Das FBI braucht ihre Hilfe

@L.S.
Hierbei wird es sich wohl um ein Wort wie then, when, will, and, becauseusw. handeln, welches oft in der englischen Sprache vorkommt.

Noch kurz ne Frage: Wie das alte Ehepaar den einen Brief entschluesseln konnte, ist nirgends angegeben, oder?

Hmmmm

@Dr.Venkman
Kommt sonst auch noch was? ;)

Donald Harden hieß der Mann der den Zodiac Brief mit seiner Frau entschlüsselte.
Auf dieser Seite findet man nur eine kleine MP3 Datei wo Harden was zu seiner Entschlüsselungstechnik sagt.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/Letters.html

Das hier soll ein vermeidlicher Ansatz sein, ein Leserkommentar:

I keep trying to post a reply explaining how I get this info but its taking too long to type and when someone replies it all gets erased, so I’ll try to be quick and save what I write as I go along….also, I want to make clear that I dont care about getting credit, just solving this tragic event…finally, if you have never worked with children with autism, you may not understand the logic or find yourself frustrated
I first noticed the hyphens on page 2 and quickly identified that as a set of numbers; phone number, address, or social..etc. Remember, Mr McCormick created this language as a child, and therefore you MUST think as a child:

ALPNTE GLSE - SE ERTE
VLSE MTSE - CTSE - WSE - FRTSE

I started with breaking up CTSE-WSE-FRTSE

I then associated numbers to letters: A=1, B=2, etc. (I have now noticed people posting this on the thread so others are doing the same thing now, so I feel even more confident now)

Starting with CTSE
C=3
T=20
S=19
E=5
*Keep 3 because it is the first number and smallest* T-S=1
E-1=4 (See how I repeated that twice? That is the “law” of 2 and you’ll see it again and again in this code, and its the reason he repeats letters twice in patterns.)

————————-
WSE; W=23, S=19, E=5
23-19=4 (the law of 2) add 4+4=8, then 19-5=14(the law of 2) 14/2=7
again…(the law of 2) You get two 7’s….the answer is 877!
————
Finally, I did it a 3rd time and got 314-877-6400

THEN I Googled the phone number (for the gentleman who accused me of being a farce) and found the Missouri Institute for Mental Health with that phone number…I quickly noticed the address as Arsenal Street and found those letters within the code:

ALPNTE GLSE - SE ERTE
VLSE MTSE = Arsenal Street (You use the same A twice b/c it is the first letter and the law of 2 remember?)

NOTE: If you are a computer scientist or math teacher and are pulling your hair out right now, then you will now realize why the FBI is asking for help, right? You don’t use logic, you use children-like rules, which is sort of how the mind of some people work, such as autism champs! LOL

Finally, after you use those letters to get Arsenal Street….the remaining letters are:

PGLSETEVLSEME = 5400 (using the same math formula for the phone number and always, the law of 2!)

Coincidence? I get 5400 Arsenal Street 314-877-6400

Now, here is the tricky part…the next paragraph then changes “laws”…its no longer the law of 2 and the alphabet…its a game where you find the letters before a repeating letter:

Here is the next 3 lines:

PNRTRSE ONDRSE WLD NCBE
NWLD XLRCMSP NEWLD STS ME XL
DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXL

I immediately noticed the “N”s and wrote out all letters before the N’s:

PODEPUE

NOW…I Googled PODEPUE…and got nothing…then I googled “podepue” and “missouri” and I got Susan Depue from the Missouri Institue for Mental Health. So for the gentleman who thought I had the answers and then Googled to make the answers fit (that doesnt even make logical sense does it?)…that’s how I found her name in the pattern and confirmed with Google her association with the letter code….

Finally, I didnt even have to keep doing that, just kept staring at the code and I got the medications being wrong, the “mg” letters you’ll see (after separating the “bad” letters), you’ll get a message about the wrong dosage (see XL? He’s talking about medications because I’ve gone through this where pharmacies think XR instead of XL, or EL, and that could cause you a serious health problem). Get it?

The paragraph below that seems to be a social security number or numerical code, the page titled “NOTES” is all incriminating evidence to point to the people responsible for hurting this man, the first page are directions, or a diary of where he travelled and what he did, and once all that is solved you’ll get a story about the crime committed

Irgendjemand bringt das auch damit in Verbindung:
Wikipedia: Jejemon

Keine Ahnung ob man das lösen kann, viele Schreiben auch nur Mist.

Da soll sich die NSA drum kümmern, die haben doch nach eigenen Angaben die "besten Kryptologen und Mathematiker der Welt" in ihren Reihen.

Das hier:
Wikipedia: Kryptos (Skulptur)

ist mindestens ebenso spannend und ebenfalls ungelöst.

Kryptos ist eine Skulptur des US-amerikanischen Bildhauers Jim Sanborn auf dem Gelände der Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in Langley, Virginia, USA. Seit ihrer Einweihung am 3. November 1990 gibt es viele Spekulationen über die auf ihr angebrachten verschlüsselten Nachrichten. Versuche, die Nachrichten zu entschlüsseln, werden fortwährend eine Abwechslung für die Angestellten der CIA und andere Kryptoanalytiker bleiben.

IIch glaub, die Ehefrau hiess Kathy Harden. Ihr kam der Gedanke, dass sich der Zodiac-Killer in seinen Briefen wojhl mit dem töten beschäftigte und suchte nach Chiffren, die "kill" heissen konnten und kam so auf die Lösung. Die Gute ist im Laufe der Zeit aber wojl etaws durchgedreht....

hab da ne idee..muss grad rausfinden obs, was bringt. Was mir besonders auffällt, ist,dass sehr viele Wortgebilde auf "se" enden. Was passiert denn nun, wenn man alle Buchstabenreihen weglässt bzw halt die Abschnitte die auf ein se enden? Oder halt was anderes mit Ihnen macht?
Kann jemand meiner Idee folgen und vlt was dazubauen?

hmm...je öfter ich mir das so anschau, umso eher hab ich das Gefühl,dass "WLD" ein Name ist. Was meint ihr?

Ich finde "NCBE" oft im Zusammenhang , oder im auffälligen Zusammenhang mit Zahlen.

Auf jedenfall beschäftigten sich so einige damit. Habe mich gerade auf nem US Forum rumgetrieben und da gibts es auch schon X ideen. In der unteren Hälfte erklärt er auch wie er da gearbeitet hat.

So far this is what I have (my apologies in advance if anyone has already posted this, but I'm too lazy to go through all of the 3468 comments posted thus far to verify):

On the page titled "NOTES", the first 2 lines:

ALPNTE GLSE - SE ERTE
VLSE MTSE - CTSE - WSE - FRTSE

This is an address and phone number for the Missouri Institute for Mental Health, which is located in St. Louis, MO where the man Ricky McCormick who was murdered on June 30 1999 is from, according to the FBI help request (I have yet to find any old articles that talk about the details of this murder btw)

Address & Phone confirmed with Yahoo Maps: 5400 - ARSENAL STREET - (314) 877-6400
----------------------------------------------------------------
The three lines underneath that address...so far I got from it "PO DEPUE" (if you take every letter within these 3 lines that proceed the letter "N":

PNRTRSE ONDRSE WLD NCBE
NWLD XLRCMSP NEWLD STS ME XL
DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXL

I Googled "podepue" and "missouri" and I got results for Susan Depue, Sr. Research Specialist at the Missouri Institute for Mental Health (Interesting huh?)

The other information so far that I am getting from this first "paragraph" circled, is that this individual is talking about the nurse in charge, or the "PO" administered; meaning Per Os (mental health jargon meaning medication taken by mouth), that was given to him was the wrong dosage (thus reference to XL), sort of like Effexor XL or Welbutrin, but the dosage was given incorrectly which caused him great troubles or something like that; probably a psychotic reaction or serious health problems from this "error" or possible intentional experimentation on him. This paragraph is basically starting out by explaining what happened to him as a mental health patient and the improper dosage given. That is all I have so far...the rest is slowly coming along...the first page that I haven't started on yet, well this is a sort of diary of events from him travelling and doing something I can't tell what just yet, but you get a lot of driving directions and coordinates to a location.

I'm going to bed now. Goodnight.

I hope this helps. Thanks for your time reading this. Take care. JCM0511
email: dannysantopiettro at yahoo





I keep trying to post a reply explaining how I get this info but its taking too long to type and when someone replies it all gets erased, so I'll try to be quick and save what I write as I go along....also, I want to make clear that I dont care about getting credit, just solving this tragic event...finally, if you have never worked with children with autism, you may not understand the logic or find yourself frustrated
I first noticed the hyphens on page 2 and quickly identified that as a set of numbers; phone number, address, or social..etc. Remember, Mr McCormick created this language as a child, and therefore you MUST think as a child:

ALPNTE GLSE - SE ERTE
VLSE MTSE - CTSE - WSE - FRTSE

I started with breaking up CTSE-WSE-FRTSE

I then associated numbers to letters: A=1, B=2, etc. (I have now noticed people posting this on the thread so others are doing the same thing now, so I feel even more confident now)

Starting with CTSE
C=3
T=20
S=19
E=5
*Keep 3 because it is the first number and smallest* T-S=1
E-1=4 (See how I repeated that twice? That is the "law" of 2 and you'll see it again and again in this code, and its the reason he repeats letters twice in patterns.)

-------------------------
WSE; W=23, S=19, E=5
23-19=4 (the law of 2) add 4+4=8, then 19-5=14(the law of 2) 14/2=7
again...(the law of 2) You get two 7's....the answer is 877!
------------
Finally, I did it a 3rd time and got 314-877-6400

THEN I Googled the phone number (for the gentleman who accused me of being a farce) and found the Missouri Institute for Mental Health with that phone number...I quickly noticed the address as Arsenal Street and found those letters within the code:

ALPNTE GLSE - SE ERTE
VLSE MTSE = Arsenal Street (You use the same A twice b/c it is the first letter and the law of 2 remember?)

NOTE: If you are a computer scientist or math teacher and are pulling your hair out right now, then you will now realize why the FBI is asking for help, right? You don't use logic, you use children-like rules, which is sort of how the mind of some people work, such as autism champs! LOL

Finally, after you use those letters to get Arsenal Street....the remaining letters are:

PGLSETEVLSEME = 5400 (using the same math formula for the phone number and always, the law of 2!)

Coincidence? I get 5400 Arsenal Street 314-877-6400

Now, here is the tricky part...the next paragraph then changes "laws"...its no longer the law of 2 and the alphabet...its a game where you find the letters before a repeating letter:

Here is the next 3 lines:

PNRTRSE ONDRSE WLD NCBE
NWLD XLRCMSP NEWLD STS ME XL
DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXL

I immediately noticed the "N"s and wrote out all letters before the N's:

PODEPUE

NOW...I Googled PODEPUE...and got nothing...then I googled "podepue" and "missouri" and I got Susan Depue from the Missouri Institue for Mental Health. So for the gentleman who thought I had the answers and then Googled to make the answers fit (that doesnt even make logical sense does it?)...that's how I found her name in the pattern and confirmed with Google her association with the letter code....

Finally, I didnt even have to keep doing that, just kept staring at the code and I got the medications being wrong, the "mg" letters you'll see (after separating the "bad" letters), you'll get a message about the wrong dosage (see XL? He's talking about medications because I've gone through this where pharmacies think XR instead of XL, or EL, and that could cause you a serious health problem). Get it?

The paragraph below that seems to be a social security number or numerical code, the page titled "NOTES" is all incriminating evidence to point to the people responsible for hurting this man, the first page are directions, or a diary of where he travelled and what he did, and once all that is solved you'll get a story about the crime committed

@tom.1st
Das ist ja das Problem. Jetzt kommen wieder sehr, sehr viele Theorien, von irgendwelchen Menschen. Vielleicht stimmt ja eine von den 300en.

Zum Thema ,,Wenn die Experten das nicht schaffen, wie sollen das dann außerhalb der Geheimdienste Leute erreichen?":

Der Witz dabei ist, dass kaum etwas so variabel denkt, wie der menschliche Geist ;)

Niemand kann vorhersagen, wer auf was für einen Gedanken käme, um ein Rätsel zu lösen.
So gut die Spezialisten bei der NSA (gilt als bester Geheimdienst beim Knacken von Codes) auch sind und so gut ihre Technik ist: Sie sind zahlenmäßig ziemlich wenige und auch die Technik hat ihre Grenzen.

Dagegen besteht immer die Möglichkeit, dass irgendjemand auf der Welt den entsprechenden Code versteht - weil er zufällig die richtigen Lösungswege kennt, das richtige Buch gelesen hat, den richtigen Film gesehen oder die korrekte Sternenkonstellation mal beobachtet hat und alles zusammenfügen kann.


Nur, weil es Geheimdienste gibt, sind diese trotzdem nicht allmächtig und allwissend.

Bestes Beispiel sind doch die regelmäßigen Attacken von Privatpersonen, Jugendlichen, ja manchmal fast noch Kindern, denen es trotzdem gelingt, Regierungs- Militär- und Geheimdienstseiten zu hacken.

vielleicht sollte das fbi mal in psychischen kliniken nachfragen.
oder vielleicht kennt einer aus dem forum einen aus seinem bekanntenkreis
der sich gerade in so einer einrichtung befindet und gerade mit sowas herumexperimentiert.
ist doch alles möglich aalleess.

@Kodo
wieso soll dir jemand aus der psychiatrie dabei helfen? o.ô willst du damit sagen, dass der ermordete psych. krank war und nur andere psych. kranke den Code knacken können? Find ich ziemlich abwegig -.-

@bösezicke
ich bin dafür, dass derjenige der das rätsel löst, an den zodiac fällen weiterrätselt, da wurde ja nur ein brief geknackt bis nun.

@darkylein
bei sowas sollte doch nichts ausser acht gelassen werden gerade wenn man dieses rätsel,
was wohl nicht auf normalem weg, zu lösen ist bearbeitet.
mfg

@Kodo
ich bezweifle, dass gewisse Klienten der Psychiatrie Interesse an sowas hätten, da sie meist anderweitig beschäftigt sind, und eh schon psych. angeschlagen sind, willst du, dass sie so enden wie Frau Harden?

Was ist den genau mit Frau Harden?

@meteora


ich finde aber das Beispiel aus dem U.S. Forum nicht gerade schlecht. Ausserdem scheint dies tatsächlich auch inhaltlich auf das Opfer zuzutrefen.
Ich werde dies dort mal weiterbeobachten weil der User dort meinte er werde den Rest der Lösung ins Forum eintagen sobald er mal wieder einigermaßen genug geschlafen hat ;)