9/11: Tag der Verschwörungen?

sator schrieb:auch ohne sprengstoff kann es eine verschwörung gegeben haben...

sowas aus deinem Munde? Das ich das noch erleben durfte ;)

Auch wenn du es nicht so gemeint hast, genau, lasst uns nur nebenbei über Fahrstühle und Explosionen reden, das sind Nebenschauplätze. Die wirkliche Verschwörung hat viel größere Ausmaße. Schaut Euch an, welch Inzucht in Amerika da immer um den Präsidentenstuhl buhlt und wer das steuert. (und Inzucht ist nicht als Schimpfwort zu verstehen)
Spätestens wenn die große Pleite, Hunger und Chaos auch in Amrika ausbricht wirds eh rauskommen, die Jungs haben längst die Kontrolle verloren.

Huch, jetzt hab ich aber etwas übertrieben. na ja...

es war mir schon ernst. :|

Mein Gefühl sagt mir, Sator will mit uns was besprechen ;)
Na dann mal los Sator, teile mit uns deine Gedanken

Ich find das Pentagon viel interessanter als die Türme.
Wie wärs denn mal Explosionen im Pentagon.
April Gallup hatte ihren 1. Arbeitstag nach Babypause im Pentagon. Ihr Zimmer im E-Ring lag ca. 10m vom Einschlagsort entfernt und aus eben diesem krabbelte Sie auch nach draussen.
Die Explosionen stoppte ihre und etliche andere Uhren um 9:31-9:32 Uhr- das sind 5 Minuten vor dem Flugzeug.
Und was hat sie gesehen, was auf ein Flugzeug hindeuten würde? Nichts! und bei dieser Aussage bleibt sie auch, obwohl einige Ihr erklärten, sie solle doch das Flugzeug erwähnen.

Hier die Kurzform im Videointerview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88JQL4esHFg (Video: April Gallup - Was there a bomb in the Pentagon?)
und die lange Version in einer Radiosendung: http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=25953

Auch der CNN Korrespondent ist interessant:
9-11-2001 "There's no evidence of a plane crashing anywhere near the Pentagon..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjlBpChvzD8

2006 "...there really is no question that American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon..." "I saw the wreckage myself, I photographed parts of it..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV1OAKmmQLc

Link: forums.randi.org (extern)

>>On the morning of Sept. 11, 2005, New York City auxiliary fire lieutenant Paul Isaac Jr. asserted, yet again, that 9-11 was an inside job. “I know 9-11 was an inside job. The police know it’s an inside job; and the firemen know it too,” said Isaac.
Also, Isaac directly addressed a gag order that has been placed on firemen and police officers in New York.
“It’s amazing how many people are afraid to talk for fear of retaliation or losing their jobs,” said Isaac, regarding the FBI gag order placed on law enforcement and fire department officials, preventing them from openly talking about any inside knowledge of 9-11. <<

Ahem, Paul Isaac Jr. AKA Sentinel im Jref-Subforum Conspiracy vom 14 August 2006, bzw eine Email von ihm an Mark Roberts, mit seiner Erlaubnis veröffentlicht.

Hello Mark,

If its the wingtv article its ********. They slandered me last year when I read them the riot act about their behavior.

The article" Fireman admits again 9-11 was an inside job" is slander.

The article written by randy lavello is also slander as he has me saying that woolsey former CIA Director Woolsey was passing a gag order down the rank and file of the FDNY. That statement was never made in that context, It was said in humor ,and as a matter of fact that so-called reporter was fired by Alex Jones for making **** up on alot of people. The only reason I didn't go through the legal channels is because lawyers cost to damn much.

So the true statement was the that I heard Explosions not bombs as I couldn't tell what the sounds were as I was blocks away and can not confirm what the noise was. As I was aproaching City Hall the North Tower began the collapse I heard what sounded like thunder just prior to the collapse then the Popping as the tower fell. I had my radio scanner and there were reports of explsions within the conplex over the PD and PAPD frequencies. As I made my way closer I could pick up on the FD Handie Talkie frequencies and it sounded like hell. No one new what the was going to happen next but when the second tower began its fall there were what sounded like loud popping coming from the tower as well as a sucking sound like reveres air pressure.

Its seems the people at 911Truth have some problems with credibility as I had approached them on this issue for clarification. No need to say they never returned my messages.

They are tools of the trade.

Take care
Paul

@FrankyGER

Ich würde dir dringend Anraten deine Quellen zu überprüfen, sie bedienen sich offensichtlich der Falschaussage und Zitatmanupilation.

mfg

Danke für die eMail von Paul (Link http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=61418)

Scheint ne ziemlich komische Type zu sein, dieser Paul.
Ok, er glaubt nach wie vor an einen inside job, glaubt aber nicht an Bomben bei den vielen Explosionen und berichtigt, dass der CIA Director keinen Maulkorb verpasst hat.
Man kann nicht immer alles sofort überprüfen, zumal jref auch nicht grade die beste Quelle ist.

Mein Gefühl sagt mir, Sator will mit uns was besprechen

will ich?

wenn ich wollte, wenn ich würde, ich würde sowieso blos wiederholen, was zu genüge geschrieben steht.

FrankyGER schrieb:Scheint ne ziemlich komische Type zu sein, dieser Paul.
Ok, er glaubt nach wie vor an einen inside job, glaubt aber nicht an Bomben bei den vielen Explosionen und berichtigt, dass der CIA Director keinen Maulkorb verpasst hat.
Man kann nicht immer alles sofort überprüfen, zumal jref auch nicht grade die beste Quelle ist.

Deine "Einschätzung" ist falsch und beruft sich wahrscheinlich auf Wunschdenken.
Isaac glaubt mitnichten an einen Insidejob, sowie wie 99% aller "First-Responder", de facto ist McPhadden der einzige davon der sich dem TM andient.

Allein bei den letzten beiden "Anniversary`s" mussten Inside-Job-Querulanten von der Polizei Wegeskortiert werden damit sie nicht in die wartenden Arme der zutiefst erzürnten Fdny und MET liefen....der "they were paid off"-Stachel sitzt tief bei dennen die ihre Kameraden, Freunde und Familienmitglieder haben sterben sehen......A. Jones und Averys Glanzstück meiner bescheidenen Meinung nach.

Und ja, ich bevorzuge lieber die Ausführungen Ryan Mackeys (Nasa-Physiker), Azcat (Archtitekt), Lashl (Jurist) um nur ein paar Namen zu nennen, die wenigstens in Ihrem Fachgebiet Auskunft bieten und nicht versuchen mit ihren Titeln in Artfremden Gebieten zu brillieren....das ist eben das Crux in der TM.

Nun, jeden das seine aber ich würde Org. wie P4T ohne einen einzigen aktiv sich beteiligten Berufspiloten (nach dem Rauswurf Billzilla`s / William Sherwood durch Ober"Piloten" Jdx/ Balsamo, der durch erstgenannten gehörig durch die Flugwissen-Mangel gedreht wurde, darf sich neuerdings jeder als Pilot fühlen...hauptsache der Trafic stimmt) nur mit ganz dicken Handschuhen anpacken...aber wie gesagt, jedem das seine.

mfg

Hi,
du scheinst dich erheblich besser auszukennen als ich, die Namen und Abkürzungen sagen mir meistens nix, deshalb halt ich mich besser zurück.

Ich halte Paul auch nicht für so wichtig, mir dazu seitenweise jref reinzuziehen. Natürlich gibt es auf der Pro Regierungsseite mehr namhafte oder fachlich relevante Leute. 99% haben keinen Bock sich die Finger zu verbrennen.

99% aller Firstresponder ist aber genauso Wunschdenken von Dir. Pro und Contra sind immer so extrem auseinander, obwohl die Wahrheit vielleicht in der Mitte liegt.

Was du mir aber nochmal näher erklären könntest, warum so wie bei Paul nicht die Wahrheit das wichtigste ist, sondern die Trauer und der Respekt vor den Opfern diesen Tages?
Es gibt Hinterbliebene, die lautstark nach neuen Untersuchungen rufen, die möchten, das in der Regierung einige zur Rechenschaft gezogen werden, weil sie genau das den Opfern schuldig sind.
Angeblich soll es Angehörige von Opfern geben, die sich gegen Abfindung sogar verpflichtet haben keine Ansprüche mehr zu stellen und den Mund zu halten. Aber auch das habe ich nicht überprüft, wahrscheinlich nur ne Ente.

Ich finds hier ein bisschen staubig und trocken. Hier muss mal was richtig Verschwörerisches rein
Hier ein paar aktuelle email brocken aus einem anderen Forum (P4T). Ein ehemaliger CIA Agent oder ein Desinformant der Regierung oder ein 17 jähriger mit Langeweile und ADS??? Es mag Müll sein, aber interessanter Müll ;)

Re: CIA May 08, 2008
I HAVE SAID PLENTY. 3 FRIENDS, FORMER CO-WORKERS, WERE MURDERED IN SEPARATE INCIDENTS THIS MONTH FOR SPEAKING OUT ABOUT 911. JAMES W. 'BUTCH' OLIVER WAS MURDERED 25MARCH2003, IN MEDELLIN, COLOMBIA FOR SPEAKING OUT. 'BUTCH' WAS A CIA DRUG IMPORTATION PILOT FROM GRIFFIN, GEORGIA.(HE IS A SECRET 'STAR ON THE WALL' AT CIA HQ) 'BUTCH' HAD WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A 'PRIVATE' C-130 HERCULES, WHICH HE FLEW LOADED FROM COLOMBIA TO GEORGIA TWICE A WEEK. MYSELF AND AGENT WAYNE DANIELS (COPPERHILL, TENN.), FLEW $25 MILLION IN HUNDREDS TO BANCO NACIONAL, PANAMA CITY, PANAMA TWICE A WEEK.WAYNE USED TO OPERATE 'SWD' AND 'RPB', MANUFACTURERS OF MAC-10 AND MAC-11 SUB-MACHINE GUNS AND 'SILENCERS' FOR CIA AND CIVILIAN USE. 911 WAS DONE BY THE GOVERNMENT, JUST LIKE OKLAHOMA CITY---ERIC RUDOLPH WAS WORKING UNDER DIRECT ORDERS FROM G-2 (ARMY INTEL), WHEN HE DID THE BOMBINGS. EVERYTHING REGARDING 'TERRORISM' IS FABRICATED BULLSHIT DESIGNED TO DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION AND BRING ABOUT A ONE -WORLD GOVT...WE'LL TELL THEM ''THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HAVE PEACE IS TO HAVE A SINGLE WORLD GOVT AND ONLY ONE RELIGION''----PROPAGANDA FROM HENRY KISSINGER, HEAD OF PLANNING FOR THE GLOBALISTS RUNNING AMERICA AND MOST OF THE WORLD......I HAVE LIVED LIKE A HERMIT FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS OUT OF FEAR FOR MY LIFE...MY OPERATION WAS CALLED 'SIONICS POWDER SPRINGS', ORIGINALLY UNDER COMMAND OF CIA GENERAL MITCHELL WER BELL3 AND ARMY GENERAL SINGLAUB....BEST WISHES AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU.




Re: CIA May 08, 2008
Yes, the planes were remotely guided. The technology was first demonstrated on aircraft in 1917, Nikola Tesla had built and demonstrated a radio controlled boat in the 1890's.....Passengers on the aircraft had been gassed shortly after take off- they could not make calls, they were dead. A wold government is in the works. The war with Iran, Khazakstan, and Noth Korea is tentatively planned to begin on 4SEPT08. Prior to that, expect the govt to detonate a nuke and blame it on the three countries mentioned. Tukey may also be attacked. The Retired Admiral drawing the war plans is code named 'MERLIN'. He works directly with DICK CHENEY, HENRY KISSINGER, DAVID ROCKEFELLER, THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION, THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION, AND OTHERS. Please spread the word. GOD BLESS YOU...MORE LATER.



Re: CIA May 08, 2008
Not sure where the nuke will be detonated by the government, that info is VERY closely held. My guess would be near oil fields in Texas or Louisiana. Iran is innocent of attempting to build a nuke, their only crime is having vast oil reserves. Khazakstan has the biggest untapped oil reserves in the world (obvious target). North Korea is the only real danger to us. They hit Alaska with a non-warhead equipped missile several years ago just to show us they could. We have a nuclear sub with 250+ nuke warheads parked near Japan ready to strike North Korea. Objective of this war is to choke-off China's oil supplies, making it too costly for them to continue being the world's manufacturing center. Manufacturing will be moved to the Southern Mexican end of a new mega highway being built from Mexico to Canada. That is the reason the highway is being constructed. This plan has been in the works for several years. If you have not seen the highway plans, look online, they should be posted. USA, Mexico, and Canada will soon become one country. This war plan could well start WW3, but the idiots in charge could care less. We have over 200 underground military bases in use right now. They tell the new military recruits ''it's so the satellites can't see us''. Many of the bases are located on U.S. Army Corps of Engineers reservoir sites. The lake water is used for cooling the bases and the outflow is for generating electricity. There are 'package' nuclear powered generators the size of a car for emergencies. They produce enough electricity to light a city of 250,000 persons. Many of the rumored 'unmarked black helicopters' are stored underground. They can generally be seen in use during daylight hours near the aforementioned bases. Sorry, someone just walked in and he's staring me down, gotta go for now. GOD BLESS YOU! GOD SAVE THE CONSTITUTION AND FREEDOM!


Re: CIA May 08, 2008
The one-world government people know this country will cease to exist after WW3. A 'continuity of government' plan is in place, they understand how tragic it would be if the mail could not be delivered during/after the war (LOL). Imagine a mail carrier doing his route in a radiation suit. We have prison camps literally EVERYWHERE for those who MIGHT not cooperate with martial law orders (ME). You should see the MASSIVE crematoriums ! The government has some bases 10,000' underground, which have tunnel boring machines inside them so a year after the beginning of WW3, they can dig out and launch missiles at enemy countries- like there would still be anything worth fighting for. Submarine supply and re-armament bases are located far underneath the seas. They could remain submerged almost indefinitely.


when asked about DC madam...this is what he wrote me:

Re: CIA May 08, 2008
She serviced many Washington politicians (the FEW straight ones), I know nothing, but i'm sure she was murdered. Here's Dick Cheney's cell number, ask him 307 851 1011.

Re: CIA May 08, 2008
might be better to call the bohemian club, most crooks belong to it...415 885 2440... don't really call, you'll get in trouble


Re: CIA May 08, 2008
Towers were demolished with thermite and micro nuclear devices. 7 was thermite/conventional. Tests should reveal abnormally high concentrations of radioactive Tritium residue from nukes. Tritium is a radioactive gas pumped into nukes to make them more powerful. Flight 93 landed, it was loaded with government agents-where it landed, I'm not certain. One of Warren Buffet's repainted 'Net Jets' flew very low at, or very near, supersonic speed over the 'crash site' to simulate a commercial airliner. The craft would only be visible for a very short distance at such a low altitude and high speed. It would not have been recognizable under the given conditions. Shockwave at the low altitude caused damage to homes (broken glass, etc.). Most 'debris' was planted well before 9/11 and explosives were detonated to damage nearby homes and simulate the sound of a plane crashing. Some debris was simultaneously dropped from high altitudes by military aircraft. Controlled Demolition, Incorporated did the 911 and Oklahoma City demolitions. They were paid off through the $HUGELY$ overpaid contracts for cleaning up the sites. PHONE #'S ARE REAL, PLEASE DON'T PLAY WITH THEM, sorry, bad thing I did.


Re: CIA May 09, 2008
9/11 was a complicated operation. Pentagon, I believe, was hit by an old fighter jet remotely flown and painted to look like a commercial flight. The Pentagon is SURROUNDED by HUNDREDS of auto-launch defensive missiles. Someone had to manually switch off the 'incoming friend or foe' ('IFF') system, or the craft would have needed a 'friendly' radio signal transmitter to prevent being blown to pieces LONG before reaching the building. 'IFF' transmitters are NEVER, EVER installed on civilian aircraft. 'Passenger manifest' for the Pentagon hit was 100% fabricated. There were 'scrap', expired (supposedly listed as previously 'destroyed') military explosives used also, thus the reports of an odor of 'cordite' immediately afterward by combat experienced personnel were correct. Verification of identity or presence of persons on the WTC aircraft, if any did board, are not known to me, they could be real or fabricated. Just as Eric Rudolph and Tim Mc Veigh volunteered to sacrifice their lives in furtherance of military objectives, I cannot fathom a rational, whole-minded person actually allowing himself to be 'used up' in such an operation. See ''Doctor Jolyon West, M.D.'', for info on C.I.A./military mind control methods

Re: CIA May 09, 2008
I live somewhere near CNN HQ, Atlanta, Georgia. Been there, verified myself, and never heard a word. Same with WSB radio and local Cox Broadcasting affiliates, etc., etc. In 2004, I was arrested (dragged outside into the parking lot totally naked and dripping wet from the shower at my health club by Homeland Security) (SHOULD be called 'Homeland Paranoia') on 'undisclosed and sealed' charges 'related to terrorism', said charges were not revealed to me, and was held in solitary confinement and ALLOWED NO COMMUNICATION (by phone, mail, or in person) WITH ANYONE, including legal counsel and family, FOR ALMOST FIVE MONTHS, solely for attempting to speak out on 9/11. There was NO RECORD of me being held in the jail at the time, my family thought I had disappeared ! I HAD CEASED TO EXIST ! The ONLY thing that saved me was a group of civil rights attorneys being alerted to the situation by someone else who had been released from the same facility. Spoke about 5 minutes on the Derry Brown radio show immediately following my release (as ''John from Georgia''). Been in deep hiding ever since, but guess that's blown now. Some info I'm trying to send you is being totally blocked. I'm upsetting someone. Whatever you want to know, ask now, as I am becoming frightened by the thought of being killed or 'disappeared' by the U.S. Government. This communication is DANGEROUS for me, PLEASE spread the info you have received as quickly as possible. GOD BLESS YOU !!!


Re: CIA May 09, 2008
'Passengers' were government employees under fictitious names. Government claims of 'identifying passengers by DNA' are lies. Local Coroner admitted he found no human remains- UNTIL Federal 'officials' arrived to 'assist' him. 93 landed somewhere in Ohio and was hidden for a time in a NASA hangar, it MAY still be in use. Records of all Boeing civilian aircraft from construction to ultimate disposal are on file at Boeing and the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, but I would bet all the records for 9/11 aircraft are 'missing' or 'only available to Boeing or the current owner of the equipment'--'for security reasons'. FAA accident reports, if not 'doctored', could possibly shed light on 9/11. The ability to remotely take control of hijacked U.S. built aircraft has been in place since the L-1011 was introduced. The cabins were hardened against intrusion at around the same time, in response to the almost daily hijackings to Cuba occurring then.


Re: 9/11
Date: May 09, 2008
Message: 'Family mourning' ?? Governments have ways of creating what SEEM to be 'families'. Some of the alleged 'dead' may have wanted to vanish and go into deep cover, where no one knows them. Similar to the 'witness protection program', only much more secretive. MANY people that I worked with were declared 'dead in action, remains unrecoverable' and were in reality alive and had simply been sent to work in faraway areas under very deep cover. Quite a few have chosen to leave the family and their old life behind forever. One of the first things government intelligence agents learn is 'method acting'. Top secret paid acts such as 'mourning', can carry on publicly and very convincingly for decades. Trying to speak out on 9/11 issues generally causes immediate ridicule, thus eventually silencing the bearer of inside information. Worse than ridicule is the fear of being 'discredited', a code word meaning 'murdered' by government assassins. Squads work the streets of USA daily. See, 'Gryphon Group Security Solutions, Inc.', go to 'clandestine weapons course'...they only train government employees. 'clandestine weapons' course is for training government assassins to kill everyday citizens, which is done every day.

rubbish...

och, schade ;)

@all

Eigentlich diskutiere ich im Mystery-Forum den "Mordfall Hinterkaifeck" - doch weil sich die dortige Diskussion im Moment etwas im Kreis dreht, habe ich einmal an eine Frage an die 9/11-Verschwörungstheoretiker, die mir schon lange im Kopf herumgeht.

Wenn kein Flugzeug ins Pentagon geflogen ist, sondern eine Rakete, frage ich mich, wo dieses Flugzeug (mitsamt seinen Passagieren) sein soll?

Ich nehme an, daß dieser Punkt hier schon oft diskutiert worden ist und gebe mich deshalb mit einer kurzen Antwort zufrieden! Besten Dank.

Keiner Antwortet Dir?
Ich weiss es auch nicht, aber es interessiert mich auch nicht primär.
Tatsächlich ist es am einfachsten, wenn AA77 ins Pentagon eingetaucht ist.

Wenn sich aber aus irgendwelchen Theorien das Problem ergibt, dass AA77 eigentlich nicht dort eingeschlagen sein kann, weil z,B. die Flugbahn nicht stimmt, das Loch zu klein ist oder sich Zeugen finden lassen würden, die den "fly over" bestätigen würden, dann würde der Verbleib zwar aufgeklärt werden müssen, es wäre aber nicht Bestandteil des Beweises für einen "inside job".

Es spielt erstmal keine Rolle ob die Maschine in einem Hangar steht oder im Atlantik versenkt wurde. Die Passagiere sind auf jeden Fall tot, auf welche Weise auch immer.

Wenn kein Flugzeug ins Pentagon geflogen ist, sondern eine Rakete, frage ich mich, wo dieses Flugzeug (mitsamt seinen Passagieren) sein soll?


Das Flugzeug wurde is Meer ge-crashed ist doch klar. *zzz*

DantesPrayer,

Klar? Wodurch ist Dir das "so klar"?
Gibt es Wrack-/ Trümmerteile?

Spekulation? (dann dürfte es aber doch nicht "klar" sein...)

Man muss die Maschine ja nicht im Atlantik crashen, man kann auch sanft landen und auf paar tausend Meter runterblubbern lassen.
Für mich wäre aber ein Versenken zu unvorsichtig. Könnte ja doch ein Koffer rumtreiben oder nem russischen U-Boot auf den Kopf fallen.
Eher in nen Hangar damit und verschrotten.

FrankyGER,


ist das Verschwinden/ Versenken eines Flugzeugs eine Idee von Dir, oder gibt es dafür ernsthafte Anhaltspunkte?

@FrankyGER

Ein ehemaliger CIA Agent oder ein Desinformant der Regierung oder ein 17 jähriger mit Langeweile und ADS???

"attention whores", solche pflunzen wie kevin mcphadden und alex jones, denen nichts zu schade ist, hauptsache sie können auf den putz hauen und haben ihre 15+ minuten ruhm.


rubbish...

och, schade

ja, tut ma scho leid, aber bei sowas...

Re: CIA May 09, 2008
9/11 was a complicated operation. Pentagon, I believe, was hit by an old fighter jet remotely flown and painted to look like a commercial flight. The Pentagon is SURROUNDED by HUNDREDS of auto-launch defensive missiles. Someone had to manually switch off the 'incoming friend or foe' ('IFF') system, or the craft would have needed a 'friendly' radio signal transmitter to prevent being blown to pieces LONG before reaching the building...

man gibt sich anscheinend nicht mal mehr die mühe, seinen grips anzustrengen und was neues einfallen zu lassen und die leute anständig durchdacht hinters licht zu führen.