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Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
07.10.2009 um 18:42hm.. folglich ist Gott auch in Frauen und das verstößt gegen seine eigenen Sittengesetze. Wer, als Frau, lässt sich schon gerne von einem wild fremdem Mann "durchdringen"?rupsn schrieb:Gott als Männliche Person ja! Doch das göttliche ist überall
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
08.10.2009 um 18:39wenn es gott geben würde, wäre er wahrscheinlich sowieso ungeschlechtlich. ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass er ein geschlecht hat. ...
aber das weicht vom thema ab. vielleicht sollte man mal wieder aufs thema zurück kommen. :)
aber das weicht vom thema ab. vielleicht sollte man mal wieder aufs thema zurück kommen. :)
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
08.10.2009 um 19:00@hirnsperre
wenn dann wars ein Mann :P
Aber da es keinen Gott gibt kommen wir zum Thema zurück!
In dieser Woche hatte ich eine Vorlesung über Cern auf der Uni; mal schaun ob ich die Präsentation irgendwie Uploaden kann!
wenn dann wars ein Mann :P
Aber da es keinen Gott gibt kommen wir zum Thema zurück!
In dieser Woche hatte ich eine Vorlesung über Cern auf der Uni; mal schaun ob ich die Präsentation irgendwie Uploaden kann!
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
08.10.2009 um 22:10das internet wurde dort erfunden... zuerst nur ein paar institute und heute die ganze welt.
nicht schlecht. aber das war früher.
der teilchenbeschleuniger wird ,wenn er auf voller leistung läuft, der kälteste ort des universums sein.
ps: wann gehts eigentlich wieder los mit experimenten?
nicht schlecht. aber das war früher.
der teilchenbeschleuniger wird ,wenn er auf voller leistung läuft, der kälteste ort des universums sein.
ps: wann gehts eigentlich wieder los mit experimenten?
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
08.10.2009 um 23:01Die ersten Experimente (Protonenkollisionen) sollen noch diesen Monat
stattfinden. Schwerere Atomkernkollisionen (u.A. Bleikerne)
folgen dann Anfang 2010.
Sofern zwischenzeitlich nicht wieder eine neue Panne auftritt....
stattfinden. Schwerere Atomkernkollisionen (u.A. Bleikerne)
folgen dann Anfang 2010.
Sofern zwischenzeitlich nicht wieder eine neue Panne auftritt....
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
09.10.2009 um 14:23ah vielen dank für die info :)
pannen sind bei so einem mammutprojekt natürlich nicht auszuschliessen.
was wurde dort eigentlich noch so erfunden bisher? ich find immer nur das www ...
ach die haben dort mal 8 antiwasserstoff atome hergestellt... möglicherweise ein guter raumfahrt antrieb der zukunft? antimaterie
und die wollen ja auch rausfinden aus "was" dunkle materie besteht, da bin ich auch gespannt drauf ^^
pannen sind bei so einem mammutprojekt natürlich nicht auszuschliessen.
was wurde dort eigentlich noch so erfunden bisher? ich find immer nur das www ...
ach die haben dort mal 8 antiwasserstoff atome hergestellt... möglicherweise ein guter raumfahrt antrieb der zukunft? antimaterie
und die wollen ja auch rausfinden aus "was" dunkle materie besteht, da bin ich auch gespannt drauf ^^
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
09.10.2009 um 23:44Ich hoffe doch nicht, daß zumindest keine Panne eintreten wird,
die das komplette System lahmlegt oder eine erneute
Aufwärmungs- und Abkühlungsphase notwendig wird.
Dann sind wieder mehrere Monate Verloren, mal davon
abgesehen was deer 'Spass' dann auch kostet !
Mit großer Spannung erwarte auch ich erste Ergebnisse und
resultierende Erkenntnisse über subatomare Teilchen.
Hmmh, außer, daß dort ursprünglich (nebenbei !) das Internet
entstanden ist, wüsste ich jetzt momentan nicht, daß dort noch
andere weltbewegende 'Erfindungen' hervorgegangen sind.
Aber warten wir mal ab, wenn neue Erkenntnisse vorliegen,
ob die in der Praxis irgendwie auch für zukünftige Erfindungen
für Technik in der Industrie als auch für den Alltag anwendbare
Erkenntnisse hervorgehen.
die das komplette System lahmlegt oder eine erneute
Aufwärmungs- und Abkühlungsphase notwendig wird.
Dann sind wieder mehrere Monate Verloren, mal davon
abgesehen was deer 'Spass' dann auch kostet !
Mit großer Spannung erwarte auch ich erste Ergebnisse und
resultierende Erkenntnisse über subatomare Teilchen.
Hmmh, außer, daß dort ursprünglich (nebenbei !) das Internet
entstanden ist, wüsste ich jetzt momentan nicht, daß dort noch
andere weltbewegende 'Erfindungen' hervorgegangen sind.
Aber warten wir mal ab, wenn neue Erkenntnisse vorliegen,
ob die in der Praxis irgendwie auch für zukünftige Erfindungen
für Technik in der Industrie als auch für den Alltag anwendbare
Erkenntnisse hervorgehen.
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
10.10.2009 um 11:09Was denkt ihr, werden die uns 100% auf dem laufendem halten, oder wird es da Betriebsgeheimnisse geben?
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
10.10.2009 um 11:33Atom-Forscher unter Terror-Verdacht
http://www.bild.de/BILD/politik/2009/10/09/festnahme-im-cern-atomlabor/terrorverdacht-gegen-forscher.html (Archiv-Version vom 12.10.2009)
http://www.bild.de/BILD/politik/2009/10/09/festnahme-im-cern-atomlabor/terrorverdacht-gegen-forscher.html (Archiv-Version vom 12.10.2009)
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
10.10.2009 um 12:40@bw1980
Ich glaub die Ergebnisse werden wir erfahren, aber es gibt sicherlich eineige Betriebsgeheimnisse; ich könnt mir zwa keine Infos vorstellen die Cern nicht verlassen dürften aber naja..
Ich glaub die Ergebnisse werden wir erfahren, aber es gibt sicherlich eineige Betriebsgeheimnisse; ich könnt mir zwa keine Infos vorstellen die Cern nicht verlassen dürften aber naja..
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
10.10.2009 um 14:55@andreasko
Das mit den Terroristen usw. ist nur ein vorwand um uns Bürger in schach zu halten... letztens haben die was über das Oktoberfest gezeigt und da war einer, der etwas über den durst getrunken hat... schon lagen 5 polizisten auf dem drauf... und das Kommentar dazu war: Wieder hat die erfolgreiche Terrorabwehr gezeigt, dass die Gesetzeshüter nicht fehl am platz sind...
Das mit den Terroristen usw. ist nur ein vorwand um uns Bürger in schach zu halten... letztens haben die was über das Oktoberfest gezeigt und da war einer, der etwas über den durst getrunken hat... schon lagen 5 polizisten auf dem drauf... und das Kommentar dazu war: Wieder hat die erfolgreiche Terrorabwehr gezeigt, dass die Gesetzeshüter nicht fehl am platz sind...
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
10.10.2009 um 15:22@The_Styx
mal abwarten was sache ist,beurteilen kann man das ganze noch nicht...aber das mit dem oktoberfest,da haste recht.
mal abwarten was sache ist,beurteilen kann man das ganze noch nicht...aber das mit dem oktoberfest,da haste recht.
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
21.10.2009 um 19:00hier ist ein interessanter artikel über die merkwürdigen dinge in cern.
October 18, 2009
A particle God doesn’t want us to discover
Could the Large Hadron Collider be sabotaging itself from the future, as some physicists say
Explosions, scientists arrested for alleged terrorism, mysterious breakdowns — recently Cern’s Large Hadron Collider (LHC) has begun to look like the world’s most ill-fated experiment.
Is it really nothing more than bad luck or is there something weirder at work? Such speculation generally belongs to the lunatic fringe, but serious scientists have begun to suggest that the frequency of Cern’s accidents and problems is far more than a coincidence.
The LHC, they suggest, may be sabotaging itself from the future — twisting time to generate a series of scientific setbacks that will prevent the machine fulfilling its destiny.
At first sight, this theory fits comfortably into the crackpot tradition linking the start-up of the LHC with terrible disasters. The best known is that the £3 billion particle accelerator might trigger a black hole capable of swallowing the Earth when it gets going. Scientists enjoy laughing at this one.
This time, however, their ridicule has been rather muted — because the time travel idea has come from two distinguished physicists who have backed it with rigorous mathematics.
What Holger Bech Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, are suggesting is that the Higgs boson, the particle that physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be “abhorrent to nature”.
What does that mean? According to Nielsen, it means that the creation of the boson at some point in the future would then ripple backwards through time to put a stop to whatever it was that had created it in the first place.
This, says Nielsen, could explain why the LHC has been hit by mishaps ranging from an explosion during construction to a second big bang that followed its start-up. Whether the recent arrest of a leading physicist for alleged links with Al-Qaeda also counts is uncertain.
Nielsen’s idea has been likened to that of a man travelling back through time and killing his own grandfather. “Our theory suggests that any machine trying to make the Higgs shall have bad luck,” he said.
“It is based on mathematics, but you could explain it by saying that God rather hates Higgs particles and attempts to avoid them.”
His warnings come at a sensitive time for Cern, which is about to make its second attempt to fire up the LHC. The idea is to accelerate protons to almost the speed of light around the machine’s 17-mile underground circular racetrack and then smash them together.
In theory the machine will create tiny replicas of the primordial “big bang” fireball thought to have marked the creation of the universe. But if Nielsen and Ninomiya are right, this latest build-up will inevitably get nowhere, as will those that come after — until eventually Cern abandons the idea altogether.
This is, of course, far from being the first science scare linked to the LHC. Over the years it has been the target of protests, wild speculation and court injunctions.
Fiction writers have naturally seized on the subject. In Angels and Demons, Dan Brown sets out a diabolical plot in which the Vatican City is threatened with annihilation from a bomb based on antimatter stolen from Cern.
Blasphemy, a novel from Douglas Preston, the bestselling science-fiction author, draws on similar themes, with a story about a mad physicist who wants to use a particle accelerator to communicate with God. The physicist may be American and the machine located in America, rather than Switzerland, but the links are clear.
Even Five, the TV channel, has got in on the act by screening FlashForward, an American series based on Robert Sawyer’s novel of the same name in which the start-up of the LHC causes the Earth’s population to black out for two minutes when they experience visions of their personal futures 21 years hence. This gives them a chance to change that future.
Scientists normally hate to see their ideas perverted and twisted by the ignorant, but in recent years many physicists have learnt to welcome the way the LHC has become a part of popular culture. Cern even encourages film-makers to use the machine as a backdrop for their productions, often without charging them.
Nielsen presents them with a dilemma. Should they treat his suggestions as fact or fiction? Most would like to dismiss him, but his status means they have to offer some kind of science-based rebuttal.
James Gillies, a trained physicist who heads Cern’s communications department, said Nielsen’s idea was an interesting theory “but we know it doesn’t happen in reality”.
He explained that if Nielsen’s predictions were correct then whatever was stopping the LHC would also be stopping high-energy rays hitting the atmosphere. Since scientists can directly detect many such rays, “Nielsen must be wrong”, said Gillies.
He and others also believe that although such ideas have an element of fun, they risk distracting attention from the far more amazing ideas that the LHC will tackle once it gets going.
The Higgs boson, for example, is thought to give all other matter its mass, without which gravity could not work. If the LHC found the Higgs, it would open the door to solving all kinds of other mysteries about the origins and nature of matter. Another line of research aims to detect dark matter, which is thought to comprise about a quarter of the universe’s mass, but made out of a kind of particle that has so far proven impossible to detect.
However, perhaps the weirdest of all Cern’s aspirations for the LHC is to investigate extra dimensions of space. This idea, known as string theory, suggests there are many more dimensions to space than the four we can perceive.
At present these other dimensions are hidden, but smashing protons together in the LHC could produce gravitational anomalies, effectively tiny black holes, that would reveal their existence.
Some physicists suggest that when billions of pounds have been spent on the kit to probe such ideas, there is little need to invent new ones about time travel and self-sabotage.
History shows, however, it is unwise to dismiss too quickly ideas that are initially seen as science fiction. Peter Smith, a science historian and author of Doomsday Men, which looks at the links between science and popular culture, points out that what started as science fiction has often become the inspiration for big discoveries.
“Even the original idea of the ‘atomic bomb’ actually came not from scientists but from H G Wells in his 1914 novel The World Set Free,” he said.
“A scientist named Leo Szilard read it in 1932 and it gave him the inspiration to work out how to start the nuclear chain reaction needed to build a bomb. So the atom bomb has some of its origins in literature, as well as research.”
Some of Cern’s leading researchers also take Nielsen at least a little seriously. Brian Cox, professor of particle physics at Manchester University, said: “His ideas are theoretically valid. What he is doing is playing around at the edge of our knowledge, which is a good thing.
“He is pointing out that we don’t yet have a quantum theory of gravity, so we haven’t yet proved rigorously that sending information into the past isn’t possible.
“However, if time travellers do break into the LHC control room and pull the plug out of the wall, then I’ll refer you to my article supporting Nielsen’s theory that I wrote in 2025.”
This weekend, as the interest in his theories continued to grow, Nielsen was sounding more cautious. “We are seriously proposing the idea, but it is an ambitious theory, that’s all,” he said. “We already know it is not very likely to be true. If the LHC actually succeeds in discovering the Higgs boson, I guess we will have to think again.”
Quelle: http://www.timesonline.co.uk
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6879293.ece
October 18, 2009
A particle God doesn’t want us to discover
Could the Large Hadron Collider be sabotaging itself from the future, as some physicists say
Explosions, scientists arrested for alleged terrorism, mysterious breakdowns — recently Cern’s Large Hadron Collider (LHC) has begun to look like the world’s most ill-fated experiment.
Is it really nothing more than bad luck or is there something weirder at work? Such speculation generally belongs to the lunatic fringe, but serious scientists have begun to suggest that the frequency of Cern’s accidents and problems is far more than a coincidence.
The LHC, they suggest, may be sabotaging itself from the future — twisting time to generate a series of scientific setbacks that will prevent the machine fulfilling its destiny.
At first sight, this theory fits comfortably into the crackpot tradition linking the start-up of the LHC with terrible disasters. The best known is that the £3 billion particle accelerator might trigger a black hole capable of swallowing the Earth when it gets going. Scientists enjoy laughing at this one.
This time, however, their ridicule has been rather muted — because the time travel idea has come from two distinguished physicists who have backed it with rigorous mathematics.
What Holger Bech Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, are suggesting is that the Higgs boson, the particle that physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be “abhorrent to nature”.
What does that mean? According to Nielsen, it means that the creation of the boson at some point in the future would then ripple backwards through time to put a stop to whatever it was that had created it in the first place.
This, says Nielsen, could explain why the LHC has been hit by mishaps ranging from an explosion during construction to a second big bang that followed its start-up. Whether the recent arrest of a leading physicist for alleged links with Al-Qaeda also counts is uncertain.
Nielsen’s idea has been likened to that of a man travelling back through time and killing his own grandfather. “Our theory suggests that any machine trying to make the Higgs shall have bad luck,” he said.
“It is based on mathematics, but you could explain it by saying that God rather hates Higgs particles and attempts to avoid them.”
His warnings come at a sensitive time for Cern, which is about to make its second attempt to fire up the LHC. The idea is to accelerate protons to almost the speed of light around the machine’s 17-mile underground circular racetrack and then smash them together.
In theory the machine will create tiny replicas of the primordial “big bang” fireball thought to have marked the creation of the universe. But if Nielsen and Ninomiya are right, this latest build-up will inevitably get nowhere, as will those that come after — until eventually Cern abandons the idea altogether.
This is, of course, far from being the first science scare linked to the LHC. Over the years it has been the target of protests, wild speculation and court injunctions.
Fiction writers have naturally seized on the subject. In Angels and Demons, Dan Brown sets out a diabolical plot in which the Vatican City is threatened with annihilation from a bomb based on antimatter stolen from Cern.
Blasphemy, a novel from Douglas Preston, the bestselling science-fiction author, draws on similar themes, with a story about a mad physicist who wants to use a particle accelerator to communicate with God. The physicist may be American and the machine located in America, rather than Switzerland, but the links are clear.
Even Five, the TV channel, has got in on the act by screening FlashForward, an American series based on Robert Sawyer’s novel of the same name in which the start-up of the LHC causes the Earth’s population to black out for two minutes when they experience visions of their personal futures 21 years hence. This gives them a chance to change that future.
Scientists normally hate to see their ideas perverted and twisted by the ignorant, but in recent years many physicists have learnt to welcome the way the LHC has become a part of popular culture. Cern even encourages film-makers to use the machine as a backdrop for their productions, often without charging them.
Nielsen presents them with a dilemma. Should they treat his suggestions as fact or fiction? Most would like to dismiss him, but his status means they have to offer some kind of science-based rebuttal.
James Gillies, a trained physicist who heads Cern’s communications department, said Nielsen’s idea was an interesting theory “but we know it doesn’t happen in reality”.
He explained that if Nielsen’s predictions were correct then whatever was stopping the LHC would also be stopping high-energy rays hitting the atmosphere. Since scientists can directly detect many such rays, “Nielsen must be wrong”, said Gillies.
He and others also believe that although such ideas have an element of fun, they risk distracting attention from the far more amazing ideas that the LHC will tackle once it gets going.
The Higgs boson, for example, is thought to give all other matter its mass, without which gravity could not work. If the LHC found the Higgs, it would open the door to solving all kinds of other mysteries about the origins and nature of matter. Another line of research aims to detect dark matter, which is thought to comprise about a quarter of the universe’s mass, but made out of a kind of particle that has so far proven impossible to detect.
However, perhaps the weirdest of all Cern’s aspirations for the LHC is to investigate extra dimensions of space. This idea, known as string theory, suggests there are many more dimensions to space than the four we can perceive.
At present these other dimensions are hidden, but smashing protons together in the LHC could produce gravitational anomalies, effectively tiny black holes, that would reveal their existence.
Some physicists suggest that when billions of pounds have been spent on the kit to probe such ideas, there is little need to invent new ones about time travel and self-sabotage.
History shows, however, it is unwise to dismiss too quickly ideas that are initially seen as science fiction. Peter Smith, a science historian and author of Doomsday Men, which looks at the links between science and popular culture, points out that what started as science fiction has often become the inspiration for big discoveries.
“Even the original idea of the ‘atomic bomb’ actually came not from scientists but from H G Wells in his 1914 novel The World Set Free,” he said.
“A scientist named Leo Szilard read it in 1932 and it gave him the inspiration to work out how to start the nuclear chain reaction needed to build a bomb. So the atom bomb has some of its origins in literature, as well as research.”
Some of Cern’s leading researchers also take Nielsen at least a little seriously. Brian Cox, professor of particle physics at Manchester University, said: “His ideas are theoretically valid. What he is doing is playing around at the edge of our knowledge, which is a good thing.
“He is pointing out that we don’t yet have a quantum theory of gravity, so we haven’t yet proved rigorously that sending information into the past isn’t possible.
“However, if time travellers do break into the LHC control room and pull the plug out of the wall, then I’ll refer you to my article supporting Nielsen’s theory that I wrote in 2025.”
This weekend, as the interest in his theories continued to grow, Nielsen was sounding more cautious. “We are seriously proposing the idea, but it is an ambitious theory, that’s all,” he said. “We already know it is not very likely to be true. If the LHC actually succeeds in discovering the Higgs boson, I guess we will have to think again.”
Quelle: http://www.timesonline.co.uk
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6879293.ece
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
23.10.2009 um 17:05@greykilla
Habs mir durchgelesen. Scheint so als wenn es doch Wissenschaftler gibt, die an Gott glauben und somit manche Theorien von ihnen automatisch unglaubwürdig werden, weil sie durch ihren glauben affiziert wurden.
MfG
Habs mir durchgelesen. Scheint so als wenn es doch Wissenschaftler gibt, die an Gott glauben und somit manche Theorien von ihnen automatisch unglaubwürdig werden, weil sie durch ihren glauben affiziert wurden.
Ich denke, ein Atheist - oder zumindest Agnostizist - würde einen solchen Satz nicht schreiben/sagen. Also hatte Holger Bech Nielsen damit sein religiöses "coming out of the closet".greykilla schrieb:“It is based on mathematics, but you could explain it by saying that God rather hates Higgs particles and attempts to avoid them.”
MfG
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
26.10.2009 um 15:52Die ganze Sache ist nicht koscha. Ich denke vom Cern wird man so schnell nix mehr in den Medien hören, weder irgendwelche tollen "Erkenntnisse", noch sonst was?
WARUM BLOSS????
WARUM BLOSS????
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
26.10.2009 um 16:23@FreakySmiley
Sehr viele Wissenschaftler sind Gläubig und warum auch nicht ist ja kein wiederpruch^^
@mufflon667
Man hört nix weil es momentan nich viel zu hören gibt^^
Mfg matti15
Sehr viele Wissenschaftler sind Gläubig und warum auch nicht ist ja kein wiederpruch^^
@mufflon667
Man hört nix weil es momentan nich viel zu hören gibt^^
Mfg matti15
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
01.11.2009 um 10:56na so allmählich gehts weiter! :)
CERN - Auf der Suche nach den kleinsten Teilchen (Seite 77)
ein cern-thread reicht eigentlich, so verpasst man schnell infos, die im anderen thread stehen und vice versa
CERN - Auf der Suche nach den kleinsten Teilchen (Seite 77)
ein cern-thread reicht eigentlich, so verpasst man schnell infos, die im anderen thread stehen und vice versa
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
30.03.2010 um 22:44.....naaaaaa ;-)
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
30.03.2010 um 22:47...habt ihr euch den nun wirklich garnichts zu sagen/erzählen ^^
Wo sind SIE !!!!.....wo sind WIR
Ist noch alles soo wie es gewesen wahr ?!
Wo sind SIE !!!!.....wo sind WIR
Ist noch alles soo wie es gewesen wahr ?!
Was ist eigentlich aus Cern geworden?
31.03.2010 um 02:07Ja es ist noch alles wie es war,nur die Kommentare der Wissenschaftler nach dem Experiment waren eher kläglich.So nach dem Motto,jetzt müssen wir mal schauen was wir
eigentlich gemacht haben.Dort wird mit Kräften experimentiert die man nicht wirkich im
Griff hat.Man sollte diese Anlage schliessen,so schnell wie möglich.Es ist vermessen sich an der Schöpfung zu versuchen wenn man nicht in der Lage ist, die Zusammenhänge unseres Planeten zubegreifen.Den das haben wir noch nicht drauf!
Wen es interessiert sollte hier einmal reinschauen......
http://www.villa-galactica.de/HuM_Site/Mad%20Scientists.htm
Die Dame spricht mir aus der Seele.
eigentlich gemacht haben.Dort wird mit Kräften experimentiert die man nicht wirkich im
Griff hat.Man sollte diese Anlage schliessen,so schnell wie möglich.Es ist vermessen sich an der Schöpfung zu versuchen wenn man nicht in der Lage ist, die Zusammenhänge unseres Planeten zubegreifen.Den das haben wir noch nicht drauf!
Wen es interessiert sollte hier einmal reinschauen......
Die Dame spricht mir aus der Seele.