willoughby's Foreign Intelligence Digest.http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKwilloughbyC.htm
David Talbot wrote on Facebook today:
The Day After. One day after the CIA blocked the full release of JFK documents, in defiance of the law, it's more clear than ever who's running the Trump administration. Your lawful right as an American citizen to your own history has been "denied in full," to use the bureaucratic language of the spy agency that tells the president of the United States what he can and cannot do. Trump's tweeted explanation for why he caved to CIA pressure said it all: "I have no choice — today — but to accept those redactions rather than allow potentially irreversible harm to our nation’s security.” Wow...."I HAVE NO CHOICE." Ponder that one for a moment. The president of the United States has no choice when the CIA makes its will known to him.
Trump still insists that after six months -- or maybe another 25 years -- the American people will be granted full "transparency." But Roger Stone (pictured immediately below), the Trump advisor who's been courageously pushing for full release of the Kennedy records, has been around the block in Washington too long to have much faith in this:
“If the data dump that the National Archives did in July of a small amount of JFK-related material is any indication, the fallback of the intelligence agencies appears to be redact and withhold as much of this information as possible,” Stone stated yesterday. “They’ll use the broad rubric of national security. If the censorship is so great to make the president’s order meaningless, it’ll get litigated in the courts.”
When it came to this defining moment in American history -- over whether we are a closed or open society -- it was the CIA's authoritarian director Mike Pompeo (pictured below), not Stone, who prevailed in the Oval Office.
What exactly is the CIA still hiding by blocking the full release of these papers? Here's a partial list:
1. The travel records of key CIA suspects in the the Kennedy assassination, including William Harvey, Howard Hunt and David Morales. Were they in Dallas shortly before or on Nov. 22, 1963, as evidence suggests?
2. Did Allen Dulles -- the embittered former CIA director fired by JFK -- go to the top-secret CIA facility in northern Virginia known as "The Farm on Nov. 22, 1963, as his own calendar indicates? Why was he there -- despite having been pushed out of the CIA two years earlier? With whom did he meet and speak with on the phone?
3. A tape of the William Harvey interview conducted by the Church Committee behind closed doors on 4/10/75 -- long withheld by the CIA. By the mid-'70s, Harvey -- a Kennedy-hater who ran the CIA's assassination program -- suspected that he was being thrown to the wolves by the agency to which he'd devoted his life. He might very well have had some interesting things to say about his former colleagues.
4. A 338-page file on J. Walton Moore, the head of the CIA office in Dallas at the time of the assassination. Moore assigned George de Mohrenschildt -- a Russian speaking, globe-trotting oilman and CIA asset -- to babysit Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas. This file is certain to add to the overwhelming evidence that "the fingerprints of U.S. intelligence were all over Oswald," as Sen. Richard Schweiker of the Church Committee famously said.
5. An 18-page dossier on Gordon McClendon, a Dallas businessman who conferred with Jack Ruby just before he shot Oswald. McClendon was a CIA-connected media entrepreneur who ran a right-wing radio network in the Southwest. As Ruby was arrested, he shouted out for McClendon.
6. Withheld -- or destroyed: Oswald's "201" file compiled by the CIA's Office of Security, presided over by the ghostly James Jesus Angleton. According to Judge John Tunheim, former head of the Assassination Records Review Board, "I have no doubt Angleton destroyed (JFK) files," when he took control of the CIA's internal investigation of the assassination.
Despite any agency purging and tampering that has occurred over the years, don't believe the "experts" who are telling us there's nothing in these JFK files of any significance. There's a reason that the CIA is still hiding this material...because it points directly at the agency itself in the killing of President John F. Kennedy and the coverup.
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