Der Prozess Oscar Pistorius und der Tod von Reeva Steenkamp

Rabenfeder schrieb:Oscar Pistorius (kennt ihr den?)

Rabenfeder schrieb:....glänzendes Plädoyer....

Another high profile case for Gerrie Nel

Murder accused Nico Henning appeared briefly in the District Court in Pretoria on Tuesday.

The case was postponed to November 13 for the completion of further investigations.

Prosecutor Gerrie Nel says they have agreed on a postponement and are confident that they will be able to proceed with the matter on that date.

He says Henning will appear again in court in the interim before the set date, specifically for a matter regarding his bail conditions.

Henning is to face trial for the murder of his estranged wife, Chanelle Henning.

The 26-year-old was shot dead shortly after dropping off their child at a creche in Faerie Glen, Pretoria, in November 2011.

Nico Henning's friend, 49-year old Andre Gouws, and former Nigerian athlete Ambrose Monye have both been sentenced to life in prison, while two other men, Gerhardus du Plessis and Willem Pieterse, are serving 18-year prison terms after confessing to their roles in the killing.

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Interested schrieb:@Rabenfeder
Danke! Wie Du siehst, habe ich mir größte Mühe und Sorgfalt gegeben, um es so schön auszuformulieren, dass auch niemand, wirklich niemand mehr Zweifel haben kann. :D

South Africa: No Way Oscar CAN be Compared to Abused Woman

By Colleen Lowe Morna

Johannesburg, 9 August: It's a cold women's month in South Africa and I am finding little to celebrate. Instead of reflecting on how far we have come with emancipating half of South Africa's people twenty years into our new democracy the news is hogged by closing arguments on fallen paralympian sports hero Oscar Pistorius' shooting of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on Valentine's Day eighteen months ago....

http://allafrica.com/stories/201408113344.html

KlaraFall schrieb:Justizskandal, dass sie wieder frei rumläuft.
Konnte deswegen nicht einschlafen.
Eine Gefahr für die Gesellschaft. ;-)

Rabenfeder schrieb:Vielen Dank für den Freispruch, das nächste Mal benutze ich einen Schalldämpfer, dann schlafen die Nachbarn besser...

291. If the second sounds were the gunshots, there was in any event not
enough time for the actions listed below, between the shots and making
the call to Johan Stander at 03:19:03 as we will demonstrate hereunder.

295. We will demonstrate below that, on the acceptable facts, the following
actions could never fit into a the 1 minute, 45 seconds time frame.

... that time, it was maybe a couple of minutes after the incident ...

Oscar Pistorius Trial: Tuesday 15 April 2014, Session 1

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OK, here's the short summaries from BBC and brief responses in italics..interesting two of them invoke Pistorius "interchangeable manner of speaking". We did notice that.

1. Oscar Pistorius lied about never having heard the term "zombie stopper," according to Gerrie Nel. But Barry Roux said the phrase had so little relevance to the case that it should have come as no surprise that the athlete forgot he used it once in the past.

Question was not 'have you used it', it was 'have you heard of the term [at all]?'

It came about 3 exchanges after:
GN: You live by christian principles. you will tell the truth and not hide things from this court, etc.
OP: "I will try to tell the truth"


So the response doesn't deal with GN allegation, that it is 'inconceivable' he would not be aware of a word that is clearly in his vocabulary.

2. Did Mr Pistorius go "to" the balcony or "onto" the balcony? Mr Nel claimed the sportsman had given conflicting accounts of this, but Mr Roux says Mr Pistorius' use of "onto" in his testimony was "merely erroneous and due to his manner of speaking".

As above: There is no ambiguity in the bail affidavit, or Roux's questioning at that time

3. Mr Nel raised doubts over the athlete's recollection of two fans in his bedroom, but Mr Roux countered that there were more doubts over the "mysterious loss" of an extension cord. That cord would have explained Mr Pistorius' version of events, Mr Roux says.

I don't understand the response. It was established the cord went missing at a later date.

4. The athlete claimed police had tampered with the fans but the defence failed to raise this with police, Mr Nel said on Thursday. But Mr Roux said this failure was due to the state not calling Hilton Botha, the former lead detective in the inquiry, and allowing the defence to cross-examine him.

Botha is not the reason. Van Renberg was there being question on his eye witness recollections. The same for Van Staden. Why would defence ask Van Staden about millimetres for cricket bat - but avoid major aspects of OP's "disturbance case" in the bedroom area? In addition: OP's "disturbance" case doesn't work because of the blood trail. If that was always his version, it was always false. Finally, why did Roux in conversation with OP himself looking at the very photographs not raise the issues then?

5. Mr Nel also raised questions over the location of the duvet, but Mr Roux says once again that the failure to call Mr Botha meant that the defence were unable to pursue Mr Pistorius' claims of police tampering.

As above. Blood trail.

6. Mr Roux again counters the prosecutor's attack on Mr Pistorius' evidence by claiming that Mr Nel himself ignored a clear admission from police crime scene photographer Bennie Van Staden that a bathroom mat "could have been shifted whilst I was trampling upon it". This, Mr Roux says, shows tampering occurred.

This was in response to the point reiterated, about the blood spatter. Defence has never been able to shift that one.

7. Mr Nel said Mr Pistorius' testimony about the position of the duvet led him to contradict himself about when he last saw Ms Steenkamp. But Mr Roux insists there were no contradictions and blames the confusion over Mr Botha's absence once again. "The failure by the State to call Hilton Botha has resulted in the unexplained scenario," Mr Roux says.

It doesn't address the blood spatter as ever

8. The prosecutor creates confusion, "perhaps purposefully so," Mr Roux says, over what Mr Pistorius could and couldn't have seen but the defence lawyer says that there is no contradiction in the evidence.

This is in relation to 'pitch dark' or 'illuminated'. OP previously said he had head in hands and couldn't see RS. His back was turned. Then that he remembers seeing the duvet (so it was light due to balcony doors still open) - to explain that yes it was on the bed. But only in silhouette. So he could just make out her legs "under the duvet". He seems to have forgotten it was in fact light at that point.

9. Was Mr Pistorius bothered by a blue LED light on an amplifier near his bed? Mr Nel said the athlete made this up to explain how Ms Steenkamp got to the bathroom without being seen by him, but Mr Roux says there are no doubts in the testimony.

Hmm. The self-same "single" pinprick of light which always bothered him when sleeping? But which, when blue, means the rest of the amp display lights are on? And the faint red TV button light as well. OP talked a fair bit about that single pinprick. No doubts? And he wanted to place a pair of jeans over it??? Instead of press the off button. Nel calls this "so improbable it cannot reasonably possibly be true". Well, it's certainly odd. Nel says it is to "have his back turned". Roux doesn't address the charge.

10. Mr Nel said it was impossible that Ms Steenkamp's jeans, which Mr Pistorius says he was holding, would have ended up on top of the duvet on the floor if the duvet was not already on the floor. But Mr Roux says the evidence heard by the court was inconclusive about the position of the jeans.

I was fairly persauded by the photographs. But i'm less persauded that the police did not disturb if it was a small amount like that. They did disturb things by small amounts. Pretty sure the court cannot make a finding about that.

11. Did Mr Pistorius have a conversation with his girlfriend that he forgot to include in his bail application? That was Mr Nel's contention and Mr Roux admits that "not every minute detail of the events as they unfolded" were included in that document.

It isn't a "minute" detail. Interestingly clumsy choice of words from Roux again there. It's a very significant detail. It's the last words she ever said to him.

12. Mr Nel accused the athlete of saying, at first, that he whispered to his girlfriend when he heard a noise, but then changed his evidence to having spoken to her in a "soft manner". But Mr Roux says this is "of no consequence" and is simply another example of Mr Pistorius' "interchangeable manner of speaking".

GN: If anyone would say you whispered they would be lying? OP: Yes.

13. Did Mr Pistorius deactivate the house alarm after shooting Ms Steenkamp? Mr Roux says Mr Nel's assertion fails to account for several possibilities, including that the alarm could have been deactivated by the athlete's girlfriend. He also points out that the area in which Mr Pistorius believed an intruder had entered was not covered by an alarm system.

The possibly of RS deactivating it is included among the possibility that they were already up and about. We do in fact know that RS at the very least was up at some point post 12am and downstairs so it was certainly deactivated at some point.

I don't remember it being for definite that the outside beacons were taken off around the bathroom. I thought this was unknown?!

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Snowballed?


http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=74208334&postcount=10870

Oscar Pistorius and his Tinker Bell defence

Clap hands if you believe in fairies! Health 24's CyberShrink, Professor Michael Simpson reflects on a lot of scientific hogwash presented during the Oscar Pistorius trial.


http://www.health24.com/Columnists/Oscar-Pistorius-and-the-Tinker-Bell-defence-20140811

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