Der Prozess Oscar Pistorius und der Tod von Reeva Steenkamp

@Dusk

na ja, die Leute, die sowas herausfinden, beschäftigen sich aber auch den ganzen Tag damit.
http://www.laborundmore.de/archive/125937/Blutspurenuntersuchungen-zur-Rekonstruktion-des-Tathergangs.html

Auch wenn das jetzt etwas unpassend und weit hergeholt und ausserdem off topic ist, kennst Du zufälllig die Serie Dexter? Der ist auch Experte für Blutspuren. Und ab und zu wird er auch mal bei der Arbeit gezeigt, für die er bezahlt wird ;)
Er testet verschiedene Möglichkeiten.

@Luminarah

Luminarah schrieb:Für diese Blutspritzeranalysen gibt es Fachleute.
Wurde da mal ein Bericht veröffentlicht?

Van der Nest hiess der glaube ich, aber der war nur kurz und schmerzlos unterwegs
so als wärs halt nicht so von Bedeutung
ich persönlich fand das nicht sehr überzeugend, den Auftritt von dem Experten
@Nanush

Nanush schrieb:Der ist eine tickende Zeitpunkt mit dem Waffenwahnsinn in Kombination mit seiner unkontrollierten Wut.

Sieht ganz danach aus....

@Rabenfeder
ja, leider hat Nel den einfach durchgewunken

@schokoleckerli
Klar, zufällig kenne ich die Serie, aber danke, dass du mir erklärst, dass es Experten gibt und was die vermutlich tun :D

Ich darf es aber trotzdem aus den besagten Gründen nicht 100%ig befriedigend finden und eine Augenbraue heben, ja? ;)

@FadingScreams

FadingScreams schrieb:@Rabenfeder
ja, leider hat Nel den einfach durchgewunken

Hat Roux bestimmt gefreut oder was meinst du...

@FadingScreams

Als einfach durchgewunken empfand ich den nicht. Das war der Experte der Anklage, aber wo man nichts holen kann, kann auch Nel nichts reißen. Und wenn der Experte der Staatsanwaltschaft sagt, daß die Blutspuren OP's Version nicht widersprechen... was soll er da machen ? Allerdings hätte er ein paar Fragen mehr stellen können, das sehe ich auch so.

@Rabenfeder
das weiß ich nicht ;-)
ich hätte mir viel mehr antworten gewünscht, ganz ehrlich..

@Dusk
ich werde mich hüten, hier irgendwem Vorschriften zu machen ;) :) Ist auch nicht mein Stil.

Ich wollte nur sagen, dass manche Dinge Hand und Fuss haben - für die Fachleute. Nicht für uns, weil wir dieses Wissen nicht haben.

@Photographer73
hat Nel den Blutexperten überhaupt gefragt, ob sämtliches gefundenes blut oder blutspritzer von Reeva stammten?

Photographer73 schrieb:t, daß die Blutspuren OP's Version nicht widersprechen

Aber dass ist ja der zentrale Punkt. Also bringt diese Analyse nicht weiter. Sie widerlegt jedenfalls die Pistorius Version nicht.

Lässt natürlich auch für andere Szenarien Raum.

Klar ,dass Nel den durchgewunken hat.

@FadingScreams

Das weiß ich nicht mehr genau, da müßte ich mir die Aussage nochmal anhören. Aber ich will ja mal hoffen, daß sie das getestet haben. Hätte es irgendwo im Haus Blut von OP gegeben, wäre das natürlich interessant gewesen. Aber dann hätte er ja auch Wunden haben müssen, und ich gehe mal davon aus, daß die das gecheckt haben.

@FadingScreams
@Photographer73
@Luminarah
naja nicht alles was erstmal nicht gegen OPs Version ist, muss letztlich dann auch dafür sprechen
aber dieser Experte war sehr dürr in seinen Aussagen und auch die Fragen waren es
kein Vergleich zu den berühmten Fernsehserien jedenfalls...
wo die eine derartige Technik auffahren

Gute Nacht ...möglichst geräuschlos^^

@Rabenfeder
wenn ich schreibe, dass ich mir mehr antworten gewünscht habe, dann nehme ich jede antwort die der aufklärung dient - egal in welche richtung - leider fehlten mmn die fragen. jedenfalls hätte Nel da mehr rausholen müssen um seine anklage zu stützen - nicht zuletzt eindeutige fragen zu dem blut im schlafzimmer..

@FadingScreams

FadingScreams schrieb:jedenfalls hätte Nel da mehr rausholen müssen um seine anklage zu stützen.

Die haben kein Geld in SA ...deswegen brauchen die auch die Kaution
vor allem dann wenn sie später weg ist...bzw. nicht zurückgezahlt werden muss..
also in der Staatskasse bleibt...

bis morgen...

Was haben wir ab nächster Woche von Verteidigerseite zu erwarten?

"Defence advocate Barry Roux has told several state witnesses that he will call an expert witness to testify that the athlete’s screams sound like a woman when he is anxious."

"A psychologist is also expected to be called to deal with Pistorius's issues of vulnerability."


http://ewn.co.za/2014/05/02/Expert-testimony-to-lead-Pistorius-trial (Archiv-Version vom 05.05.2014)

@KlaraFall

KlaraFall schrieb:"A psychologist is also expected to be called to deal with Pistorius's issues of vulnerability."

Na bitte !
Da kann ich ja beruhigt schlafen..

Rabenfeder schrieb:Die haben kein Geld in SA ...deswegen brauchen die auch die Kaution
vor allem dann wenn sie später weg ist...bzw. nicht zurückgezahlt werden muss..

Das ist jetzt nicht Dein Ernst, oder ?

@Rabenfeder

Dafür gibt es dann OPs Aussagen dazu in seiner eigenen Autobiographie.

@Photographer73

Photographer73 schrieb:Das ist jetzt nicht Dein Ernst, oder ?

Man wird ja mal n Scherz machen dürfen...
so viel kostet Freiheit nun mal..

@KlaraFall

KlaraFall schrieb:Dafür gibt es dann OPs Aussagen dazu in seiner eigenen Autobiographie.

Vorbildhaft und wegweisend...

Hieran wird die Verteidigung zu arbeiten haben:

Anyone who still believes OP is innocent has to believe that the following scenario is credible:

Reeva happily goes to bed having packed all her clothes neatly away in her bag, including her underwear and the top she was wearing, while leaving her jeans inside out at the bottom of the bed

OP wakes in the night and immediately puts his hands over his face. He takes them off long enough to glance over and notice Reeva's legs under the duvets. He then puts his hands back over his face to get out of bed - pushing aside a duvet that is not actually on him

He walks around to Reeva's side of the bed without either looking at her or telling her what he's doing. She doesn't ask, either

Once his back is completely turned, Reeva silently scrambles across to his side of the bed and walks totally noiselessly and in the pitch black to the toilet

Never once facing the bed, OP brings both fans in and positions them at the end of the bed. How he did that with his back to the bed the entire time, I am unable to fathom. He either stood with his back to the bed, and put the fans in front of him and then walked around them, or positioned them with his arms behind him

In spite of the pitch black room he notices jeans on the floor. He is bothered by a small LED light enough to want to cover them with said jeans - but not bothered by the lit up LED display, the light on the TV or the lights on the light switches

He hears a terrifying sound from the bathroom and is frozen with fear. At no point does it cross his mind that it may have been the person sharing the bedroom and bathroom with him making the noise - nope, he's so convinced it can't be her, he doesn't even bother to turn his head and glance in her direction

He doesn't seek to clarify what he's heard with his awake girlfriend who is feet away from him. He doesn't wonder if she heard it too and is scared

He feels particularly vulnerable because he's on his stumps, but doesn't take a few seconds to put on the legs that are, actually, right next to him

He stops being frozen with fear and heads for his gun, making his way around the fans that he has just positioned in front of the bed. He holds into the bed for balance, and says not a word to the person who is in it regarding the fact that he believes that there are intruders in the next room and he needs to arm himself

He reaches under the bed for the gun careful not to glance across at the person he believes is in it

He stands up, faces the passage and whispers/ speaks quietly to Reeva telling her to get down and call the police without actually telling her why. He is not surprised that she doesn't ask or that she doesn't bother to get out of bed and get down as instructed

He makes his way in terror to the bathroom - ignoring the door that he and Reeva could have escaped through and the panic alarm that would have brought immediate help

He's so desperate to put himself between the intruders and Reeva that he doesn't actually check where Reeva is

He is too scared to put the light on but not too scared to start screaming as soon as he starts walking down the passage

He is walking slowly and quietly down the passage, screaming

Reeva hears the screaming but is too scared of the intruder to respond and give away her position, so she slams the door

OP screams at Reeva to call the police. She fails to do this even though she has her phone with her

OP gets to the bathroom doorway, and stops screaming so that the intruders won't know where he is

When he sees that there's no one in the bathroom, he starts screaming again

Reeva stands facing the door making no effort to speak to her screaming boyfriend who is now standing right outside the toilet door. She doesn't wonder if he wants to come into the toilet and hide with her, she selfishly hides behind the silently locking door and says nothing

Somehow she steps backwards to knock the magazine rack on the other side of the toilet before immediately stepping forward again to the position she was in when she was shot

OP has many thoughts running though his head - a story about a neighbour being tied up in his house, the crime rate in SA, the builder leaving a ladder outside his house, the folly of shooting a warning shot into the shower in case it ricochets and hits him, but a noise from the toilet has all thoughts disappearing from his mind like a fart in the wind and he shoots once, moves position and shoots three more times without actually meaning to....all the while screaming

He stands screaming for a bit, then walks backwards out of the bathroom screaming

He gets to the bedroom, screaming, and is a trifle surprised to see that Reeva is not sitting in bed after hearing four gunshots from the en suite bathroom

He heads across the bed backwards,keeping his eyes on the passage....she's not there. He walks along the gap between the bed and the curtains, she's not there. She's not behind the curtains either.

Gasp. Was that Reeva in the toilet? He doesn't even bother checking to see whether she's run out of the bedroom - that would be a ridiculous thing to do given that the shooting was in the bathroom, so he sees no sense in even checking (yes, he actually said that)

He runs with his gun back to the bathroom and tries to pull open the door - he's still scared it may be an intruder, and hopeful it's not Reeva, but he doesn't bother checking to see if there's a ladder outside the window

He runs back to the bedroom, parts the curtains and shouts for help from the balcony....holding a cocked gun in his hand because he's still scared

He puts down his gun, sits on the bed, looks for his socks, puts on his legs then picks up his gun again to run to the bathroom - all in the pitch black because he tells us he never opened the curtains or put on the light

Kicking the door doesn't work, so he runs back for his bat. He then runs back to the bathroom with a cocked gun in one hand and a cricket bat in the other

Oh, I almost forgot - throughout all of this he is screaming like a woman, except when he goes onto the balcony to shout for help in a man's voice

All of the above takes him 15 minutes

Back in the bathroom, he puts down the gun and hits the door three times with enough ferocity that six people think they are gunshots. Four of those people had slept through the real gunshots 15 minutes earlier - seemingly not bothered by a sound 1000 times louder than the sound that they are hearing now

Once he breaks down the door and sees Reeva bloody and not breathing, he is as silent as a monk. No more screaming - he is too "sad" to scream anymore

In spite of screaming at Reeva to call the police three times, it doesn't occur to him to do the same himself now

He sits sobbing over her, then pulls her against him, feeling her blood run on to him - although it only manages to stain his shorts and forearms

He is so distraught by Reeva's condition, that getting medical help for her is not his first thought....calling a friend is

He psychically knows that Netcare will tell him to get Reeva to hospital himself so he calls Stander to help him lift her so he can do this

He then calls Netcare to be given the worst medical advice of all time - to take a woman who has been shot three times, once in the head, to hospital himself

He calls Security for help, then sobs down the phone to them. When they call him back, he forgets to ask for help and tells them he is fine

He runs downstairs, careful to switch off the alarm first and opens the door, crying

Coming back upstairs he smashes his way through the bedroom double doors before simply unlatching them

He carries Reeva through the bedroom, leaving a dissected line of blood that is half on carpet and half on the duvet on the bed - which the police can handily line up later making it look like the duvet was on the floor all along and that OP is one enormous great big fat liar

I could go on, but my dinner is ready.

I am starting to think that anyone who truly believes this man is innocent is slightly divorced from reality. It's the biggest load of bullcrap I have ever, ever heard. Seriously.


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