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Die Foo-Fighters des zweiten Weltkrieges

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Die Foo-Fighters des zweiten Weltkrieges

16.08.2012 um 11:31
1. Einführung

Generell wird angenommen , dass die moderne Ufologie mit dem Jahr 1947 und Arnolds Sichtung begonnen hat. Nun war Arnold nicht der erste, der 1947 seltsame Objekte im Himmel beobachtete (Richard Dolan: Ufo s and the National Security State 2000 Bd 1 pg 16-17.) Und auch die Jahre davor, im zweiten Weltkrieg wurden Beobachtungen gemacht, die zumindest teilweise frappierende Ähnlichkeit mit späteren UFO Beobachtungen hatten. Das Phänomen wurde als Foo Fighters bekannt, eine abschliessende Klärung ist bis heute nicht mögich gewesen,

obwohl manche haben die Lösung schon parat:

http://www.theironskeptic.com/articles/foo/foo.htm

Aber ist es wirklich so einfach? Und wenn es eine Wunderwaffe der Deutschen war ,warum wurden dann gleichartige Beobachtungen im Pazifik gemacht? Gibt es überhaupt den Foo Fighter ,oder verbergen sich dahinter verschiedene Phänomene? Sind Vergleiche zu heutigen UFO Sichtungen überhaupt statthaft?

Diesen Fragen werde ich versuchen nachzugehen.
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2. Die ersten Berichte

Die folgenden Zeitungsartikel werden dem Phänomen zugeordnet, der Name Foo Fighter fällt darin nicht:

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Es muss zweifelhaft bleiben,ob diese Berichte dem Phänomen zugeordnet werden können , jedenfalls werden keine klassischen Foo Fighters beschrieben
Ein Bild,welches unbestritten Foo Fighter zeigt aus Kriegstagen existiert meines Wissens nicht:

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Bei diesem wohl bekanntentesten Bild dürfte es sich in erster Linie um explodierende Flak Geschosse handeln und nicht um Foo-Fighter. In Ermangelung eines geeigneten und verifizierbaren Bildes wird eine künstlerische Darstellung gezeigt:
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auf einen Teil der Bechreibungen passt dieses Bild gut, wie später zu sehen ist.



3. Die Foo Fighters werden beschrieben
Das erste Mal werden Foo Fighters in einem Artikel von Wilson beschrieben, der Piloten der Night Stalker interviewte , hier der Link zum Originalartikel
http://www.german-discs.net/articles/charlotte-observer_19450101_en.php


Der Begriff Foo Fighters geht auf einen Comic zurück, dessen Hauptperson der tolpatschige Feuerwehrmann Smokey Stover ist, dessen Lieblingsauspruch lautete where is foo there is fire
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Wahrscheinlich handelt es sich um ein Wortspiel (Pleonasmus) mit einem Slangword für Feuer (in Anlehnung an das französische Wort) und der normalen Bezeichnung , deutsch vielleicht wo Rauch ist ,ist Feuer.


Das Phänomen und der Begriff Foo Fighter wurde "public" durch einen Artikel von Jo Chamberlin im American Legion Magazine:

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http://www.presidentialufo.com/home/new-document-gallery/category/37-foo-fighters (Archiv-Version vom 19.05.2012)


Der Inhalt ist hier weiter wiedergegeben:


he Foo Fighter Mystery

Jo Chamberlin
The American Legion Magazine
December, 1945

DURING THE last months of the war the crews of many B-29s over Japan saw what they described as "balls of fire" which followed them, occasionally came up and almost sat on their tails, changed color from orange to red to white and back again, and yet never closed in to attack or crash, suicide-style.

One B-29 made evasive manoeuvres inside a cloud, but when the B-29 emerged from it, the ball of fire was following in the same relative position. It seemed 500 yards off, three feet in diameter, and had a phosphorescent orange glow. No wing or fuselage suggesting an aerial bomb or plane was seen. The ball of fire followed the B-29 for several miles and then disappeared just as mysteriously as it had appeared in the dawn light over Fujiyama. Some B-29 crews said they could readily lose the ball of fire by evasive manoeuvres, even though the ball kept up with them at top speed on a straight course; other B-29 crews reported just the opposite. Nobody could figure it out. Far to the south, a B-24 Liberator was at 11,000 feet over Truk lagoon, when two red lights rose rapidly from below, and followed the B-24. After an hour, one light turned back. The other kept on -- sometimes behind, sometimes alongside, sometimes ahead about 1,000 yards, until daybreak when it climbed to 15,000 feet and stayed in the sun, like a Jap fighter seeking game, but never came down. During the flight, the light changed from red to orange, then white, and back to orange, and appeared to be the size of a basketball. No wing or fuselage was observed. The B-24 radioed island radar stations to see if there were any enemy planes in the sky.

The answer was: "None."

A curious business, and one for which many solutions have been advanced, before the war was over, and since. None of them stand up. The important point is: No B-29 was harmed by the balls of fire, although what the future held, no one knew. The Japanese were desperately trying to bolster up their defence in every way possible against air attack, but without success. Our B-29s continued to rain destruction on Japanese military targets, and finally dropped the atomic bomb.

Naturally, U. S. Army authorities in Japan will endeavour to find the secret -- but it may be hidden as well as it appears to be in Europe. The balls of fire continue to be a mystery -- just as they were when first observed on the other side of the world -- over eastern Germany.

This is the way they began.

At ten o'clock of a November evening, in late 1944, Lt. Ed Schlueter took off in his night fighter from Dijon, France, on what he thought would be a routine mission for the 415th Night Fighter Squadron.

Lt. Schlueter is a tall, competent young pilot from Oshkosh, Wisconsin, whose hazardous job was to search the night sky for German planes and shoot them down. He had done just this several times and had been decorated for it. As one of our best night fighters, he was used to handling all sorts of emergencies. With him as radar observer was Lt. Donald J. Meiers, and Lt. Fred Ringwald, intelligence officer of the 415th, who flew as an observer.

The trio began their search pattern, roaming the night skies on either side of the Rhine River north of Strasbourg -- for centuries the abode of sirens, dwarfs, gnomes, and other supernatural characters that appealed strongly to the dramatic sense of the late A. Hitler. However, at this stage of the European war, the Rhine was no stage but a grim battleground, where the Germans were making their last great stand.

The night was reasonably clear, with some clouds and a quarter moon. There was fair visibility.

In some respects, a night fighter plane operates like a champion boxer whose eyesight isn't very good; he must rely on other senses to guide him to his opponent. The U. S. Army has ground radar stations, which track all planes across the sky, and tell the night fighter the whereabouts of any plane. The night fighter flies there, closes in by means of his own radar until usually he can see the enemy, and if the plane doesn't identify itself as friendly, he shoots it down.

Or, gets shot down himself, for the Germans operate their aircraft in much same way we did, and so did the Japanese.

Lt. Schlueter was flying low enough that he could detect the white steam of a blacked-out locomotive or the sinister bulk of a motor convoy, but he had to avoid smokestacks, barrage balloons, enemy searchlights, and flak batteries. He and Ringwald were on the alert, for there were mountains nearby. The inside of the plane was dark, for good night vision.

Lt. Ringwald said, "I wonder what those lights are, over there in the hills."

"Probably stars," said Schlueter, knowing from long experience that the size and character of lights are hard to estimate at night.

"No, I don't think so."

"Are you sure it's no reflection from us?"

"I'm positive."

Then Ringwald remembered -- there weren't any hills over there. Yet the "lights" were still glowing -- eight or ten of them in a row -- orange balls of fire moving through the air at a terrific speed.

Then Schlueter saw them far off his left wing. Were enemy fighters pursuing him? He immediately checked by radio with Allied ground radar stations.

"Nobody up there but yourself." they reported. "Are you crazy?"

And no enemy plane showed in Lt. Meiers' radar.

Lt. Schlueter didn't know what he was facing -- possibly some new and lethal German weapon -- but he turned into the lights, ready for action. The lights disappeared -- then reappeared far off. Five minutes later they went into a flat glide and vanished.

The puzzled airmen continued on their mission, and destroyed seven freight trains behind German lines. When they landed back at Dijon, they decided to do what any other prudent soldier would do -- keep quiet for the moment. If you tried to explain everything strange that happened in a war, you'd do nothing else. Further, Schlueter and Meiers had nearly completed their required missions, and didn't want to chance being grounded by some sceptical flight surgeon for "combat fatigue."

Maybe they had been "seeing things."

But a few nights later, Lt. Henry Giblin, of Santa Rosa, California, pilot, and Lt. Walter Cleary, of Worcester, Massachusetts, radar-observer, were flying at 1,000 feet altitude when they saw a huge red light 1,000 feet above them, moving at 200 miles per hour. As the observation was made on an early winter evening, the men decided that perhaps they had eaten something at chow that didn't agree with them and did not rush to report their experience.

On December 22-23, 1944, another 415th night fighter squadron pilot and radar-observer were flying at 10,000 feet altitude near Hagenau. "At 0600 hours we saw two lights climbing toward us from the ground. Upon reaching our altitude, they levelled off and stayed on my tail. The lights appeared to be large orange glows. After staying with the plane for two minutes, they peeled off and turned away, flying under perfect control, and then went out."

The next night the same two men, flying at 10,000 feet, observed a single red flame. Lt. David L. McFalls, of Cliffside, N. C., pilot, and Lt. Ned Baker of Hemat, California, radar-observer, also saw: "A glowing red object shooting straight up, which suddenly changed to a view of an aircraft doing a wing-over, going into a dive and disappearing." This was the first and only suggestion of a controlled flying device.

By this time, the lights were reported by all members of the 415th who saw them. Most men poked fun at the observers, until they saw for themselves. Although confronted with a baffling situation, and one with lethal potentialities, the 415th continued its remarkable combat record. When the writer of this article visited and talked with them in Germany, he was impressed with the obvious fact that the 415th fliers were very normal airmen, whose primary interest was combat, and after that came pin-up girls, poker, doughnuts, and the derivatives of the grape.

The 415th had a splendid record.

The whole outfit took the mysterious lights or balls of fire with a sense of humour. Their reports were received in some higher quarters with smiles: "Sure, you must have seen something, and have you been getting enough sleep?" One day at chow a 415th pilot suggested that they give the lights a name. A reader of the comic strip "Smokey Stover" suggested that they be called "foo-fighters," since it was frequently and irrefutably stated in that strip that "Where there's foo, there's fire."

The name stuck.

What the 415th saw at night was borne out in part by day. West of Neustadt, a P-47 pilot saw "a gold-colored ball, with a metallic finish, which appeared to be moving slowly through the air. As the sun was low, it was impossible to tell whether the sun reflected off it, or the light came from within." Another P-47 pilot reported "a phosphorescent golden sphere, 3 to 5 feet in diameter, flying at 2,000 feet,"

Meanwhile, official reports of the "foo-fighters" had gone to group headquarters and were "noted." Now in the Army, when you "note" anything it means that you neither agree nor disagree, nor do you intend to do anything about it. It covers everything. Various explanations were offered for the phenomena -- none of them satisfactory, and most of them irritating to the 415th.

It was said that the foo-fighters might be a new kind of flare.

A flare, said the 415th, does not dive, peel off, or turn.

Were they to frighten or confuse Allied pilots?

Well, if so, they were not succeeding -- and yet the lights continued to appear.

Eighth Air Force bomber crews had reported seeing silver-colored spheres resembling huge Christmas tree ornaments in the sky -- what about them?

Well, the silver spheres usually floated, and never followed a plane. They were presumably some idea the Germans tried in the unsuccessful effort to confuse our pilots or hinder our radar bombing devices.

What about jet planes?

No, the Germans had jet planes all right, but they didn't have an exhaust flame visible at any distance.

Could they be flying bombs of some sort, either with or without a pilot? Presumably not -- with but one exception no one thought he observed a wing or fuselage.

Weather balloons?

No, the 415th was well aware of their behaviour. They ascended almost vertically, and eventually burst.

Could the lights or balls of fire be the red, blue, and orange colored flak bursts that Eighth Air Force bomber crews had reported?

It was a nice idea, said the 415th, but there was no correlation between the foo-fighters they observed and the flak they encountered. And night flak was usually directed by German radar, not visually.

In short, no explanation stood up.

On Dec. 31, 1944, AP reporter Bob Wilson, was with the 415th and heard about the foo-fighters. He questioned the men until 4 a.m. in the best newspaper tradition until he got all the facts. His story passed the censors, and appeared in American newspapers on January 1, 1945, just in time to meet the customary crop of annual hangovers.

Some scientists in New York decided, apparently by remote control, that what the airmen had seen in Germany was St. Elmo's light -- a well-known electrical phenomenon appearing like light or flame during stormy weather at the tips of church steeples, ships' masts, and tall trees. Being in the nature of an electrical discharge, St. Elmo's fire is reddish when positive, and bluish when negative.

The 415th blew up. It was thoroughly acquainted with St. Elmo's fire. The men snorted, "Just let the sons come over and fly a mission with us. We'll show em."

Through January, 1945, the 415th continued to see the "foo-fighters," and their conduct became increasingly mysterious. One aircrew observed lights, moving both singly and in pairs. On another occasion, three sets of lights, this time red and white in color, followed a plane, and when the plane suddenly pulled up, the lights continued on in the same direction, as though caught napping, and then sheepishly pulled up to follow.

The pilot checked with ground radar -- he was alone in the sky.

This was true in every instance foo-fighters were observed.

The first real clue came with the last appearance of the exasperating and potentially deadly lights. They never kept 415th from fulfilling its missions, but they certainly were unnerving. The last time the foo-fighters appeared, the pilot turned into them at the earliest possible moment -- and the lights disappeared. The pilot was sure that he felt prop wash, but when he checked with ground radar, there was no other airplane.

The pilot continued on his way, perturbed, even angry -- when he noticed lights far to the rear. The night was clear and the pilot was approaching a huge cloud. Once in the cloud, he dropped down two thousand feet and made a 30 degree left turn. Just a few seconds later be emerged from the cloud -- with his eye peeled to rear. Sure enough, coming out of the cloud in the same relative position was the foo-fighter, as though to thumb its nose at the pilot, and then disappear.

This was the last time the foo-fighters were seen in Germany, although it would have seemed fitting, if the lights had made one last gesture, grouping themselves so as to spell "Guess What" in the sky, and vanishing forever.

But they didn't.

The foo-fighters simply disappeared when Allied ground forces captured the area East of the Rhine. This was known to be the location of many German experimental stations. Since V-E day our Intelligence officers have put many such installations under guard. From them we hope to get valuable research information -- including the solution to the foo-fighter mystery, but it has not appeared yet. It may be successfully hidden for years to come, possibly forever.

The members of the 415th hope Army Intelligence will find the answer. If it turns out that the Germans never had anything airborne in the area, they say, "We'll be all set for Section Eight psychiatric discharges."

Meanwhile, the foo-fighter mystery continues unsolved. The lights, or balls of fire, appeared and disappeared on the other side of the world, over Japan - and your guess as to what they were is just as good as mine, for nobody really knows.


Dieser Artikel ist grundsätzlich gut recherchiert und die Fälle lassen sich überprüfen. Jedoch sind schon jetzt einige Anmerkungen nötig.
1.Die Idee einer Nazi Geheimwaffe resultiert mutmasslich aus diesem Artikel, der den Anschein erweckt, die Foo Fighters seien erst gegen Ende des zweiten Weltkrieges in Erscheinng getreten. Berichte lassen sich jedoch offensichtlich bis 1940 zurückverfolgen .
2. Er erweckt den eindruck, das Phänomen sei wesentlich auf Europa beschränkt gewesen. Berichte existierten jedoch von nahezu allen Kriegsschauplätzen.
3. Es wird immer wieder berichtet, die Piloten der Achsenmächte hättenähnliche Sichtungen dargelegt.
Dies ist iaus diesem Artikel nicht ableitbar! Die beschriebenen Leuchterscheinungen bzw orangen Bälle sind meines Wissens in deutschen Archiven nicht belegt. Man kann sich das auch gut vorstellen, da die Luftwaffe andere Probleme hatte und keine Resourcen, um solchen Dingen nachzugehen, die für die Kämpfe irrelevant waren. Wenn jemand einen deutschen bericht darüber kennt, würde ich mich über die Quelle freuen. Es gibt deutsche Berichte über ungewöhnliche Lufterscheinungen , aber hier handelt es sich um solide Objekte.Dazu später. Japanische Berichte kenne ich ebenfalss nicht , vielleicht gibt es da etwas auf Englisch, was ich bisher nicht gefunden habe. Die Situation dürfte aber ähnlich wie in Deutschland gewesen sein, man hatte schlicht andere Sorgen.

Biher haben andere offensichtlich auch nichts gefunden:
> I wonder if anyone can help - Is it known whether any German pilots
> reported being apparently tailed by these Foo Fighters or did they just
> 'follow' US and UK a/c ?

> I'd be grateful for any comments, as I haven't seen this very basic
> question answered...maybe I'm looking in the wrong places...

> Best

> David


Hi David,

There are a number of German pilot reports out there which are
very dubious as there sources are unreliable. Also, H. Durant
made up the Sonder Buro hoax as a way to catch people poaching
from his book. It was not ufology's finest hour. (Just one more
stupid incident in the legion that makes me believe that
ufologists are the main problem in studying UFOs.)

I do have a report from a German submarine captain during the
war. There are some retrospective reports from various German,
Japanese, and Axis subjects, but no reliable one's from pilots
unless Werner or others can correct me.

David Griggs told Dr. McDonald that he asked the Japanese to look
at their records and got a negative answer from them. However,
Jo Chamberlin who wrote the "Foo-Fighter" article in American
Legion magazine claims that we found 'Foo-Fighter" accounts in
both German and Japanese documents. He refused to talk to
Lindell about this as he said his information came from
classified documents and he had been visited by counter
intelligence after the article appeared. I guess they put the
fear of God into him. When I attempted to contact him, he had
had a stroke. His wife thought that 50 year records still being
classified was a joke and promised to look for me. However, she
probably has her hands full so I am not expecting an answer.

Best regards,

Jan
http://ufoupdateslist.com/1998/jul/m15-023.shtml


Dazu kommt noch , das nur die Amerikaner das Phänomen als Foo Fighters bezeichneten , war letztendlich ein Nickname unter Piloten. Die Briten sprachen von "the thing" or "Light Balls".
so etwas dann in nicht amerikanischen Archiven zu suchen , wäre genauso , wie Vietkong unter dem Namen " Charlie" .


4. Einteilung der Sichtungen

Ich denke folgende Einteilung wäre hilfreich

1. Klassische Foo Fighters

Lichtkugeln , verschiedener Farbe ,hauptsächlich orange, und variierender Anzahl , die oftmals Katz und Maus mit den Flugzeugen spielten und nicht abgeschüttelt werden konnten. Hier ist völig offen , ob es sich dabei um ein nicht solides oder solides Phänomen handelte.

Beispiele
Capt. Alvah M. Reida, during his military flying career, was an Airplane Commander on B-26's, B-24's and B-29's. At the time of the sighting, he was based at Kharagapur, India, in the 468th Bomb Group, 792nd Squadron, XX Bomber Command, All quotes from his report, on file at NICAP).

"I was on a mission from Ceylon, bombing Palembang, Sumatra. The date was August 10, 1944, time shortly after midnight. There were 50 planes on the strike going in on the target at about 2 or 3 minute intervals. My plane was the last one in on the target and the assignment was for us to bomb, then drop photo flash bombs, attached to parachutes, make a few runs over the target area, photographing damage from the preceding planes. The weather was broken clouds, with an overcast above us. Our altitude was 14,000 feet, indicated air speed about 210 mph.

"While in the general target area we were exposed to sporadic flak fire, but immediately after leaving this area it ceased. At about 20 or 30 minutes later the right gunner and my co-pilot reported a strange object pacing us about 500 yards off the starboard wing. At that distance it appeared as a spherical object, probably 5 or 6 feet in diameter, of a very bright and intense red or orange in color. It seemed to have a halo effect. Something like this:

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"My gunner reported it coming in from about five o'clock position at our level. It seemed to throb or vibrate constantly. Assuming it was some kind of radio controlled object sent to pace us, I went into evasive action, changing direction constantly as much as 90 degrees and altitude about 2000 feet. It followed our every maneuver for about 8 minutes, always holding a position of about 500 yards out and about 2 o'clock in relation to the plane. When it left, it made an abrupt 90 degree turn, up and accelerating rapidly; it disappeared in the overcast."

http://www.nicap.org/ufoe/section_3.htm


Capt. Reida added: "During the strike evaluation and interrogation following this mission, I made a detailed report to Intelligence, thinking it was some new type of radio controlled missile or weapon."

2. Eher solide Objekte

Beschreibung von Sphären, Diskusförmigen Objekten und zigarrenförmigen Objekten , ggf auch Triangelsichtung.

Beispiele
Most Detailed Case

The most detailed of these cases involved a large UFO seen in 1945 by crew members of the U.S. Army Transport "Delarof," which had been hauling munitions and supplies to Alaska. The reporting witness, recently interviewed, was Robert S. Crawford, now a consulting geologist with the Indiana Soil Testing Laboratory, Griffith, Ind. Crawford is a graduate of the University of North Dakota, and while at the college he reported the sighting to Prof. N. N. Kohanowski, Dept. of Geology, who is a NICAP adviser. In 1967, Mr. Crawford was interviewed by Dr. James E. McDonald, a scientist at the University of Arizona, who under a university grant has personally investigated numerous UFO reports.

The Delarof incident occurred in the summer of 1945, while Crawford was serving as one of the Army radiomen aboard. The ship, heading back to Seattle, was in the open sea past Adak. It was about sunset, and Crawford was on the port side near the radio room. When he heard shouts from some of the crew, he turned and saw a large round object which had just emerged from the sea. (Several crewmen saw the UFO actually appear from underwater, an estimated mile or so from the "Delarof")

The unknown craft, showing darkly against the setting sun, climbed almost straight up for a few moments, then it arced into level flight, and began to circle the ship. All the observers were convinced it was a large object. Comparing it with the width of a finger held out at arm's length, Crawford estimated the UFO to be 150 to 250 feet in diameter.

As it circled the Delarof, the flying object was in easy range of the ship's guns. But the gun crews held their fire, though on tight alert for any sign of hostility.

The UFO circled the vessel two or three times, moving smoothly and with no audible sound. All the witnesses felt it was self-propelled; otherwise, the strong winds would have visibly affected its movements.

After several minutes, the flying object disappeared to the south or south-southwest. Suddenly the crew saw three flashes of light from the area where it had vanished. The Delarof captain posted an extra watch as the ship moved through that sector later, but nothing was seen.

At Seattle, 14 crewmen signed a summary of the sighting. Attempts are being made to locate the report, mainly so as to interrogate other witnesses and perhaps learn more details.
http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/delarof45nicap.htm



3. Andere Phänomene

Fortsetzung folgt


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Die Foo-Fighters des zweiten Weltkrieges

12.09.2012 um 06:26
Gründliche Recherche, klarer schöner Aufbau, wirklich gut und interessant. Hoffentlich folgt die Fortsetzung bald!


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