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@Chavez

Schwer zu sagen Möglich. Gibt das den Bezirk der Transportkompanie an?

Fedaykin schrieb:Hier erkennt man das Russiche Militärkennzeichen

Deutlischer Unterschied zum Ukrainischen

falls die Richtung Ukraine fahren, hoffe ich, dass sie schnell Ordnung schaffen. Seit Monaten dieser "Bandenkrieg" und keiner schafft es dort eine vernünftige Rechtsordnung zu schaffen. Dilettanten.

Nein, wenn sie in Richtung Ukraine fahren besteht der Verdacht das die Sepas die Panzer übernehmen. Russland hat den T64 eigentlich eingelagert und nicht mehr in aktiven Verbänden.

@Fedaykin
was heißt da nein. Das vermutest du jetzt auch nur wieder

Fedaykin schrieb:Es ist dir Freigestellt das ganze Video zu untersuchen. Nur mal so, die Straßen sehen auch nicht nach Ukraine aus.

Vergleiche einfach nur das erste Bild mit den anderen Nummernschildern im Video:
keins davon war lesbar oder überhaupt als Nummernschild erkennbar.

kurvenkrieger schrieb:Bei ner derart verpixelten Aufnahme paßt das Bild einfach nich zum Rest.

@Fedaykin
Entschuldigung hat mir jetzt erst die mühe gemacht und deinen Beitrag mit dem Video angeschaut

Fedaykin schrieb:Bilder eines Konvois aus Russland

interessant dabei er Transportiert wohl T 64 Panzer. In Russland außer Dienst

wocher weis du das`?
laut Wiki
Russland Russland – 100 T-64BW im aktiven Dienst sowie weitere 4.200 T-64A, T-64B und T-64BW in Reserve.
Wikipedia: T-64

Fedaykin schrieb:Schwer zu sagen Möglich. Gibt das den Bezirk der Transportkompanie an?

nein es ist die Region in diesem Fall Region Chabarowsk
das ist dort
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@Fedaykin

Gibt noch mehr:

A satellite photograph taken on Wednesday that NATO officials said shows 10 Russian tanks in a staging area on the Russian side of the border with Ukraine. At bottom left, the officials said, are three tanks loaded onto heavy equipment transporters, the primary method of moving tanks over road networks.

DONETSK, Ukraine — The State Department said Friday that Russia had sent tanks and other heavy weapons to separatists in Ukraine, supporting accusations Thursday by the Ukrainian government.

A convoy of three T-64 tanks, several BM-21 multiple rocket launchers and other military vehicles crossed the border near the Ukrainian town of Snizhne, State Department officials said. The Ukrainian Army reported Friday that it had destroyed two of the tanks and several other vehicles in the convoy.

“This is unacceptable,” said Marie Harf, the deputy State Department spokeswoman. “A failure by Russia to de-escalate this situation will lead to additional costs.”

Overnight Friday, separatists using antiaircraft and heavy machine guns fired on a military transport plane as it was landing in Luhansk, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry said. It did not give details of casualties, but offered condolences to family members of the victims. News reports said the plane was carrying as many as 49 military personnel.

Earlier, a Western official said that intelligence about the movement of the tanks and other weapons into Ukraine was shared on Friday with NATO allies. Secretary of State John Kerry complained this week about the flow of Russian arms to separatists in Ukraine in a phone call to Sergey V. Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister.

The spokesman for President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, Dmitry S. Peskov, said Friday that a Ukrainian armored personnel carrier had crossed into Russia for unclear reasons and was abandoned there. The Russian state news agency reported that the Russian border service said the occupants had then fled back to Ukraine

At the meeting of the Group of 7 nations last week, President Obama warned Mr. Putin that the West would impose “additional costs” on Russia if its provocations were to continue.

The T-64 is an obsolescent tank no longer in active use by Russian forces, but still stored in southwest Russia.

“Russia will claim these tanks were taken from Ukrainian forces, but no Ukrainian tank units have been operating in that area,” the State Department said Friday. “We are confident that these tanks came from Russia.”

“We also have information that Russia has accumulated multiple rocket launchers at this same deployment site in southwest Russia, and these rocket launchers also recently departed,” the State Department added. “Internet video has shown what we believe to be these same rocket launchers traveling through Luhansk.”

Even before the State Department’s statement, Ukraine was having one of its better days Friday in eastern Ukraine, with government forces winning control of the port of Mariupol, the second-largest city in the separatist region of Donetsk.

The Ukrainian assault in Mariupol left five pro-Russian militants dead and four Ukrainian soldiers wounded, and ended with the hoisting of a Ukrainian flag at City Hall as the military routed the last separatists from the city’s administration buildings.

In Friday’s confrontation, videos posted online showed Ukrainian soldiers standing over captives who were lying face down with hands clenched behind their heads. The videos also showed soldiers displaying trophies of the battle — captured orange-and-black ribbons and shoulder patches of a pro-Russian group, the Russian Orthodox Army — and speaking with prisoners freed from the occupied buildings.

In that pro-Ukrainian forces — volunteer patrols of factory workers, a Ukrainian nationalist battalion called Azov and the Ukrainian military — had controlled most of Mariupol for weeks, the action was as much a propaganda victory as a military one.

In fighting near Slovyansk, a Grad ground-to-ground rocket of the sort said to be in the weapons convoy from Russia killed one person and wounded several others. Residents said the rocket went off course and hit a vegetable market in the village of Dobroyepole.

Over the long term, Ukraine, with its far larger though badly equipped and poorly trained army, has more forces, and it is unclear how long the separatists can hold out without more support from Russia. That is something Moscow cannot offer openly without risking more severe Western sanctions.

The result is misdirection and sleight of hand, and a conflict of endless puzzles and mind games.

The daytime journey of the three tanks through eastern Ukraine, which was filmed in multiple videos and witnessed by Western reporters, could not have been more obvious, and yet the convoy was too small to serve a military purpose. Was it a warning?

A rebel leader, Denis Pushilin, told Russian state TV on Friday that the separatists had tanks but that it was “improper to ask” where they got them.

Russia ratcheted up the economic pressure on Ukraine on Friday in their dispute over natural gas supplies and prices. The state-run energy giant Gazprom said Kiev had to pay its debts for previous deliveries before further negotiations over gas prices.

Andrew E. Kramer reported from Donetsk, and Michael R. Gordon from Washington.

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Quelle: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/world/europe/ukraine-claims-full-control-of-port-city-of-mariupol.html

@Fedaykin

Dachte mir eben, die Amis müssten da doch Bilder von haben, sieht so aus als ob sie die haben, sind sicher wieder Fälschungen.

Fedaykin schrieb:Russland hat den T64 eigentlich eingelagert und nicht mehr in aktiven Verbänden.

Werden die Dinger nich modernisiert?

Russland – 100 T-64BW im aktiven Dienst sowie weitere 4.200 T-64A, T-64B und T-64BW in Reserve.
Ukraine – 2250 T-64A, T-64B und T-64BW. Werden zum Teil auf den Stand des T-64BM und T-64U nachgerüstet.

Wikipedia: T-64

@rockandroll

rockandroll schrieb:falls die Richtung Ukraine fahren, hoffe ich, dass sie schnell Ordnung schaffen. Seit Monaten dieser "Bandenkrieg" und keiner schafft es dort eine vernünftige Rechtsordnung zu schaffen. Dilettanten.

Russland wird nie eingreifen ... der Grund siehe Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_XSufXXlFU

@Fedaykin

A convoy of three T-64 tanks, several BM-21 multiple rocket launchers and other military vehicles crossed the border near the Ukrainian town of Snizhne, State Department officials said. The Ukrainian Army reported Friday that it had destroyed two of the tanks and several other vehicles in the convoy.

Interessant. Bei Snizhne und die Aufnahme ist vom 11. Juni 2014.

@ichweis
Das Game will ich haben! :D
Wasn Propagandaflick...

ichweis schrieb:Russland wird nie eingreifen ... der Grund siehe Video:

jaja, schon klar. Genau wie alle anderen nie eingreifen würden, es aber inoffiziell nur so vor potenziellen ausländischen Nutznießern nur so wimmeln soll :)

@nocheinPoet

Musst aber gute Augen haben um da einen T-64 zu erkennen.

@Fedaykin

Quelle: http://www.planetputin.com/category/annexation/

Da sind reichlich Bilder zu den Panzern

Es ist doch allgemein bekannt, dass die NODs T-64 haben, was soll denn daran jetzt so interessant sein.

@Egalite irgendwie fühle ich mich veralbert, hunderte Bilder und Videos und plötzlich soll es eine neue Erkenntnis sein....

nocheinPoet schrieb:10 Russian tanks in a staging area on the Russian side of the border

Eilmeldung:
auf der Russischen Seite der Grenze zur Ukraine leben Russen, wirklich!

*gähn*

@Chavez
Hi...
Keine Sorge wegen dem Bild is eh ne Fälschung!
Sieht man bei Vergösserung..
Die Nummer soll sein 1652 dann ob rechts glaub 31 od 21
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Man sieht das Teile des Schildes unkenntlich gemacht wurden...soweit ichs sehe in meinem Prog.
Wie üblich von da kommt nur noch Propaganda.. ;)

@Fedaykin

Der Start der Rakete im Infrarotsatellit:

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